1750 Jy2's Hive Fleet Pandora vs Tomb King's The Ugly Misfits - An Interactive Battle (Completed)

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**Chancetragedy**

Just out of curiosity TK, why do you keep requesting mindshackles go off before challenges when your charging single model units? Is there a particular reason or just preference?

**jy2**

Chancetragedy wrote:
Just out of curiosity TK, why do you keep requesting mindshackles go off before challenges when your charging single model units? Is there a particular reason or just preference?

Because he was planning a multi-charge. Hit both flyrants, MSS goes off and the challenge the other non-MSS'd flyrant (most likely my weakened warlord). I believe that was his intent.

**Chancetragedy**

Ahh that's pretty smart, I had to go back and find doom in the pic, now it makes sense to me Haha.

**Tomb King**

Because MSS and Challenges are both issued at the same time. So the player who's turn it is can decide the order in which they are processed. If MSS goes off he wont be able to issue a challenge and my wraiths can go to town on him.

**Dozer Blades**

Here is a better breakdown for jy2:

1) The night scythe comes in from reserve and lines up to finish off the flyrant.

2) The 2 left barges will move up just enough to get in range of the relic tervigon.

3) The two night scythe will move up the minimum 18" and fire on the tervigon unless for some miraculous reason the barges kill it first. Hope the arcs can do some damage to all those surrounding units.

4) The dlord + wraiths will move back to charge doom, they will not use jump packs in the movement phase to make sure I get enough charge distance to get lord into base contact with doom. They will stay just out of 6" from doom. If they get the charge on doom I want MSS to go off before anything.

5) The cultist are gonna move back to the board edge in a line.

6) The lone barge on the right is going to move back and turbo boost an inch back to end up in the corner. Far away from any threat and with a 4+ cover to anything but impaler cannons.

7) The warriors in the middle are going to move back and to the right again avoiding 6" bubble of doom. They will shoot at doom rapid fire.

8) The 5 warriors disembarking from the night scythe will rapid fire into the flyrant after the night scythe skyfires at it, if it is still alive then the 5 warriors in the middle will switch from shooting doom to shooting the flyrant, if it the flyrant is dead they will both shoot doom.

9) The cultist if in range will fire at doom.

**jy2**

Just finished Necron Turns 3 and Tyranids Turn 4. Need to go out for dinner but will work on and post the 2 turns when I return.

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Tomb King wrote:
Because MSS and Challenges are both issued at the same time. So the player who's turn it is can decide the order in which they are processed. If MSS goes off he wont be able to issue a challenge and my wraiths can go to town on him.

There is always that as well. Hmmm, good tactic. I never thought about that.

**Tomb King**

Dozer Blades wrote:
Here is a better breakdown for jy2:

1) The night scythe comes in from reserve and lines up to finish off the flyrant.

2) The 2 left barges will move up just enough to get in range of the relic tervigon.

3) The two night scythe will move up the minimum 18" and fire on the tervigon unless for some miraculous reason the barges kill it first. Hope the arcs can do some damage to all those surrounding units.

4) The dlord + wraiths will move back to charge doom, they will not use jump packs in the movement phase to make sure I get enough charge distance to get lord into base contact with doom. They will stay just out of 6" from doom. If they get the charge on doom I want MSS to go off before anything.

5) The cultist are gonna move back to the board edge in a line.

6) The lone barge on the right is going to move back and turbo boost an inch back to end up in the corner. Far away from any threat and with a 4+ cover to anything but impaler cannons.

7) The warriors in the middle are going to move back and to the right again avoiding 6" bubble of doom. They will shoot at doom rapid fire.

8) The 5 warriors disembarking from the night scythe will rapid fire into the flyrant after the night scythe skyfires at it, if it is still alive then the 5 warriors in the middle will switch from shooting doom to shooting the flyrant, if it the flyrant is dead they will both shoot doom.

9) The cultist if in range will fire at doom.

lol, I suppose I could break it up better. It may look a little hard to understand as you all dont see the last minute adjustments etc... offline via text. Hey JY depending what time they get posted I might be able to give my moves tonight. Doesn't mean it will get done tonight but might give you the ability to tackle it when your ready. Quick question. Are the games for the BAO random game length?

**jy2**

jy2 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
If the Biovores were lurking they can't fire out of LoS. Page 33 Nid codex - they have to fire at the nearest visible enemy. Since they couldn't see anyone they must run towards the nearest area terrain.

It didn't matter for this batrep, but it's important to remember.

Ok, good to know.

Tomb King wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
If the Biovores were lurking they can't fire out of LoS. Page 33 Nid codex - they have to fire at the nearest visible enemy. Since they couldn't see anyone they must run towards the nearest area terrain.

It didn't matter for this batrep, but it's important to remember.

Only thing it might do is affect how far he is from obj.

Ok, I will run them towards the closest area terrain, which is pretty close to them and the objective anyways.

The only danger for them is that now you can shoot them up and possibly get +1VP for Big Guns.

Ok, battle report correction #2.

As the left biovores failed their Instinctive Behavior test and there was no visible enemies in sight, they run 6" towards area terrain. Front biovore just makes it in.

Dozer Blades wrote:
Here is a better breakdown for jy2:

1) The night scythe comes in from reserve and lines up to finish off the flyrant.

2) The 2 left barges will move up just enough to get in range of the relic tervigon.

3) The two night scythe will move up the minimum 18" and fire on the tervigon unless for some miraculous reason the barges kill it first. Hope the arcs can do some damage to all those surrounding units.

4) The dlord + wraiths will move back to charge doom, they will not use jump packs in the movement phase to make sure I get enough charge distance to get lord into base contact with doom. They will stay just out of 6" from doom. If they get the charge on doom I want MSS to go off before anything.

5) The cultist are gonna move back to the board edge in a line.

6) The lone barge on the right is going to move back and turbo boost an inch back to end up in the corner. Far away from any threat and with a 4+ cover to anything but impaler cannons.

7) The warriors in the middle are going to move back and to the right again avoiding 6" bubble of doom. They will shoot at doom rapid fire.

8) The 5 warriors disembarking from the night scythe will rapid fire into the flyrant after the night scythe skyfires at it, if it is still alive then the 5 warriors in the middle will switch from shooting doom to shooting the flyrant, if it the flyrant is dead they will both shoot doom.

9) The cultist if in range will fire at doom.

Thanks Dozer.

Tomb King wrote:

lol, I suppose I could break it up better. It may look a little hard to understand as you all dont see the last minute adjustments etc... offline via text. Hey JY depending what time they get posted I might be able to give my moves tonight. Doesn't mean it will get done tonight but might give you the ability to tackle it when your ready. Quick question. Are the games for the BAO random game length?

Just got back from dinner. Working on report now. WIll probably be up in half hour.

BAO missions are random game length like normal.

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Turn 3 completed and top of Turn 4 (tyranids) posted.

**Janthkin**

The Doom should have challenged the Destroyer Lord. Might have saved the Flyrant, or possibly itself from all those wraiths.

Pretty good turn for the Necrons there!

**hippesthippo**

That relic isn't going anywhere.. Looks like a 1pt minor victory for Nids, thanks to first blood. That's why the relic is such an awful mission. First blood is too important in it.

I must say, your last few games have had some really EXTREME dice rolls. Kind of leaves a sour taste.. We'll see how it ends up. Maybe the dice start going TK's way.

Also, this game really shows why taking that 365 pt Prince is such a huge gamble, bad luck or not.. You're asking for it.

**jy2**

Janthkin wrote:
The Doom should have challenged the Destroyer Lord. Might have saved the Flyrant, or possibly itself from all those wraiths.

Pretty good turn for the Necrons there!

The first combat, he couldn't because the D-lord was about 5" away from a model in base with the Doom.

The 2nd round of combat, he did, but the D-lord declined and left him to fight against 5 wraiths with PE.

hippesthippo wrote:
That relic isn't going anywhere.. Looks like a 1pt minor victory for Nids, thanks to first blood. That's why the relic is such an awful mission. First blood is too important in it.

I must say, your last few games have had some really EXTREME dice rolls. Kind of leaves a sour taste.. We'll see how it ends up. Maybe the dice start going TK's way.

Also, this game really shows why taking that 365 pt Prince is such a huge gamble, bad luck or not.. You're asking for it.

I wouldn't be so sure about the victory just yet. While the chances are high that I've got the Relic, it is only the Secondary. TK still has a very good chance to get the Primary, Big Guns. Also, he's got my Warlord, can easily get Linebreaker (assuming game ends on 5) and can deny me Linebreaker as well.

The last 2 player turns have gone TK's way somewhat. You really can't ask for more than finishing off my flyrant and the Doom on my turn. Now I don't have much guns that can deal with his flyers. Although I still have the advantage slightly, the momentum has definitely shifted. Now it's going to be a battle to see if I can hold on to what I've got.

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@TK,

Here are some pictures as you requested.

Currently, lead AB can only see part of the gun barrel of my hive guard. The measuring tape is to show if it moves 12" forwards.

After moving 12", this is how much of my hive guard it would be able to see.

The positioning of my hive guards.

Overview of the center of the board, from 2 perspectives:

Let me know if you need anything else.

**Tomb King**

Alright Necrons Turn 4:

1. Warriors on my left flank get back in their ride. It moves to shoot the two visible hive guard in the center. If possible I want it over the 3 tube barricade but if it must it cant land on top of them to get los.

2. Both barges on the left flank advance 12". Fire the rear vehicle first to try and kill the only visible hive guard to them. If it dies turbo boost the other up another 6". If the hive guard still lives fire both barges at him.

3. The Scythe closest to your board edge will pivot and move towards your far objective making sure it doesnt move over 24". The passengers will then disembark and move up to that objective and then rapid fire into the gaunts there. The scythe will turbo boost off of the board in the shooting phase if that is legal. Cant remember if it can turbo boost or not after dropping off guys.

4. The Scythe currently in the middle will move up and on the other objective making sure to leave no space for the gaunts to come back on it and around the rock. The warriors inside will disembark and surround the 2 surviving biovores remaining 1" away of course. The scythe will shoot the lone biovore. The warriors will rapid fire at the 2 biovores.

5. The 5 warriors on my back line will move diagnally towards my pyramid objective and get within 12" of the spore. They will rapid fire the spore pod.

6. The vehicle in the back right will move up some but will remain 30 1/2 from your hive guard.

7. The wraith will move to the center and try to charge the front most gaunt squad. Unless the warriors fail to kill the spore pod or get it down to 1 wound. If that is the case then the wraiths will attempt to multi-charge the gaunts and the spore pod with the destroyer lord going to the pod and the majority of the wraiths hitting the gaunts. This is only if spore doesnt take damage. If the spore has 1 wound left just charge the gaunts only.

Dont think I missed anything. As always if you have any questions ask.

While I am at it I will catch up on the narrative.

Narrative a Necron Chronicle: C763.M41 Hive Fleet Pandora

Spoiler:

Part 1 of narrative completed. I will take up Part 2 tomorrow.

**Dozer Blades**

Getting really exciting now !! Just like reading a batrep for two top players on a top table at a GT.

**Chancetragedy**

Yah I gotta agree with Dozer, this is turning out to be an amazing format between 2 highly skilled players. I've already learned a TON about necrons that make me realize I've got a LOT of work if I wanna start really competing in tournaments and such.

**Hammernator**

Wow! The narrative just added another dimension to this already epic battle report.
Keep it up!

**hippesthippo**

Ahhh, my mistake! I thought The Relic was primary. In that case, put me down for a draw.

**Thatguyhsagun**

Loving the BatRep, keep it up! the narrative is excellently done as well, perfect example of what all BatReps should aspire to be.

**Tomb King**

Dozer Blades wrote:Getting really exciting now !! Just like reading a batrep for two top players on a top table at a GT.

Chancetragedy wrote:Yah I gotta agree with Dozer, this is turning out to be an amazing format between 2 highly skilled players. I've already learned a TON about necrons that make me realize I've got a LOT of work if I wanna start really competing in tournaments and such.

Ya we figured the interactive format would be unique and might add that turn by turn decision making the people are often looking for in a report. I just hope my actions were not too premature. However, only time will tell.

Hammernator wrote:Wow! The narrative just added another dimension to this already epic battle report.
Keep it up!

Thatguyhsagun wrote:Loving the BatRep, keep it up! the narrative is excellently done as well, perfect example of what all BatReps should aspire to be.

I appreciate that guys. I used to write a lot but have since lost my touch. Part 1 of the narrative is completed and updated in the last post. I am segmenting it to prevent it from being one lengthy narrative. It makes it more reader friendly. Depending my schedule I will begin part 2 tomorrow.

hippesthippo wrote:Ahhh, my mistake! I thought The Relic was primary. In that case, put me down for a draw.

This might not be a far fetched estimate. This turn will most likely give a good indicator of the possible outcome.

**jy2**

Necrons Turn 4 posted.

**Janthkin**

jy2 wrote:
Janthkin wrote:
The Doom should have challenged the Destroyer Lord. Might have saved the Flyrant, or possibly itself from all those wraiths.

Pretty good turn for the Necrons there!

The first combat, he couldn't because the D-lord was about 5" away from a model in base with the Doom.

Doesn't matter; so long as the enemy character is engaged in the combat, relative positioning between the challenger & challengee isn't a factor.

I do agree with Tomb King - turn 4 is likely decisive, as both armies are a bit exposed at the moment - TK's got many of his tiny scoring units out in the open, jy2's running low on mobility to threaten distant objectives. Need some popcorn!

**Red Corsair**

Wow super crappy rolls for the poor necrons. Is jy2 doing all the rolling? If so this seems more like a normal self played report with TK list and some strategy input, which is still awesome mind you but I am trying to figure out how you guys can make it more like a simulative report.

Do you think vassel with one player setting up the actual board to check LoS would work?

I still think using skype for a live feed would work well as you guys could still throw dice together and chat as one player moved the models.

**jy2**

Tyranids Turn 5 posted.

Janthkin wrote:
jy2 wrote:
Janthkin wrote:
The Doom should have challenged the Destroyer Lord. Might have saved the Flyrant, or possibly itself from all those wraiths.

Pretty good turn for the Necrons there!

The first combat, he couldn't because the D-lord was about 5" away from a model in base with the Doom.
Doesn't matter; so long as the enemy character is engaged in the combat, relative positioning between the challenger & challengee isn't a factor.

I do agree with Tomb King - turn 4 is likely decisive, as both armies are a bit exposed at the moment - TK's got many of his tiny scoring units out in the open, jy2's running low on mobility to threaten distant objectives. Need some popcorn!

Ok, that is good to know. I will consider such a tactic next time. Thanks.

Red Corsair wrote:
Wow super crappy rolls for the poor necrons. Is jy2 doing all the rolling? If so this seems more like a normal self played report with TK list and some strategy input, which is still awesome mind you but I am trying to figure out how you guys can make it more like a simulative report.

Do you think vassel with one player setting up the actual board to check LoS would work?

I still think using skype for a live feed would work well as you guys could still throw dice together and chat as one player moved the models.

It's pretty much me rolling the dice. However, TK will be rolling to see if the game continues.

Rolling dice through skype video sounds kind of geeky.

Haha...j.k. Perhaps in the future, we can try this. However, there is the issue of scheduling. Due to different work hours, family obligations (yup...we both have spouses) and the time difference between our locations, it is more convenient for us to do the reports in our own time when we have it. But I can see the problems that this can bring up, especially when there is some incredible dice going on.

I'm not very well versed in vassal unfortunately, though if my opponent wanted to do part of the report on vassal, I'd be more than happy to take lots of pictures for him. Again, though when it comes to rolling dice, whether on video or vassal, there is the issue of scheduling as well as some extra work involved.

Dozer Blades wrote:
Getting really exciting now !! Just like reading a batrep for two top players on a top table at a GT.

Thanks. Sorry about the wait though. Between different work schedules, spouses at home, the time difference and having to wait for input for both parties, this type of report will usually take some time to complete.

But perhaps maybe one day, TK and I may just meet in a real game in an East Coast or even West Coast tournament. Who knows, we may even end up playing on an actual top table then.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I gotta agree with Dozer, this is turning out to be an amazing format between 2 highly skilled players. I've already learned a TON about necrons that make me realize I've got a LOT of work if I wanna start really competing in tournaments and such.

Necrons have got a lot of tricks up their sleeves. But they are solid all around as well. Troops in flying transports is just sic!

Hammernator wrote:
Wow! The narrative just added another dimension to this already epic battle report.
Keep it up!

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Loving the BatRep, keep it up! the narrative is excellently done as well, perfect example of what all BatReps should aspire to be.

Thanks to TK for that. I myself am busy enough with just playing and writing the report. His narrative does add a nice touch, but maybe I may just give it a try at the end of the game (from the Hive Mind perspective, of course).

**PrinceOfMadness**

The dice rolls on both sides of this report have been....interesting, to say the least. Jy2 got some awful rolls for psychic powers during deployment, while Tomb King's in-game shooting has been abysmal. I would have liked to see this same match up with less fickle dice. At the same time though, this has been an interesting game to watch.

**Siphen**

jy2 wrote:
Warriors pass pinning but then fail morale on boxcars! They fall back 8". However, 2 warriors get back up.

If the game ends on turn 5, this won't make much of a difference. I don't think you can use Reanimation Protocols if the unit falls back. There would only be one warrior left in that unit on his turn - you stand a decent chance of killing that last one and securing the objective. (Of course, he would still hold 2 and contest 1 if the game ends on turn 5).

Loving the battle report! If the game ends on turn 5, I'd give one to TK. If it goes on, jy2 can probably pull a win. Very close!

**Tomb King**

PrinceOfMadness wrote:The dice rolls on both sides of this report have been....interesting, to say the least. Jy2 got some awful rolls for psychic powers during deployment, while Tomb King's in-game shooting has been abysmal. I would have liked to see this same match up with less fickle dice. At the same time though, this has been an interesting game to watch.

Who knows regardless of the outcome we might try best of three with perhaps the next game pulling from the indy missions. etc...

Siphen wrote:
jy2 wrote:
Warriors pass pinning but then fail morale on boxcars! They fall back 8". However, 2 warriors get back up.

If the game ends on turn 5, this won't make much of a difference. I don't think you can use Reanimation Protocols if the unit falls back. There would only be one warrior left in that unit on his turn - you stand a decent chance of killing that last one and securing the objective. (Of course, he would still hold 2 and contest 1 if the game ends on turn 5).

Loving the battle report! If the game ends on turn 5, I'd give one to TK. If it goes on, jy2 can probably pull a win. Very close!

Actually there is nothing preventing a reanimation protocol besides the entire unit being wiped out. All they did in that instance was flee.

As for my last ditch effort to hold onto this one:

1. Warriors walk on from reserve and rapid fire the spore. They are close enough to make my home objective.

2. The other 5 warriors othat shot the spore last turn move up close to the spore in preparation for a desperation charge if it is needed.

If the spore dies to the other unit then these guys will run up behind the BLOS terrain.

3. Both Night scythe leave to refuel in case the battle continues.

4. The 3 man warriors squad will try and place 2 in the area terrain while still holding that top objective. They will also put as much distance as possible between them and the tervigon. They will shoot the gaunts.

5. The barges will move with one moving up the board diagonally as depicted and it will fire at the middle gaunts assuming it can reach a good number of them. The other barge will advance straight forward 6" and fire next to kill more of the gaunts in the middle. Hopefully these shots can arc into the gargoyles.

6. The destroy lord and wraith will fight that combat with likely a gargoyle with MSS. Hopefully they can win it. If they do I want them to consolidate to block the gaunts from advancing. The wraith in this combat will take the saves first.

7. The warriors in the combat in the back WILL HOLD THEIR GROUND!

8. My wounded barge will remain 30 1/2" from the hive guard. Prepping for a possible run at the middle objective if needed.

I will let you process this turn. Then since dice seem to be hating me I will have the wife roll the possible game ending dice.

**rigeld2**

edit: Nevermind, ignore me.

**Trekend**

I'm new here (though I've been lurking for a few months), so please feel free to flay me alive in the case that I'm terribly, terribly wrong.

Edit: I was terribly, terribly wrong on the first quote

Tomb King wrote:

Actually there is nothing preventing a reanimation protocol besides the entire unit being wiped out. All they did in that instance was flee.

Again, I haven't checked the errata any time recently... But according to the book, if the unit falls back you're supposed to remove all reanimation protocol counters from the unit. Which means no coming back :(

That being said, I am REALLY enjoying this battle report. Not only is it a close nail-biter, but seeing Tomb King's moves and then trying to guess how they will pan out in the game is pretty interesting.

**rigeld2**

Trekend wrote:
But according to the book, if the unit falls back you're supposed to remove all reanimation protocol counters from the unit. Which means no coming back :(

He's right. Last sentence, first paragraph of RP rules.

**Tomb King**

Not home currently. Will have to check it when I get home. That would make failing that leadership that much more crucial.

**jy2**

Trekend wrote:
I'm new here (though I've been lurking for a few months), so please feel free to flay me alive in the case that I'm terribly, terribly wrong.

Edit: I was terribly, terribly wrong on the first quote

Tomb King wrote:

Actually there is nothing preventing a reanimation protocol besides the entire unit being wiped out. All they did in that instance was flee.

Again, I haven't checked the errata any time recently... But according to the book, if the unit falls back you're supposed to remove all reanimation protocol counters from the unit. Which means no coming back :(

That being said, I am REALLY enjoying this battle report. Not only is it a close nail-biter, but seeing Tomb King's moves and then trying to guess how they will pan out in the game is pretty interesting.

I'll look it up once I get back from work as well.