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Yeah why not, it's weird how in Jurassic science, apparently no DNA survived from Cenozoic...

Perhaps the reason they need these specific Dino's DNA is because they are from species that don't exist off this island. We know that site B had Dino's that weren't on the Park island, and now one island got killed off by a volcano. Site C might contain the species that are too big to contain/transport, the ultra dangerous, or simply the ones that aren't crowd pleasers (they are a business after all).

On the trailer they were seen trying to get DNA from a giant Pterosaur, which brings another pet peeve of mine in Jurassic franchise: anything which is vaguely reptilian is called 'dinosaur'.

Plus they could just collect feces if they want DNA...

I just had this pointed out to me: in the trailer they mention they are near Barbados. That puts them on the Atlantic side of South America. They other Islands are in the Pacific. What are the chances this isn't even an old Ingen facility? Could it be a rival company's island?

The Camp Cretaceous series has them end up on a rival company’s secret dinosaur island for one season.

So, having recently read the Jurassic Park novel for the first time, I recall that the people behind this movie mentioned being able to use something from that novel that they couldn't do before?

Is it the compies eating babies in their cribs?

 BrookM wrote:
So, having recently read the Jurassic Park novel for the first time, I recall that the people behind this movie mentioned being able to use something from that novel that they couldn't do before?

Is it the compies eating babies in their cribs?

That would definitely make for a haunting setup. Then again, the novel is vastly different from the original movie, so this could refer to anything. I'm not familiar with that interview, did they get more specific than that?

 BertBert wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
So, having recently read the Jurassic Park novel for the first time, I recall that the people behind this movie mentioned being able to use something from that novel that they couldn't do before?

Is it the compies eating babies in their cribs?

That would definitely make for a haunting setup. Then again, the novel is vastly different from the original movie, so this could refer to anything. I'm not familiar with that interview, did they get more specific than that?

Nope, they kept it vague.

And yeah, the novel is so different from the movie in many ways, not to mention how some characters survive and others don't. I mean, the book lawyer was pretty badass considering he was scared most of the time, but still did a lot of dangerous stuff helping out. Also, a drunk Muldoon blowing up raptors with an RPG, the only lethal weapon they were allowed to have due to sparing no expense.

I still remember being mildly furious both that Malcolm dies off screen and then gets retconned at the start of the next book.

 LunarSol wrote:
I still remember being mildly furious both that Malcolm dies off screen and then gets retconned at the start of the next book.

To be fair, they are told he died. It could just be government disinformation.

I just thought Malcolm was a poor choice to send back into the fray. I think Crichton should have introduced an entirely new cast.

But that's just a sticking point for me, as books become less edge of your seat, when you have characters you know will survive.

 BrookM wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
So, having recently read the Jurassic Park novel for the first time, I recall that the people behind this movie mentioned being able to use something from that novel that they couldn't do before?

Is it the compies eating babies in their cribs?

That would definitely make for a haunting setup. Then again, the novel is vastly different from the original movie, so this could refer to anything. I'm not familiar with that interview, did they get more specific than that?

Nope, they kept it vague.

And yeah, the novel is so different from the movie in many ways, not to mention how some characters survive and others don't. I mean, the book lawyer was pretty badass considering he was scared most of the time, but still did a lot of dangerous stuff helping out. Also, a drunk Muldoon blowing up raptors with an RPG, the only lethal weapon they were allowed to have due to sparing no expense.

It’s been a while since I read it, but there’s definitely a section with an internal monologue of Wu bemoaning that Hammond wouldn’t let him tweak the genome to make the “dinosaurs” slower and less…terrifying. The key point is that he knew damn well that they hadn’t bred actual dinosaurs, they were mainly genetically engineered creatures, with only fragments of actual dinosaur DNA. It’s something that’s been hinted at in previous films (particularly World), but maybe something to explore more explicitly?

"Real" dinosaurs wouldn't be able to survive today, even in the most ideal conditions we could give them. During their time oxygen levels of Earth were vastly greater. It would be like having an Olympic athlete in an Oxygen deprivation chamber. It's most of the reason insects back then could be 2 feet long and weight 3 pounds.

That was a different era, wasn’t it? Well before Dinosaurs?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That was a different era, wasn’t it? Well before Dinosaurs?

The Age of the Dinosaurs had a higher oxygen content (thus bigger creatures roamed around), at least this is what I know from reading 7 Steve Alten MEG and.Loch novels.

Giant insects defo came before Dinosaurs evolved.

The rest I’ll look into

 BrookM wrote:
So, having recently read the Jurassic Park novel for the first time, I recall that the people behind this movie mentioned being able to use something from that novel that they couldn't do before?

Is it the compies eating babies in their cribs?

I think it's actually the rafting scene that they're referring to. There are a couple of shots of inflatable rafts in the teasers, and the shot of the T-rex trying to grab someone underwater.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I just thought Malcolm was a poor choice to send back into the fray. I think Crichton should have introduced an entirely new cast.

A new cast, or sticking with Grant & Sattler as the protagonists, rather than Malcolm. I like Jeff Goldblum, but Ian Malcolm was a character I found really, really annoying, and it makes it hard to enjoy TLW.

Although I found him considerably less irritating in Dominion... Not sure if that's the character being less annoying, or me being less irritable these days.

My problem with Ian Malcolm as a character is he is kind of a somebody in the wrong place which makes him mostly a nobody

You're opening a dinosaur theme park so you invite your financial legal advisor; a family of renowned and skilled dinosaur archaeologists and a mathematician who is focused on chaos theory so basically a weatherman.

He just doesn't really "fit" in the cast at all; made worse by the fact that he basically spends most of the film injured doing not very much other than saying "I told you so - all my years of studying maths told you something chaotic would go wrong" and the "life finds a way" line.

2nd film he actually DOES something even though again its kind of questionable why he's involved as, again, he didn't really DO very much in the first film and he isn't a renowned dinosaur expert either.


It's not a Jeff problem, he's a great actor. It's just a WHY in my mind as to why he was important in the first place and why people keep coming back to him when basically any park ranger from the 1st island (of which there should have been quite a few since basically all the staff survived because they weren't on the island during the tropical storm); would have done the job and probably better

Honestly he'd have done better just being some insanely rich investor who likes to tag along on his investment projects and just helps bankroll things.




I think in a way that's why he's irritating sometimes because he doesn't really "fit" and his whole thing is just being "something will go horribly wrong" which you kind of know because you're watching a film about it in the first place

Nah, he fits perfectly. I couldn’t open my Leopard Safari Petting Zoo until I had a mathematician prove the cardinality for the infinite set of things that could go wrong was the same as for the set of things prevented from going wrong. Unfortunately for all those tourists, it was not.

Turns out he was just a statistician.

 cuda1179 wrote:
"Real" dinosaurs wouldn't be able to survive today, even in the most ideal conditions we could give them. During their time oxygen levels of Earth were vastly greater. It would be like having an Olympic athlete in an Oxygen deprivation chamber. It's most of the reason insects back then could be 2 feet long and weight 3 pounds.

You're talking about the big ones.

Any dino the size of an elephant could theoretically survive our current atmosphere... but that's about it.

Still a lot of scary, cool dinos the size of elephants or smaller!

I'm stoked. I love horror movies, and really wished the JP franchise would just lean into the horror more.

 whembly wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
"Real" dinosaurs wouldn't be able to survive today, even in the most ideal conditions we could give them. During their time oxygen levels of Earth were vastly greater. It would be like having an Olympic athlete in an Oxygen deprivation chamber. It's most of the reason insects back then could be 2 feet long and weight 3 pounds.

You're talking about the big ones.

Any dino the size of an elephant could theoretically survive our current atmosphere... but that's about it.

Still a lot of scary, cool dinos the size of elephants or smaller!
.

Actually even those would likely have problems in today's atmosphere since their whole breathing evolution and adaptation would be designed to operate at those richer concentrations of oxygen. Take that away and even smaller dinosaurs from that time could be unable to function at their best and might be breathless the whole time.

I don't think a professional in the vein of Ian Malcolm is a bad fit. The investors send a lawyer to cover legal considerations, a paleontologist and paleobotanist for all the biological nonsense and someone not from a related field who specializes in general risk assessment. His job is to point out problems others are too focused on their fields to see. From an investor perspective it makes sense. They would want to cover all angles. There is a lot of money at stake, after all. It's just that Malcolm specifically exhibits an excess of personality. That makes him more questionable as a person than as a professional, really.

 whembly wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
"Real" dinosaurs wouldn't be able to survive today, even in the most ideal conditions we could give them. During their time oxygen levels of Earth were vastly greater. It would be like having an Olympic athlete in an Oxygen deprivation chamber. It's most of the reason insects back then could be 2 feet long and weight 3 pounds.

You're talking about the big ones.

Any dino the size of an elephant could theoretically survive our current atmosphere... but that's about it.

Still a lot of scary, cool dinos the size of elephants or smaller!

I'm stoked. I love horror movies, and really wished the JP franchise would just lean into the horror more.

Sure, dinos the size of elephants could evolve at our oxygen level, but they evolved at their level, which means their lungs evolved to handle what they needed at that time. At best, a perfect clone would be wheezing and gasping. It would be like us with one lung removed.

 Geifer wrote:
I don't think a professional in the vein of Ian Malcolm is a bad fit. The investors send a lawyer to cover legal considerations, a paleontologist and paleobotanist for all the biological nonsense and someone not from a related field who specializes in general risk assessment. His job is to point out problems others are too focused on their fields to see. From an investor perspective it makes sense. They would want to cover all angles. There is a lot of money at stake, after all. It's just that Malcolm specifically exhibits an excess of personality. That makes him more questionable as a person than as a professional, really.

Indeed, Malcolm is there to be the straight man while everyone else is oohing and ahhing or being self congratulatory about what they've achieved. Which he does incredibly quickly in both film and especially the book as he basically tears the park apart with how badly it works.

I kind of wish they hadn't made Hammond so squeaky clean. It could have lead to some interesting story lines. The "spare no expense" line? No, not so much. He cut every corner in workplace safety and redundant systems. And in the book Ned Deedry (I'm stealing DNA in a shaving cream can) from the first movie was A LOT more justified. Hammond basically blacklisted him from working anywhere else and forced him to do a ton of work he was never hired to do without a pay increase.

 Overread wrote:

Actually even those would likely have problems in today's atmosphere since their whole breathing evolution and adaptation would be designed to operate at those richer concentrations of oxygen. Take that away and even smaller dinosaurs from that time could be unable to function at their best and might be breathless the whole time.

This is not correct. Indeed it was once thought that oxygen levels in Earths' atmosphere were higher during the time of dinosaurs (I think it is even referred once in Jurassic Park novel IIRC, that for large dinosaurs modern atmosphere is like living in high altitudes). However modern consensus is that during Triassic and Jurassic, oxygen levels were actually lower than today, and only increased to 20+% in Cretaceous period.

Earlier, during Carboniferous period, it is generally agreed that oxygen concentrations were somewhat higher (perhaps up to 30% or more), and this may have helped insects of the era grow so large. However, some studies dispute even this, arguing that the O2 levels were only about 20%.

Part of the problem is that the “age of dinosaurs” is an almost inconceivably long period of time, with vast geological and atmospheric changes. The end Cretaceous (T-rex, etc.) are closer to us than the actual Jurassic.

I love deep time, it bends your mind!

Its stated specifically in the films that all the JP dinosaurs are made to be able to live in our world and look as we want them to look - they probably are as similar to "real" dinosaurs as engineered unicorns would be to horses

So they’ve confirmed what scene from the original book they’re bringing back for this movie.

Yes, that's in one of the teasers.

Do we know if any actors from previous installments are returning?