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Reagen worked with both houses opposing him and still won the Cold War against da Russkies (and had 6% GDP growth).

Clinton reformed welfare and NAFTA, working with a Congress that actually tried to impeach him.

Bush's missions acomplished was a "we won" moment,

at best a celebration of a shared victory, at worst (more likely) a delusion of granduer.

Obama's tone is one of narcissim and condecending towards anyone who isnt on his side at best, at worst he is trolling the country/congress/ect.


not that one is better or worse then the other, but at least with bush I could laugh at him and say "what do you expect, hes an idiot" with obama... i dont have such an easy excuse for why hes so horrible... which is a shame because I really wanted to like the president this time :(

Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

 Frazzled wrote:
Reagen worked with both houses opposing him and still won the Cold War against da Russkies (and had 6% GDP growth).

Clinton reformed welfare and NAFTA, working with a Congress that actually tried to impeach him.

Common denominator: both Reagan and Clinton had oppposition in Congress that was willing to work with them on issues of mutual agreement.

 d-usa wrote:
Obama says "I win": most narcissistic statement by a president ever.

Bush getting himself flown to an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission accomplished" even though none of the actual reasons we went to war were accomplished, with the war going on for many more years afterwards and the majority of our soldiers getting killed after this picture was taken: doesn't do it for you.

And that's why nobody bothers anymore...

You might wanna read Bush's speech then... please point out where he said "Mission Accomplished™"?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/

In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” Here's some key bits of that speech:

--“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
--“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.”
--“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.”
--“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”

You're spinning D... hard.

 curran12 wrote:
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

Agreed.

 Frazzled wrote:
Reagen worked with both houses opposing him and still won the Cold War against da Russkies (and had 6% GDP growth).

Preach it brotha:

 curran12 wrote:
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

Ummm....I guess this is aimed at me???

The way I saw the video, it was a humorous appeal to Congress to work with him, rather than continue obstructionist tactics. At worst, it was an attempt to expose that tactic to voters, but I don't think that is a bad thing. If you're representatives are busy at work wasting your money on lawsuits that will go nowhere and the repeal of the ACA which will only ever be possible if Republicans gain simultaneous control the House, Senate, and White House, they are wasting your money and should be calle out on it, IMO.

 Frazzled wrote:
Clinton reformed welfare and NAFTA, working with a Congress that actually tried to impeach him.

Technically, they did impeach Clinton.

 curran12 wrote:
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.

 jasper76 wrote:
Yup. I said "by you and Ahtman".

Discalimer: Nothing in this post was intended to offend anyone. Nothing about this post is insincere; it is a simple statement of fact. Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.

Title: Obama the Most Gifted President in Living Memory at Making Congress Look Foolish

Content: I'm sure this could have infuriated the hardcore conservatives and Obama-haters out there, but I bet everyone else can't help but have a giggle. This guy has the ability to simultaenously enter the fray and stay above the fray.

it is a simple statement of fact.
No facts are in your title or content, just opinions. Learn a book.

Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here.
I believe this statement.

Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.
I do not believe this statement.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Obama says "I win": most narcissistic statement by a president ever.

Bush getting himself flown to an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission accomplished" even though none of the actual reasons we went to war were accomplished, with the war going on for many more years afterwards and the majority of our soldiers getting killed after this picture was taken: doesn't do it for you.

And that's why nobody bothers anymore...

You might wanna read Bush's speech then... please point out where he said "Mission Accomplished™"?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/

In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” Here's some key bits of that speech:

--“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
--“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.”
--“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.”
--“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”

You're spinning D... hard.

Are you, the King of "gotcha" and "how stuff feels is more important than anything" trying to say that context matters and that statements should not be evaluated in isolation?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.

I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.

So what's more productive, dakka dakka off topic, or congress/senate?

 Frazzled wrote:
Thanks Obama! You are surely America's greatest President.

Gallup July 28th in Presidency Approval
GW: 40%
Obama: 39%

#1 Dakka Member. I love you.

 juraigamer wrote:
So what's more productive, dakka dakka off topic, or congress/senate?

Damn... that's a tough one.

Dakka. We have better memes.

 Frazzled wrote:
Dakka. We have better memes.

at the end of the say, both do the same thing....


but we dont have to pay taxes to get dakka...


so dakka wins


also, everyone seems to want "Mo DAKKA!"

I have never heard someone say we need more congress or gubment

 kronk wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Yup. I said "by you and Ahtman".

Discalimer: Nothing in this post was intended to offend anyone. Nothing about this post is insincere; it is a simple statement of fact. Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.

Title: Obama the Most Gifted President in Living Memory at Making Congress Look Foolish

Content: I'm sure this could have infuriated the hardcore conservatives and Obama-haters out there, but I bet everyone else can't help but have a giggle. This guy has the ability to simultaenously enter the fray and stay above the fray.

it is a simple statement of fact.
No facts are in your title or content, just opinions. Learn a book.

Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here.
I believe this statement.

Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.


I do not believe this statement.

WTF...I was referring to my post:

Yup. I said "by you and Ahtman".

It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp. Taking a break from OT for a while. Cheers to everyone!

Edit: No need to be rude, I guess.

 kronk wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp.

Personal attack. Reported.

Cool move, dude.

I still likes you though.

 curran12 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.

I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.

I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.

Definitely not gonna disagree with ya there.

 jasper76 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp.

Personal attack. Reported.

Cool move, dude.

I still likes you though.

I like me, too! I'm as handsome as I am humble!

*hugs!*

Seriously, if this thread is getting you wound up, take a break, man. Don't log in for a week. We'll still be here, as rowdy as ever! Enjoy your summer!

You too.

Yeah, I've been called alot of names and accused of alot of things in this thread, and I admit it's placed me on the defensive and in reactive mode.

 easysauce wrote:

...


but we dont have to pay taxes to get dakka...

.... .....


If we can refrain from the general name calling and loud and dubious claims about other posters and the like then I won't have to kick anyone off the board today. Thanks

 kronk wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp.

Personal attack. Reported.

Cool move, dude.

I still likes you though.

I like me, too! I'm as handsome as I am humble!

*hugs!*

Seriously, if this thread is getting you wound up, take a break, man. Don't log in for a week. We'll still be here, as rowdy as ever! Enjoy your summer!

I like you too! (gives inappropriately long hug)

Thanks?

I'm going back to my progress report, now...

I'm pretty sure Obama has given up at this point and is just trolling Congress. The last decent president was Clinton. GW and Obama have been back to back disasters.

Clinton did not completely suck.

<-- Fairly conservative.

 curran12 wrote:

I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.

Absolutely... and then some curran. There's serious accusation that the news cycle are tempered by their favored party. (ie, Fox News = rigthy, Old Media Guard = lefty).

Here's a perfect, PERFECT example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/nyregion/us-attorney-warns-cuomo-on-ethics-case-.html?_r=0

The New York Times (not a "righty" news publication for sure) reports on a "sharply worded" letter to Governor Cuomo from the US Attorney leading the investigation.

Let's give The New York Times kudos for covering this story. This is happening in their backyard after all...

The rest of the national media? Ziltch. Nada.

Why not, I wonder?

This is a genuine corruption investigation of a sitting governor and a much-talked-about possible Democratic candidate for President.

To channel my inner-Bidenism: This is a big fething deal!

What is the missing "X Factor" here that makes this story so unsexy for the national media?
Conversely, what was that "X Factor" did the fake investigation of Scott Walker (potential Republican Presidential candidate) have that made it so appealing?
Likewise, what "X Factor" did Christie's Bridge Controversy (another potential Repub. Prez candidate)have that makes it more important than the shuttering of a commission investigating widespread political corruption in New York?

There is no plausible answer here except the obvious one.

Or, it's like that a certain former Senator from New York who is the frontrunner for the D nomination in 2016 have anything to do with it? /tin foil