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2012/08/21 16:11:05
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Red Viper wrote:There's probably diminishing returns on battle experience. A guy in his first battle vs a guy in his second, yeah big difference.
A guy who has been fighting for 10,000 vs a guy that has been fighting for 1,000? Probably not a big difference really.
Regardless, Abaddon takes this. Logan is a beast and among the best the imperium has, but Abaddon is a step above him.
Draigo vs Abaddon is more like it imo... but that's a whole 'nother thread.
Let Logan battle the likes of Kharn, Typhus, Lucius.
Draigo? Seriosly ? Hm would be interesting....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/21 18:11:11
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Logan could probably take Kharn. The battle against Typhus would depend on how much Typhus could bring his powers into play. Lucius? Logan is doomed either way.
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2012/08/21 19:54:01
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Omegus wrote:
Logan could probably take Kharn. The battle against Typhus would depend on how much Typhus could bring his powers into play. Lucius? Logan is doomed either way.
Ooo just to think how Logan would enjoyed killing Lucius ( add howling to that image ) - and then - puff -opening space in the chapter master chair
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/21 20:05:51
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
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2012/08/21 20:08:44
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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 FinalAnswer wrote:
Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
Is that you Ward?And we are talking about Abaddon vs Draigo...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/21 20:12:55
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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 DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote:
Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
Is that you Ward?And we are talking about Abaddon vs Draigo...
Hey, I'm not liking it lol, just that Draigo's superhero feats speak for themselves.
Abaddon wouldn't really be capable of fighting Draigo either, I mean, we ARE talking about a dude that has trolled the Warp so much that only the most crazy of Khorne's demons bother attacking him anymore.
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2012/08/21 20:16:00
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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FinalAnswer wrote: DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote:
Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
Is that you Ward?And we are talking about Abaddon vs Draigo...
Hey, I'm not liking it lol, just that Draigo's superhero feats speak for themselves.
Abaddon wouldn't really be capable of fighting Draigo either, I mean, we ARE talking about a dude that has trolled the Warp so much that only the most crazy of Khorne's demons bother attacking him anymore.
Dude now I don't know are you being sarcastic or serious and what is your stance on Draigo....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/21 20:21:54
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote: DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote:
Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
Is that you Ward?And we are talking about Abaddon vs Draigo...
Hey, I'm not liking it lol, just that Draigo's superhero feats speak for themselves.
Abaddon wouldn't really be capable of fighting Draigo either, I mean, we ARE talking about a dude that has trolled the Warp so much that only the most crazy of Khorne's demons bother attacking him anymore.
Dude now I don't know are you being sarcastic or serious and what is your stance on Draigo....
My stance on Draigo is that he is a cartoon mary sue superhero that shouldn't be used in comparison to other 40k characters because the way Ward wrote him makes him out to be so much stronger then most other 40k characters.
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2012/08/21 20:25:33
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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FinalAnswer wrote:
My stance on Draigo is that he is a cartoon mary sue superhero that shouldn't be used in comparison to other 40k characters because the way Ward wrote him makes him out to be so much stronger then most other 40k characters.
The FinalAnswer lives up to his name. 
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2012/08/21 20:28:05
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Red Viper wrote: FinalAnswer wrote:
My stance on Draigo is that he is a cartoon mary sue superhero that shouldn't be used in comparison to other 40k characters because the way Ward wrote him makes him out to be so much stronger then most other 40k characters.
The FinalAnswer lives up to his name.
Hear,hear!!!
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/21 20:30:23
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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 Marthike wrote:Obviously? any reason? is there any book I missed where it said logan and abaddon fought and abaddon one shotted logan....
i think you will not argue with me when I say a demon prince primarch is stronger than abaddon. When GK grandmasters are probably equal match with a demon prince primarch not always but 50/50 one dies another kills it. Then logan can kills one with a suprise attack but this grand master is trained to be super fast reaction like the book said that puts logan to be better than a GK grandmaster.
This means he might stand a chance with a demon prince primarch so surely is a match with abaddon.
Here I gave you a comparison instead of you just say abaddon is better with no reason.
Draigo is directly stated to be the most decorated Grey Knight in history save maybe the founder of their order, and is to date the only character who has ever beaten a Daemon Primarch one on one, let alone dominating one like Draigo did. Draigo is without doubt the most powerful Grey Knight, nay, the most powerful Space Marine, we have seen in action.
Draigo could beat Abaddon and Logan with the same amount of difficulty. Which is to say none at all.
Stop trying to use Draigo's feats to make Logan look good, it's sad.
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2012/08/21 20:48:13
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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As much as it pains me to say it. Draigo wins on fluff.
Yet only because his fluff was written by at best a stroppy hyperactive 12 year old... I wantz my generulz to be da bestest, he swims in the warp, beat up a primarch, nofing can touch him, he can eat stars and fart fireballs.... Yeah! Suck on that realism.
So yes Draigo wins, but the entire 40k universe is lessend because of it.
So with background like that I advocate the following.
'Grudgingly concede defeat in versus threads of anykind, personally disregard any and all fluff regarding him as detrimental to the background of the 40k universe, and finally round up a lynch mob for the stroppy hyperactive 12 year old'
Personally I hopw Ward gets the next ork dex so a grot can kill him in hand to hand combat with a rusty spork.
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2012/08/21 23:43:50
Subject: Re:Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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i think you will not argue with me when I say a demon prince primarch is stronger than abaddon. When GK grandmasters are probably equal match with a demon prince primarch not always but 50/50 one dies another kills it. Then logan can kills one with a suprise attack but this grand master is trained to be super fast reaction like the book said that puts logan to be better than a GK grandmaster.
This means he might stand a chance with a demon prince primarch so surely is a match with abaddon.
Here I gave you a comparison instead of you just say abaddon is better with no reason.
Ha ha oh he ha he he, and i thought my jokes were bad!?
A daemon prince stronger then Abaddon seriously.. man i dont know what you've read about daemons etc, but a lot of daemon princes are very weak and not very good. HOWEVER there are many who are very strong, in the chaos codex's 4th and 5th, it states that there are Daemon Princes, and Greater daemons that are stronger then the Primarchs. They are so ancient etc.
There are several weak daemon princes. Ever heard of Hunt for Voldorius? well i'm not going to spoil anything but a weak characters kill a daemon prince very easily. All you have to do to become a prince is to gain a lot of favor from the gods, sacrificing peeps...
I'm not going into anymore detail your comment is hilarious and im just to tired.. Abaddon could defeat about 80% of the Galaxies Greater daemons and Daemon Princes. If you dont like that just read a book lol, better yet warhammer 40k wiki or Lex.. Have fun !
I totally read your comment wrong... wow my bad lmao, but ya umm i think Abaddon could beat Mortarion, maybe Perturbs.. thats a stretch but apparently Abaddon is just as powerful if not more so then Horus ever was with his new weapons and the gods suping him up..
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2012/08/22 00:14:05
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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I think Mortarion could rip Abaddon into pieces like tissue paper but hey, to each his own.
And no, Abaddon isn't more powerful than Chaos Horus, not even close.
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2012/08/22 00:55:45
Subject: Re:Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Frecklesonfire wrote:i think you will not argue with me when I say a demon prince primarch is stronger than abaddon. When GK grandmasters are probably equal match with a demon prince primarch not always but 50/50 one dies another kills it. Then logan can kills one with a suprise attack but this grand master is trained to be super fast reaction like the book said that puts logan to be better than a GK grandmaster.
This means he might stand a chance with a demon prince primarch so surely is a match with abaddon.
Here I gave you a comparison instead of you just say abaddon is better with no reason.
Ha ha oh he ha he he, and i thought my jokes were bad!?
A daemon prince stronger then Abaddon seriously.. man i dont know what you've read about daemons etc, but a lot of daemon princes are very weak and not very good. HOWEVER there are many who are very strong, in the chaos codex's 4th and 5th, it states that there are Daemon Princes, and Greater daemons that are stronger then the Primarchs. They are so ancient etc.
There are several weak daemon princes. Ever heard of Hunt for Voldorius? well i'm not going to spoil anything but a weak characters kill a daemon prince very easily. All you have to do to become a prince is to gain a lot of favor from the gods, sacrificing peeps...
I'm not going into anymore detail your comment is hilarious and im just to tired.. Abaddon could defeat about 80% of the Galaxies Greater daemons and Daemon Princes. If you dont like that just read a book lol, better yet warhammer 40k wiki or Lex.. Have fun !
I totally read your comment wrong... wow my bad lmao, but ya umm i think Abaddon could beat Mortarion, maybe Perturbs.. thats a stretch but apparently Abaddon is just as powerful if not more so then Horus ever was with his new weapons and the gods suping him up..
So like Abby would win against Mortarion ?Fulgrim maybe ?I say no chance...maybe he is too strong for any of the fantastic 4 (Dante,Logan,Azrael & Calgar ) but even Perturabo would blow him away....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/22 03:18:11
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Why do people think Perturabo was particularly weak?
His Legion were renowned for their close combat abilities, and fought with a grim ferocity on par with the World Eaters and Blood Angels.
He's also bros4life with Angron, and Angron wouldn't be bros4life with a punk.
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2012/08/22 03:29:37
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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 Void__Dragon wrote: Marthike wrote:Obviously? any reason? is there any book I missed where it said logan and abaddon fought and abaddon one shotted logan....
i think you will not argue with me when I say a demon prince primarch is stronger than abaddon. When GK grandmasters are probably equal match with a demon prince primarch not always but 50/50 one dies another kills it. Then logan can kills one with a suprise attack but this grand master is trained to be super fast reaction like the book said that puts logan to be better than a GK grandmaster.
This means he might stand a chance with a demon prince primarch so surely is a match with abaddon.
Here I gave you a comparison instead of you just say abaddon is better with no reason.
Draigo is directly stated to be the most decorated Grey Knight in history save maybe the founder of their order, and is to date the only character who has ever beaten a Daemon Primarch one on one, let alone dominating one like Draigo did. Draigo is without doubt the most powerful Grey Knight, nay, the most powerful Space Marine, we have seen in action.
Draigo could beat Abaddon and Logan with the same amount of difficulty. Which is to say none at all.
Stop trying to use Draigo's feats to make Logan look good, it's sad.
I never said draigo. a GK paladin is a paladin by defeating one of the 666 most power demons. So a GK GM must be one of the best paladins to reach that status. This puts them to be close to defeating/fighting the greater demons and demon primarchs. This then puts logan to be probably equal/ better than the GK GM so probably equal to most demon princes and probably just a big worse than the demon primarchs. Now, this puts abaddon and logan to be pretty simmilar.
oh I forgot to mention (can't remember if its for killing these demons) but the paladins do it not wearing armour and with their fists.
Forgot if they are allowed weapons or I am quoting a seperate fluff. please some one confirm this.
Lastly, If would be nice for you to stop insulting people when your the one who keeps thinking about draigo. I don't think calling someone sad with out reason other than your own made up reason is very civil Automatically Appended Next Post: FinalAnswer wrote: DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote: DarthMarko wrote: FinalAnswer wrote:
Logan would more or less be used as a training dummy by Draigo, let alone an equal opponent.
Is that you Ward?And we are talking about Abaddon vs Draigo...
Hey, I'm not liking it lol, just that Draigo's superhero feats speak for themselves.
Abaddon wouldn't really be capable of fighting Draigo either, I mean, we ARE talking about a dude that has trolled the Warp so much that only the most crazy of Khorne's demons bother attacking him anymore.
Dude now I don't know are you being sarcastic or serious and what is your stance on Draigo....
My stance on Draigo is that he is a cartoon mary sue superhero that shouldn't be used in comparison to other 40k characters because the way Ward wrote him makes him out to be so much stronger then most other 40k characters.
Draigo is so powerful he drinks tea with the emporer in the warp.
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2012/08/22 03:41:59
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Then why bring up his feats?
a GK paladin is a paladin by defeating one of the 666 most power demons. So a GK GM must be one of the best paladins to reach that status. This puts them to be close to defeating/fighting the greater demons and demon primarchs. This then puts logan to be probably equal/ better than the GK GM so probably equal to most demon princes and probably just a big worse than the demon primarchs. Now, this puts abaddon and logan to be pretty simmilar.
Lorgar, who at the time was likely the weakest Primarch, beat An'ggrath, the strongest of Khorne's Bloodthirsters, while in the Warp.
The difference between your average punkass Daemon Prince or Greater Daemon is huge. There's a reason why Angron has 12 of the things as his personal bodyguard. They're troop choices compared to him.
oh I forgot to mention (can't remember if its for killing these demons) but the paladins do it not wearing armour and with their fists
Forgot if they are allowed weapons or I am quoting a seperate fluff. please some one confirm this.
They are permitted a Nemesis Force Weapon, along with the Greater Daemons's true name. Beyond that, Grey Knights are by their very nature super effective against Daemonkind.
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2012/08/22 04:23:07
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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 purplefood wrote:Abbaddon would win but it's not like he'd do it easily...
Grimnar hasn't been chapter master of the SW for over 500 years for no reason...
Exactly this hear. I would put my money on Abbadon but it would be a good fight for sure
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2012/08/22 04:42:38
Subject: Re:Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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2012/08/22 06:19:49
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Grimnar vs pretty much anyone else and I beleive he walks away the victor. Some fights will be much closer than others.
However, I agree with pretty much everyone else. Chaos' poster boy is going to take this one. There are probably only a small handfull of guys in the universe who could take him down one on one. None of them being from the IOM.
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2012/08/22 06:24:36
Subject: Re:Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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I dunno, I think Mephiston might stand a fair chance.
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2012/08/22 10:10:08
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I dunno... Mephiston is really that great fluff-wise, its only in-game. To be honest, I reckon Grimaldus would stand a better chance than Mephiston (barring the use of his psychic powers, because they aren't really part of a fist fight).
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/08/22 11:27:29
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Dakka Veteran
NoVA
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 Jayden63 wrote:
However, I agree with pretty much everyone else. Chaos' poster boy is going to take this one. There are probably only a small handfull of guys in the universe who could take him down one on one. None of them being from the IOM.
I think Draigo, Sanguinor, and Mephiston could all make a case for beating Abaddon, I see them as a step ahead of the Chapter Masters and guys like Kharn, Typhus, Lucius.
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Playing: Droids (Legion), Starks (ASOIAF), BB2
Working on: Starks (ASOIAF), Twilight Kin (KoW). Droids (Legion)
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2012/08/22 11:36:11
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Red Viper wrote: Jayden63 wrote:
However, I agree with pretty much everyone else. Chaos' poster boy is going to take this one. There are probably only a small handfull of guys in the universe who could take him down one on one. None of them being from the IOM.
I think Draigo, Sanguinor, and Mephiston could all make a case for beating Abaddon, I see them as a step ahead of the Chapter Masters and guys like Kharn, Typhus, Lucius.
Sanguinor ? How do you add that ? Ghost vs Grand Master of Chaos ? Fluffwise I mean....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/22 12:12:12
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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I say Logan would lose, but only because facing The Despoiler will make him Abaddon all hope.
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2012/08/22 12:21:53
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Executing Exarch
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 Krellnus wrote:I say Logan would lose, but only because facing The Despoiler will make him Abaddon all hope.
*A Ba Ddon Tish*
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2012/08/22 14:28:57
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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That really was A badd on e
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2012/08/22 14:41:31
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Krellnus wrote:I say Logan would lose, but only because facing The Despoiler will make him Abaddon all hope.
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Go to your room. 
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2012/08/22 14:48:36
Subject: Logan Grimnar vs Abaddon the Despoiler?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
St. George, UT
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 Red Viper wrote: Jayden63 wrote:
However, I agree with pretty much everyone else. Chaos' poster boy is going to take this one. There are probably only a small handfull of guys in the universe who could take him down one on one. None of them being from the IOM.
I think Draigo, Sanguinor, and Mephiston could all make a case for beating Abaddon, I see them as a step ahead of the Chapter Masters and guys like Kharn, Typhus, Lucius.
Your talking about three guys whos most recent fluff is written by Matt Ward.... I'm going to call their greatness over inflated. Abaddon has old fluff history of being a total badass back when the feats of the Astarties was much more calm (yet still impressive).
The Sanguinor would pop in, smile, get backfisted into the mat, and then just lay there moaning. At least Mephiston has a history of being tough, that I could see being a good fight, however his newest incarnation is nothing more than a fanboys wet dream (same with Draigo). But old Mephiston has the historical toughness to go the rounds, but I still see Abaddon winning this one.
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