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Abbadon's base stats are better than Logan's base stats. Abbadon has a daemon weapon, which is going to be really rough to survive against. In armor/wargear or without armor/wargear, abbadon will win.

There are not many who can stand up to the dude, so it doesn't surprise me. I think Bjorn the Fell handed would be a better, and more fitting match.

A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

 CShaffer wrote:
A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

The combined weight of plot armor concentrated in one place would collide the galaxy.

 CShaffer wrote:
A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

it's up to the dice on that one.

Abby is gonna hit more often,(and first) but at a lower STR and Dragio has a lower invul save. honestly in that fight it's anyone's guess.

BrianDavion wrote:

 CShaffer wrote:
A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

it's up to the dice on that one.

Abby is gonna hit more often,(and first) but at a lower STR and Dragio has a lower invul save. honestly in that fight it's anyone's guess.

Already playtested 10 times. Abaddon won all times. I elected for him to use Drachn'yen each time. Starting from 15" away, roll off for who goes first.
Outside 12" Draigo has the advantage with having 2 shots but Abaddon is more accurate. Inside 12" Abaddon dominates with the same number of shots as Draigo and more accurate due to TL. In the first round of combat Abaddon typically dishes out 2 or 3 unsaved wounds. Hatred + Rage + 4+D6 attacks hitting and wounding on a 3+ kills stuff hard.
Note I was using 6th Ed rules for psychic tests as it was much simpler and in fact easier for Draigo to cast powers. Banishment and GoI were largely useless kiting but its not a good strategy so I stuck to Purge Soul and hammerhand. Purge Soul rarely did anythinf but did knock a wound off once. Hammerhand did help a lot but it didn't make a difference.
Abaddon won all 10 matches in my testing. And that's assuming Abaddon doesn't defeat some scrub Sergeant and get a bonus.

 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 CShaffer wrote:
A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

it's up to the dice on that one.

Abby is gonna hit more often,(and first) but at a lower STR and Dragio has a lower invul save. honestly in that fight it's anyone's guess.

Already playtested 10 times. Abaddon won all times. I elected for him to use Drachn'yen each time. Starting from 15" away, roll off for who goes first.
Outside 12" Draigo has the advantage with having 2 shots but Abaddon is more accurate. Inside 12" Abaddon dominates with the same number of shots as Draigo and more accurate due to TL. In the first round of combat Abaddon typically dishes out 2 or 3 unsaved wounds. Hatred + Rage + 4+D6 attacks hitting and wounding on a 3+ kills stuff hard.
Note I was using 6th Ed rules for psychic tests as it was much simpler and in fact easier for Draigo to cast powers. Banishment and GoI were largely useless kiting but its not a good strategy so I stuck to Purge Soul and hammerhand. Purge Soul rarely did anythinf but did knock a wound off once. Hammerhand did help a lot but it didn't make a difference.
Abaddon won all 10 matches in my testing. And that's assuming Abaddon doesn't defeat some scrub Sergeant and get a bonus.

Prefered enemy really helps Abbaddon against SM heros. Beast + PE is just hard to counter. He occationally has trouble with some xenos but rarely with SMs.

 Exergy wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 CShaffer wrote:
A better topic would be the GK Mary Sue VS. Abby

it's up to the dice on that one.

Abby is gonna hit more often,(and first) but at a lower STR and Dragio has a lower invul save. honestly in that fight it's anyone's guess.

Already playtested 10 times. Abaddon won all times. I elected for him to use Drachn'yen each time. Starting from 15" away, roll off for who goes first.
Outside 12" Draigo has the advantage with having 2 shots but Abaddon is more accurate. Inside 12" Abaddon dominates with the same number of shots as Draigo and more accurate due to TL. In the first round of combat Abaddon typically dishes out 2 or 3 unsaved wounds. Hatred + Rage + 4+D6 attacks hitting and wounding on a 3+ kills stuff hard.
Note I was using 6th Ed rules for psychic tests as it was much simpler and in fact easier for Draigo to cast powers. Banishment and GoI were largely useless kiting but its not a good strategy so I stuck to Purge Soul and hammerhand. Purge Soul rarely did anythinf but did knock a wound off once. Hammerhand did help a lot but it didn't make a difference.
Abaddon won all 10 matches in my testing. And that's assuming Abaddon doesn't defeat some scrub Sergeant and get a bonus.

Prefered enemy really helps Abbaddon against SM heros. Beast + PE is just hard to counter. He occationally has trouble with some xenos but rarely with SMs.

Abaddon was entirely designed to kill Marines, no question. On one hand (lol) he has a lightning claw that ID's MEQ, in the other he murders TEQ with loads of AP2 attacks. He's faster, tougher, more skilled, more killy, than basically any Marine character. He has Hatred against them (reroll all hits on the first round) and preferred enemy (reroll all to-hit and wound rolls of 1, which is more for Drachnyen than the Talon).
He is a literal CC beast. Very few characters can actually go toe to toe, the Swarmlord and a zmSS Overlord springing to mind.

In a straight up fist fight, with no outside sources, Logan wins the fist fight.

After all, Abaddon doesn't have arms...

 Crazyterran wrote:
In a straight up fist fight, with no outside sources, Logan wins the fist fight.

After all, Abaddon doesn't have arms...

It seems he is not exercising his right as a citizen to bear arms, for some reason.

Abadizzle would beat Father Wolf any day of the week, if there's a Space Marine that can beat him in 40k it isn't Grimnar

I am a huge fan of the space wolves myself, and of grimnar, but in all honest and respect to the space wolves, it just got to give it to abbadon. All astartes are geneticly modified with an organ called an ossmodula. The ossmodula stimulates bone growth, so as a space marine gets older he grows instead of the human body habit to shrink. Many space marine veterans who have fought for a few hundred years have grown 9-10 feet tall. After 10,000 years, abbadon should be at least the size of a primarch, he is tainted by the warp which I don't know how it would effect the organs function. If the ossmodula works how I think it is, Logan won't stand a chance, because abbadon has a huge advantage in size, maybe a better match up is pretty heresy abbadon vs grimnar

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