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 DarknessEternal wrote:
No different than any other model part. Literally 10 seconds of running hot water fixes that. Good luck carving a Land Speeder out of a lead brick.

I guess you missed the part where finecast models bend under their own weight because the material is so weak? Good luck fixing it with hot water once you've already painted it.

 troa wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Finecast isn't good, it's really not.
But I do have to say that I'd infinitely prefer a finecast Penitent Engine over a metal one. The metal one was the most frustrating model I've ever assembled.

But why "isn't it good" in your opinion?
After reading a lot of replies in this thread, I think it is just popular for people to hate an actually decent product. I am not saying people don't have a genuine reason to be angry, but I do think a lot of people hate on it for no reason.

...I think what we're seeing here is you are set in your opinion, and based on the start of your last line I believe you don't actually see the problems others face as real. I'm simply not seeing that you're reading through replies, what I DO see is you ignoring what doesn't fit your perspective or experience. That's fine, you are able to continue buying and being satisfied, but a "convince me otherwise" thread(which I believe this has become) is about the most pointless thing anyone can spend time on. Especially when others are quite obviously NOT satisfied.

To go back to my red ring of death parallel... Some people did not experience it. But that did not mean it wasn't a pretty big problem in quality.

You have got me completely wrong, I understand that many people have been stuffed around, but I also think many others either are jumping on the band wagon, not explaining themselves in enough detail, or have a slight touch of the "first world problems". Please don't think that I think there is no issues here, or that I am basing my words on my own pre-conceived ideas/experiences. I have read enough threads to know there are problems.

Reasonable enough. There will always be some who jump, it's the internet, but I don't think it's very common. I would argue that anything that requires more clean up than the worst of the plastic sprues(more than horrific mold lines basically) does constitute enough of a problem that not much more further explanation is needed. For example, the only holes you get in plastic are when you mess up removing a piece from sprue or manage to cut a hole into it.

Funnily enough, I think any modeling issues may in fact be "first world problems" haha.

 Peregrine wrote:
I'm sorry you have such low standards. Perhaps you should get some real resin models from manufacturers who aren't completely incompetent? If you do you will suddenly realize why everyone hates finecast.

. Well, I myself am neutral about finecast. I really don't prefer it to metal, but as long as there is no imperfections in the mold then it is about the same to me as plastic.

Peregrine obviously came to this thread for the opposite of its purpose, don't know why he got so sad about me being happy with perfect quality models.

 Rippy wrote:
Peregrine obviously came to this thread for the opposite of its purpose, don't know why he got so sad about me being happy with perfect quality models.

I came here because your experience is the exception, not the rule. As you said in your OP:

After all the finecast hate threads I have seen, am I alone here?

The answer is yes, you're alone, or at least very close to it. Finecast is a horrible product and your positive experience with it is blind luck (or just not caring if your models are defective).

I'm quite happy with finecast, so no, he's not alone.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

DAaddict wrote:

1. 50% price increase at time of release when discontinuing metal. Excuse given that metal was too expensive. .

And Finecast is more expensive initially. Please see the rest of the thread.

So it is more expensive? Is it cheaper that doing a plastic mold? When you can make plastic necromancers and orc heroes, don't sell me finecrap.

DAaddict wrote:
I hope you like curley or warped parts...

No different than any other model part. Literally 10 seconds of running hot water fixes that. Good luck carving a Land Speeder out of a lead brick.

Hmm 3 to 4 " long piece with 1mm thick finecast. Maybe I can straighten it out just to watch it droop or snap off. Sorry it is a crap medium for thin pieces.

So do I assume no pithy remarks about the other points means you agree with weight sagging, poor quality control, brittleness and the fact that Forge World resin is better?

My core point is that IF GW can make quality limited run plastic models, why do I have to accept low quality Finecast?

Having never bought finecast, reading this thread has made me really glad that I scratchbuilt all my Ork HQs out of spare plastic bitz rather than shelling out $20 minimum for each. That said, is there any decent plastic alternative for things like MANz and kanz?

 -Loki- wrote:
I'm quite happy with finecast, so no, he's not alone.

Maybe they reserve all the good stuff for us guys down under then

Hmmm I'm divided on the Finecast so far.

I've got three now, a Tyrant Guard and two Hive Guard.

The Hive Guard are absolutely fine. The Tyrant Guard though, her ScyTals are definitely warped.

If I can choose between Metal and Finecast I'm fine with Finecast though. But if it goes between Finecast and Plastic, plastic please. If only because that means I can use Poly Cement which doesn't stick everything together except what you wanted to glue like the superglue does. I'm actually simply too clumsy to build Finecast

I'm just glad to hear that it is possible to get Finecast without flaws, because I hate the new Tau stealth suits so much I think I can live with minor bubbles/miscasts just so I don't have to look at those toasters with legs in my army.

 troa wrote:

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:


And a big ride on the fail boat to those who have posted hate for finecast and the model they complain about isn't even a finecast figure. I really believe that at least half the people who complain on the internet haven't really ever bought or painted a model, they just repeat the posts of others so they can sound like an expert.

And you know this second part how exactly? I can say the following with no justification, and it is made no more true. I don't believe this, I am merely using your same logic process to point out the flaw in it.

It doesn't have to be true for me to believe it. There is a certain amount of hyperbole in my statement, but I have been on enough forums to know that any topical forum has posers who talk the talk without ever having walked the walk, so to speak. The fact that several in this very thread have posted negative comments about finecast, and the models they mention aren't finecast, lends credence to my statement.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Backfire wrote:

Finecast isn't made on same molds as metal minis. They have new sprue which is made using original master model. Casting process appears to be distinctly different.

GW has claimed that Finecast models are actually more expensive to manufacture than old metal ones.

This is quite correct. The finecast material is cheaper than metal. A finecast mold is literally ten thousand times (or more) as expensive to produce as a mold for metal figures.

Finecast is a long term investment for them.

In my own personal experience with finecast models, they are neither higher or lower quality than any other miniatures ever produced. Some are perfect, some are garbage. But I've assembled second edition metal Land Speeders, so what do I care.

WTF????? A finecast mold cost literally 10k times more than a metal mold?? In this subject you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Molds for metal figures are made from vulcanized rubber or something similar, not very expensive at all. Likewise the molds for finecast are dirt cheap in the big scheme of things. Molds for injected plastic models on the other hand are very expensive.


Based on how many times I have read a post were someone said their model had serious problems or showed a picture illustrating the same, but went on to say they were OK with it because they could fix it, leads me to believe the rate of finecast feth ups is higher than reported on the forums. Also, quite a few people paint poorly or not at all and are probably not disturbed their greyish unpainted space marine has a few bubles here and there where I would rat the model as a failed casting.

Some people love finecast because they are noobish modellers and do not use the right kinds of adhesives or have the tools, patience or know how to properly pin metal models. I would like to compare some of these resin models to my properly built metal models in 10 years and see whose is still holding together and whose has broken/missing/sagging parts.

Ive had alot of good and bad models in finecast.

When you get a good model, its great to work with.
Really do prefer working with resin over metal.

Just had a bloodthirster turn up and its actually pretty damn crisp, with no bubbles or fuzzyness.
Only real issue is sections of the wings are like paper, but paint should seal it up just fine.

Also have 6 hive guards, all of which are perfect with no issues and not even a bubble.




Infact, the only recent issue ive had has been with bloody plastic, and that was melted sections of sprues on chaos hounds.

Never heard of people getting melted plastic before. Shame the only finecast left I need is another box of Obliterators. At least there is still some Forgeworld resin that I need

 Jackal wrote:

Infact, the only recent issue ive had has been with bloody plastic, and that was melted sections of sprues on chaos hounds.

It's unlikely top have been melted. More likely just not fully formed to begin with, where the plastic didn't completely fill the mould.

here's a good finecast summary http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/536755.page
these threads are common

kb305 wrote:
here's a good finecast summary http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/536755.page
these threads are common

My question was who else likes finecast, like myself, not how many threads are there with finecast hate. I have seen many of those threads.

 Peregrine wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
No different than any other model part. Literally 10 seconds of running hot water fixes that. Good luck carving a Land Speeder out of a lead brick.

I guess you missed the part where finecast models bend under their own weight because the material is so weak? Good luck fixing it with hot water once you've already painted it.

Its easy done. Just use a padio heater or light bulb ashe heat source and reshape, with a cup of cold water to cool it.


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For reference, I have done this.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
No different than any other model part. Literally 10 seconds of running hot water fixes that. Good luck carving a Land Speeder out of a lead brick.

I guess you missed the part where finecast models bend under their own weight because the material is so weak? Good luck fixing it with hot water once you've already painted it.

Its easy done. Just use a padio heater or light bulb ashe heat source and reshape, with a cup of cold water to cool it.


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For reference, I have done this.

That almost sounds like it would be better then using hot water for non-painted models as well, on a side note

It's unlikely top have been melted. More likely just not fully formed to begin with, where the plastic didn't completely fill the mould.

It was black and charred on most of the sprue.
It was melted.
Never had it before though.

Well that answered my question, there are plenty of people who do like finecast, the people who don't like it are just very vocal about it.

I've purchased 6 finecast pieces so far. 0 Issues with my purchases. I assure you I am extremely detailed and meticulous in my examinations and standards. I'm not trying to make a ridiculous statement, like my 6 experiences are enough to draw an overall judgement, but merely adding my experiences to the mix. The negative exposure is certainly highly publicized.

I've never not had an issue with a Finecast model, and I've bought piles of them in hopes that GW would get past their initial QC issues and start making good product out of their experimental hybrid polystyrene/resin compound.

They still can't consistently make it work. Combine the rising prices and falling quality with the steady prices and superior quality of Forgeworld and I've switched over for my model needs.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
I've never not had an issue with a Finecast model, and I've bought piles of them in hopes that GW would get past their initial QC issues and start making good product out of their experimental hybrid polystyrene/resin compound.

They still can't consistently make it work. Combine the rising prices and falling quality with the steady prices and superior quality of Forgeworld and I've switched over for my model needs.

Do you get replacements though? If not, GW wouldn't know there is a problem. If them replacing models started making them lose too much money, they might fix the problem.