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 j31c3n wrote:
Well, both Magnus and Curze basically laid back and said "go ahead, Loyalist, I don't mind at all if you kill me."

And neither Lorgar or Perturabo even liked being generals.

I thought Perturabo played what is essentially Warhammer 40k with his officers during spare time - even implied he was pretty much unbeatable at it.

 Zaki66 wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:
Well, both Magnus and Curze basically laid back and said "go ahead, Loyalist, I don't mind at all if you kill me."

And neither Lorgar or Perturabo even liked being generals.

I thought Perturabo played what is essentially Warhammer 40k with his officers during spare time - even implied he was pretty much unbeatable at it.

Yeah he did. I don't think he disliked being a general, he just didn't like the role he was typecast into constantly, and he enjoyed to build and create rather than destroy.

Damn right Pert was a good general.

He just hated constantly having to destroy things and build nothing but fortresses.

Perts actually one of my favourite Primarchs after Angel Exterminatus. I didn't care for the IW before that.

Angel Exterminatus painted him in a great light. It did for him what Unremembered Empire did for Guilliman.

For me, anyway.

KNF did it for me in terms of Guilliman haha, but yeah.

Wow the people who actually chose Pert as the worst general, FYI he strategized for other Primarchs, Especially inept ones such as Russ.

 Khonsu wrote:
Wow the people who actually chose Pert as the worst general, FYI he strategized for other Primarchs, Especially inept ones such as Russ.

You spelled Curze wrong.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Well we should look and draw comparsions now grandpa smurf is the worst loyalist primarch cos hes a smug arrogant little s!@#$ who else is overconfident tjinks hes better than the emporer horus.

He really isn't a smug arrogant whatever. He's always come across rather humble from what I've read. And there's a seperate thread for worst loyalist Primarch.

Guilliman is a humblebrag who's ''humility'' has always come of as false to me.

He is no less arrogant then his brothers but is more adept at hiding it most of the time.

Guilliman is a guy who will never openly and directly brag about his achievements but will make sure that you know about them.

godking wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Well we should look and draw comparsions now grandpa smurf is the worst loyalist primarch cos hes a smug arrogant little s!@#$ who else is overconfident tjinks hes better than the emporer horus.

He really isn't a smug arrogant whatever. He's always come across rather humble from what I've read. And there's a seperate thread for worst loyalist Primarch.

Guilliman is a humblebrag who's ''humility'' has always come of as false to me.

He is no less arrogant then his brothers but is more adept at hiding it most of the time.

Guilliman is a guy who will never openly and directly brag about his achievements but will make sure that you know about them.

You should read Unremembered Empire. His character came off as much more 'Captain Try-Hard' than 'General Did-A-Good-Job'

See he's not come across that way at all to me, he seems genuinely humble and almost embarrassed by his success. Also, he is a bloody good general/leader/administrator with an empire of 500 worlds, it's not as if any arrogance (whether its perceived or real) is unfounded.

Are you saying that in response to my post or the one where they claim Guilliman is a humblebrag?

You're agreeing with me, so I'll assume that was to humblebrag.

Yeah sorry, yours must've snuck in there while I was typing

 j31c3n wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
Angron could be distracted by a laser pointer, so most Guardsmen could deal with him.

If that's true, why didn't he die before the Heresy? If Angron was seriously that stupid, he wouldn't have survived.

It's a joke and not meant to be taken literally, thus the unreasonable comparison of Angron and a cat.

I am enjoying how there's not a single vote for Alpharius here!

 ChazSexington wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
Angron could be distracted by a laser pointer, so most Guardsmen could deal with him.

If that's true, why didn't he die before the Heresy? If Angron was seriously that stupid, he wouldn't have survived.

It's a joke and not meant to be taken literally, thus the unreasonable comparison of Angron and a cat.

I am enjoying how there's not a single vote for Alpharius here!

A surprising point given how prone he was to overcomplication lol

 Shidank wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:
Angron could be distracted by a laser pointer, so most Guardsmen could deal with him.

If that's true, why didn't he die before the Heresy? If Angron was seriously that stupid, he wouldn't have survived.

It's a joke and not meant to be taken literally, thus the unreasonable comparison of Angron and a cat.

I am enjoying how there's not a single vote for Alpharius here!

A surprising point given how prone he was to overcomplication lol

Yes, but he always has agents in the enemy camp to cover his feth ups.

Alpharius: So good, he could outplay himself.

Alpharius was at times the best of the traitors and at times the worst. He made things more complicated for himself but his ability to manipulate is brilliant so depends on when you were fighting him.

 Shidank wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Wow the people who actually chose Pert as the worst general, FYI he strategized for other Primarchs, Especially inept ones such as Russ.

You spelled Curze wrong.

Instead of Pert?

 Khonsu wrote:

 Shidank wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Wow the people who actually chose Pert as the worst general, FYI he strategized for other Primarchs, Especially inept ones such as Russ.

You spelled Curze wrong.

Instead of Pert?

Lol instead of Russ

Where's the Lion El Johnson option?

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Where's the Lion El Johnson option?

Oh, kitty's got claws. =P

The Lion wasn't SO bad...

Even if the Lion was a traitor, which he wasn't, he's nowhere near the worst general of them so...

One of the best out of all the Primarchs, actually.

Agreed. And I don't even like the Lion!

It's insanely easy to dislike the Lion. Still, I have to give the giant D-bag major props on his skills.

 Shidank wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:

 Shidank wrote:

 Khonsu wrote:
Wow the people who actually chose Pert as the worst general, FYI he strategized for other Primarchs, Especially inept ones such as Russ.

You spelled Curze wrong.

Instead of Pert?

Lol instead of Russ

Curze was a bad general?
You know Russ' Legion WITH the aid of the Sisters of Silence WITH Custodes backing him up had a very hard time against the Thousand Sons' defence on Prospero, And they weren't even helped by Magnus.
Bear in mind the Thousand Sons were the smallest Legion and only when Russ himself took to the fight did he turn the tide.

IMO The Night Lords and the Alpha Legion are like the "ultra cool guy hipster Legions" anyways, The Night Lords are practically Space Marine pranksters and the Alpha Legions' plots are way too convoluted.

Curze is a bad general yes.

Russ and the Wolves were attacking a Legion who were both dug in and on their home turf, and were also incredibly potent psykers which is a pretty big equaliser. Even with the Custodes and SoS, they were at quite a disadvantage. Also, the Thousand Sons weren't the smallest legion. The Raven Guard were the smalles legion at 80,000 so the Thousand Sons are still a pretty damn big force. Russ did pretty okay in that situation.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Curze is a bad general yes.

Russ and the Wolves were attacking a Legion who were both dug in and on their home turf, and were also incredibly potent psykers which is a pretty big equaliser. Even with the Custodes and SoS, they were at quite a disadvantage. Also, the Thousand Sons weren't the smallest legion. The Raven Guard were the smalles legion at 80,000 so the Thousand Sons are still a pretty damn big force. Russ did pretty okay in that situation.

I'd recheck, The Thousand Sons were 10,000 Marines at their prime, Besides they weren't dug in comparatively speaking, They had no Orbital Defences and Prospero was basically neglected defence-wise.
Saying the Wolves were at a disadvantage is preposterous at best, Do not exaggerate.

Russ did bad, SoS AND CUSTODES ON HIS SIDE!!!
you know what Custodes are and how powerful they are?
Do you know SoS basically counter psychic powers, The Sons' entire shtick?
Besides having the flesh change transform many of their marines into Spawn...

Angron has the nails as his excuse, Besides showing himself to be intelligent when he managed to suppress them, What is Russ' excuse?

And How is Curze a bad general?
I seriously want examples.

Seriously, the Raven Guard are the smallest legion at 80,000. It's in Extermination, it literally says the words 'the Raven Guard were the smallest legion'. All the numbers have been bumped up more recently, since Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns were written. So there wasn't that much less Thousand Sons than there were SW (SW are around 110000 or something I think, TS are at least 80000). And yes, thank you very much, I know about both the SoS and Custodes. But they were still assaulting a planet, and do we even know how many Custodes/SoS there actually were?

Seriously, Russ did a pretty good job at the razing of Prospero. He hardly did anything wrong did he.

As for Curze, he literally hated his legionnaires, didn't care what they did, and had little to no control over them.

Why has everyone got so aggressive around here? Jesus.