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So I discovered just today that one of my cousins is a racist pig headed douche. I havnt talked to him in about 9 years really, but we were close friends when we were teenagers. Anywho, my brother the Giant was telling me about some really ignorant posts he had made on facebook about the current state of the world. A couple of his posts grabbed my attention pretty hard and then made me laugh at just how stupid and ill informed my cousin really is. In the first post he was yammering on about how he cant stand Mexicans and how they are stealing American jobs and stealing our country and he then said
(Ill spoiler this because its fairly bad)


Followed by his next post where he was then complaining about how he "hates" people that brag about how many MPG their "foreign" cars get. He says F them all, he will rather keep his Chevy Avalanche, a REAL American made vehicle. This is where I started laughing my ass off at just how dumb he has become. So I replied on his facebook with some links to websites showing percentages and such on just how "American" American cars really are. AND how America makes MANY foreign cars here. Then, saving the best for last, showed him how his beloved American made Avalanche is actually assembled in a factory in Mexico, making his previous racist statement all the more awesome.



There....I really needed to vent. Cant stand people that are blatantly ignorant. If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

I can only thing of one person I've know in real life that was really racist or at least open and talked about it. He was a real arse overall though and the racism was really just the cherry. He eventually stopped coming to the FLGS after he was booted from a 40k tournament for cheating.

I know someone whose that racist, just had his child takin by Protective Services so in an odd way, Karma?

HaHa, KingCracker sticks it to the Man AKA his cousin.

KingCracker wrote:Followed by his next post where he was then complaining about how he "hates" people that brag about how many MPG their "foreign" cars get. He says F them all, he will rather keep his Chevy Avalanche, a REAL American made vehicle. This is where I started laughing my ass off at just how dumb he has become. So I replied on his facebook with some links to websites showing percentages and such on just how "American" American cars really are. AND how America makes MANY foreign cars here. Then, saving the best for last, showed him how his beloved American made Avalanche is actually assembled in a factory in Mexico, making his previous racist statement all the more awesome.



There....I really needed to vent. Cant stand people that are blatantly ignorant. If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

The car thing has always been a sore point for me. I got lots of coworkers and friends who love to drum up the "buy American" bandwagon and even if you talk to them about how their "American cars" are made in Mexico they still continue on about "but you support an American business!" ...

I usually tell them that I have two personal criteria when it comes to buying "American"

1) I will not buy a vehicle just because it is "American". Build a quality product and I will support you, not because of blind patriotic loyalty.
2) If I have to choose between an American company sending jobs out of the country, or a foreign company hiring American workers...then I will always support the American workers as long as condition #1 is met.

If you want, since he's your cousin and you were good friends, maybe you should talk to him about it? It's quite possible he just doesn't know any better or hasn't really thought much about the things he was posting. I mean, obviously it's your call, but maybe you could be a good influence on him?

This isn't on you KC, and I'm not trying to single you out here, but it seems that a lot of people (on Dakka and elsewhere) are really happy to point out how ignorant racists are (and they are, I'm not disputing that at all), but it seems most people just kind of pat themselves on the back for recognizing that racism is bad and racists are ignorant but few people actually try to engage someone who makes racist comments in a calm discussion to try to educate them a bit and maybe reduce the problem. I realize this won't always work, and there are certainly hardcore racists who belong to hate groups and stuff, as well as older people who probably aren't going to change, but it seems like there are a lot more people who are, for lack of a better term, "casually" racist or say things that are racist without even really realizing the gravity of it who could probably benefit from a reasonable discussion instead of just calling them ignorant racists and leaving it at that. That's usually not going to make the situation any better, and if anything it'll likely only make it worse, potentially encouraging someone to cling even harder to racist views that they might not have been so attached to originally. Calling someone an ignorant racist bigot because it makes you feel righteous isn't going to do anything to challenge their racist views, but engaging them in a respectful dialogue and having a discussion about it might.

Again, I'm not talking about you or your cousin specifically here KC, it's just an observation I've made after reading quite a few threads where the issue of racism comes up.

Its surprising how you can realise people y'know really are.
My friend i realized is completely prudish, to the point where my christian values mother said he was too prudish and has no fun.
I also realized my cousin in a conservative, not the nice "I think differently and respect you are your life" kind but the one who thinks that everyone should be forced to think the way you do.

Hordini wrote:If you want, since he's your cousin and you were good friends, maybe you should talk to him about it? It's quite possible he just doesn't know any better or hasn't really thought much about the things he was posting. I mean, obviously it's your call, but maybe you could be a good influence on him.

There is no fix for stupid. I have tried to talk to people about this before. All you do is alienate yourself from them even further. You find friendly gatherings uncomfortable when people starting spewing bs like KC's cousin. Then you start distancing yourself from them and when they call you out, you become weird and stuck up because you have different views.

In the end you stay away from them all the same.

I've learned to not take racial issues seriously; it's a big world and theirs many ways to live in it, not just my way.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Hordini wrote:If you want, since he's your cousin and you were good friends, maybe you should talk to him about it? It's quite possible he just doesn't know any better or hasn't really thought much about the things he was posting. I mean, obviously it's your call, but maybe you could be a good influence on him.

There is no fix for stupid. I have tried to talk to people about this before. All you do is alienate yourself from them even further. You find friendly gatherings uncomfortable when people starting spewing bs like KC's cousin. Then you start distancing yourself from them and when they call you out, you become weird and stuck up because you have different views.

In the end you stay away from them all the same.

You're right that there's no fix for stupid, but the point is sometimes people aren't stupid, just ignorant or inexperienced or they grew up somewhere without a lot of racial diversity. Some of those people have just never been challenged about racism or haven't really put much thought into it. Sometimes people say things and don't even realize others consider it racist. You'll never find out which it is though if you just antagonize them, call them racists and give your buddies a round of high-fives for pointing out they made a racist comment.

I'm not saying it's the easy thing to do, but sometimes it's worth doing.

Not to mention a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, etc are actually produced IN the US. calling them foreign made is a little silly.

I'm in a similar boat to KC. My uncle, who I was always really close to has always been rather racist, but to my young ears I never heard it, or realized what was being said. Then I grew up and married an Arab woman... well after almost 10 years we're talking again
and there's no cure for stupid. What you call 'casually racist' is usually just lazyness. For the most part trying to educate them only causes friction. Trust me, I always try in the futile hope that they'll grow the feth up and pull their head out of their asses. Considering how mixed blood my family is, it's truly surprising to me.

CoI wrote:I'm in a similar boat to KC. My uncle, who I was always really close to has always been rather racist, but to my young ears I never heard it, or realized what was being said. Then I grew up and married an Arab woman... well after almost 10 years we're talking again

Wow.... wish my wife wouldn't talk to me for 10 years.

KingCracker wrote:If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

If people were well informed, then people wouldn't be racists... just sayin...

Racism is Australia is a very, very different thing...

d-usa wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Followed by his next post where he was then complaining about how he "hates" people that brag about how many MPG their "foreign" cars get. He says F them all, he will rather keep his Chevy Avalanche, a REAL American made vehicle. This is where I started laughing my ass off at just how dumb he has become. So I replied on his facebook with some links to websites showing percentages and such on just how "American" American cars really are. AND how America makes MANY foreign cars here. Then, saving the best for last, showed him how his beloved American made Avalanche is actually assembled in a factory in Mexico, making his previous racist statement all the more awesome.



There....I really needed to vent. Cant stand people that are blatantly ignorant. If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

The car thing has always been a sore point for me. I got lots of coworkers and friends who love to drum up the "buy American" bandwagon and even if you talk to them about how their "American cars" are made in Mexico they still continue on about "but you support an American business!" ...

I usually tell them that I have two personal criteria when it comes to buying "American"

1) I will not buy a vehicle just because it is "American". Build a quality product and I will support you, not because of blind patriotic loyalty.
2) If I have to choose between an American company sending jobs out of the country, or a foreign company hiring American workers...then I will always support the American workers as long as condition #1 is met.

Indeed. My Honda (now the Boy's that lucky bastard) had way higher content than the Ford Taurus. Plus Toyota, Honda, and Nissan plants are primarily in the South. Take that Yankees!

I really, REALLY hate racists, almost as much as I hate homophobes.

The "BUY AMERICAN!" thing pisses me off beyond belief (I know, I'm British so I can't really comment) as indeed does any variation on saying we must buy something just because it's from our home country. Heck, the Reliant Robin is a British car, but I'd still rather buy a Honda Civic.

The other thing that really annoys me is when people say that when a person of a particular race does something illegal, cruel or otherwise objectionable, that they did it because they are of a particular race. Chinese guy steals a car? Someone says it's because the Chinese are naturally lawless and immoral. Black guy beats up his wife? Someone says it's because black people are inherently misogynistic and violent. It really gets my goat.

/rant.

I hate racists almost as much as I hate people who gang rape teenage girls.

LordofHats wrote:Not to mention a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, etc are actually produced IN the US. calling them foreign made is a little silly.

Yeah, my Civic was made in Ohio.

LordofHats wrote:Not to mention a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, etc are actually produced IN the US. calling them foreign made is a little silly.

Yep. Lots of American jobs are from their assembly. Unlike a number of GM plants that have moved to Mexico and elsewhere.

Well I cant actually try to talk to my cousin about hos stupid he sounds, my brother the Giant tried many times, all he responds back with is "You just dont understand how it is here!" He lives a few states south currently but is moving back to Michigan. Thats his argument, whenever you try to show him the errors of his ways, thats his awesomely potent rebuttal, you just dont understand! So I come back with, well explain it to me then why you feel the need to spam feth facebook with your incredibly insightful BS, because if you were to ask me, it sounds like your just trying to sound like a tough guy on the internet. Again, Well I cant you just wont understand

So yes, I cant tell if he met a couple new people down there and is trying to impress them with his awesomeness, or what, but you can easily tell that hes one of those that hears a little of someone ranting away, liked the reactions they were getting and so follows suit, without a friggin clue as to what he is actually saying.

Twice, twice the facepalm. And yes, racists CAN be well informed, I used to have a buddy that his only real flaw, was he was a serious racist against African Americans. The guy was smart, and was so good at debating that he could ALMOST convince you it was a good idea Like I said, if your going to flaunt your ideals so others can hear you, whatever those ideals may be, please for the love of God, know WTF your talking about.


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kronk wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Not to mention a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, etc are actually produced IN the US. calling them foreign made is a little silly.

Yep. Lots of American jobs are from their assembly. Unlike a number of GM plants that have moved to Mexico and elsewhere.

Yep, I live in Michigan man, I can tell ya, this states auto industry dried up something fierce in the last 10ish years

See, this is why you should all become british: No-one buys british because everyone knows it'll fall apart after a few seconds. In fact the only british stuff I can remember buying was some strawberries so that they hadn't been bashed up while being imported. I still come across friends at school who tell me that, and I quote word for word, "we should hate kenyans because they all hate us." I didn't know whether to laugh or kill him, because he was being deadly serious.


In fact, now I think about it, I needed to vent as well. Thanks for the great thread. It'd be even greater if it hadn't been created by someone with green skin of course

Great, we got ourselves a green skin hater, Im so mod alerting you


Dont feel bad, Im sure this wont surprise you, but in America, we get that type of hate ALL THE TIME! Its partially why I feel for the Muslim community that is here. "Well those Iraqis hate us, lets hate them right back!!!" Uhm......really? Did you think...at all before spilling those words out?

p_gray99 wrote:See, this is why you should all become british: No-one buys british because everyone knows it'll fall apart after a few seconds. In fact the only british stuff I can remember buying was some strawberries so that they hadn't been bashed up while being imported. I still come across friends at school who tell me that, and I quote word for word, "we should hate kenyans because they all hate us." I didn't know whether to laugh or kill him, because he was being deadly serious.


In fact, now I think about it, I needed to vent as well. Thanks for the great thread. It'd be even greater if it hadn't been created by someone with green skin of course

The only reason I don't buy British is because you guys have the habbit of making everything incredibly expensive and / or work backwards from "normal" folks.

If I had the money for it I would jump into a Aston Martin DB 9 tomorrow. And the wife is slowly convincing me to buy her the new Range Rover Evoque.

Out of curiosity, what state does your cousin live in?

Race relations are very different in the South. People are much less homogenized which lends to the "Us vs. Them" aspect of Racism. There's also a greater illegal alien issue in some states which sounds like your cousins issue. Albeit really poorly stated, it is an issue.

The car thing is just rampant ignorance. It is also more Nationalism than Racism.

Ok, some of the British top-end cars are alright. But other than them and strawberries, just don't bother.

KingCracker wrote:A couple of his posts grabbed my attention pretty hard and then made me laugh at just how stupid and ill informed my cousin really is. In the first post he was yammering on about how he cant stand Mexicans and how they are stealing American jobs and stealing our country

Frazz is your cousin?

PhantomViper wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:See, this is why you should all become british: No-one buys british because everyone knows it'll fall apart after a few seconds. In fact the only british stuff I can remember buying was some strawberries so that they hadn't been bashed up while being imported. I still come across friends at school who tell me that, and I quote word for word, "we should hate kenyans because they all hate us." I didn't know whether to laugh or kill him, because he was being deadly serious.


In fact, now I think about it, I needed to vent as well. Thanks for the great thread. It'd be even greater if it hadn't been created by someone with green skin of course

The only reason I don't buy British is because you guys have the habbit of making everything incredibly expensive and / or work backwards from "normal" folks.

If I had the money for it I would jump into a Aston Martin DB 9 tomorrow. And the wife is slowly convincing me to buy her the new Range Rover Evoque.

We do the real expensive stuff quite well, Saville Row, Rolls Royce, Bently, Aston Martin etc. It's the likes of Rover and Austin that were a pile of gak, there's one story of a Rover that left the factory and had a lump in the boot, turned out to be a packet of cigarettes under the paint that had been left there when the car was sprayed.

KingCracker wrote:So I discovered just today that one of my cousins is a racist pig headed douche. I havnt talked to him in about 9 years really, but we were close friends when we were teenagers. Anywho, my brother the Giant was telling me about some really ignorant posts he had made on facebook about the current state of the world. A couple of his posts grabbed my attention pretty hard and then made me laugh at just how stupid and ill informed my cousin really is. In the first post he was yammering on about how he cant stand Mexicans and how they are stealing American jobs and stealing our country and he then said
(Ill spoiler this because its fairly bad)

Spoiler:

I wish those fething *racist slur for Mexicans* mamas would just stop pumping out babies

Followed by his next post where he was then complaining about how he "hates" people that brag about how many MPG their "foreign" cars get. He says F them all, he will rather keep his Chevy Avalanche, a REAL American made vehicle. This is where I started laughing my ass off at just how dumb he has become. So I replied on his facebook with some links to websites showing percentages and such on just how "American" American cars really are. AND how America makes MANY foreign cars here. Then, saving the best for last, showed him how his beloved American made Avalanche is actually assembled in a factory in Mexico, making his previous racist statement all the more awesome.



There....I really needed to vent. Cant stand people that are blatantly ignorant. If your going to be a racist, yanno what, thats on you, at least be a well informed racist would ya?

Trouble is KC a lot of people are afraid for genuine reasons. Demographic changes resulting in massive societal changes are coming to America, at least its for good reasons. America has always been at least partly Hispanic, they have as much (or as little) right to be there as whitey.

This issue is not restricted to you, In fact there was an explosion of outrage after a former Labour minister blogged last week what some had suspected for years. The UK ran an open door immigration problem in order to change the demographic structure for party political ends. Vast numbers of eastern Europeans were invited in and given preferential treatment for employment, even to the extent that some companies openly employed only eastern Europeans in blatant disregard of the UK's equal opportunities policies. This even hit the mainstream press and the Brown government still did nothing, so much for their equality dogma. Those who bring Labour up on this are still shouted down as 'racist', they still try, but at least there is someone high up who was on the inside who points out that that was in fact deliberate policy. More non-English the population of England is the smaller the established English culture is, which is seen internally as favouring Tory.
This causes a lot of tension, yes jobs becomes restricted, yes such abominations like 'affirmative action' occur, and that is immoral. People want to complain and many end up racist, because concerns over demographic change are ignored.
Anyone who laughs off the 'threat should answer this: How well did it end up for the Native Americans, and what happened when they protested the changes.

I can to some extent sympathise for your cousin in the same way I sympathise with the Sioux and Apache who started attacking wagon trains. This isn't an easy moral black and white (sic) case, it just appears that way, and a lot of people are feeling trapped. Because noone mainstream has the courage to address demographic issues only the extremists do so, so people listen to the extremists.

Listen to your cousin and educate him. Its not the 'fault' of the Mexican immigrants of the breeding rate of the Hispanic population. And in the USA's case there is no direct justification for WASP dominance per se, its not inherently a white country. If Hispanics want to settle in Texas and California, well they have at the vest least as much reason to be there as any white man, and in all likelihood more.
On the other hand the problems that are coming are not just racist bile from your cousins head. Demograhpic changes cause strife especially if two subcultures breed at different rates. Fiji is an nasty demographic histrory lesson we should not forget.

Orlanth wrote:The UK ran an open door immigration problem in order to change the demographic structure for party political ends. Vast numbers of eastern Europeans were invited in and given preferential treatment for employment, even to the extent that some companies openly employed only eastern Europeans in blatant disregard of the UK's equal opportunities policies. This even hit the mainstream press and the Brown government still did nothing, so much for their equality dogma. Those who bring Labour up on this are still shouted down as 'racist', they still try, but at least there is someone high up who was on the inside who points out that that was in fact deliberate policy. More non-English the population of England is the smaller the established English culture is, which is seen internally as favouring Tory.

Britain allowed Europeans to work here. Just as we were allowed to work in Europe. That isn't an "open door" policy, it is a free market policy, which is inherently conservative, as is using cheaper immigrant labour. Companies employed Eastern Europeans because they believe, based on anecdotal evidence, that they have a stronger work ethic. As for the Labour party trying to make the population less English, that's BNP nonsense, Labour has massive support by the English, Welsh and Scots, and I think you may need to get yourself a tin foil hat.

It is obvious you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about, you carry on with such nonsense if you so wish, but please don't present what you've read in a BNP leaflet as fact.