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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They changed their standard size because no one was making 32mm bases and everyone and their dog's dog's dog was making resin 28mm bases. GW hates 3rd parties in all their forms, seeing them as parasites rather than symbiotic creatures they are, and thus went out of their way to make a new base size.

They're still doing it BTW. We've had a lot of new base sizes in the past few years.



This feels like a weird interpretation when we had models whose feet were hanging off of bases.

   
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 Laughing Man wrote:
You did, when you brought up the industry standard that they supposedly changed.
You are wilfully misinterpreting me for... reasons that remain a mystery.

 Crimson wrote:
No, they added new base sizes because they fit the models better.
And it took them that long to get around to it? Uh-huh.

They did it to cut out third party base makers. Same way they went to no model/no rule after the CHS debacle.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
This feels like a weird interpretation when we had models whose feet were hanging off of bases.
For years and years and years and suddenly they change it? They had all the time in the world to make bigger bases, but only did it once the market was saturated with third party resin scenic 25mm bases?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Laughing Man wrote:
You did, when you brought up the industry standard that they supposedly changed.
You are wilfully misinterpreting me for... reasons that remain a mystery.

 Crimson wrote:
No, they added new base sizes because they fit the models better.
And it took them that long to get around to it? Uh-huh.

They did it to cut out third party base makers. Same way they went to no model/no rule after the CHS debacle.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
This feels like a weird interpretation when we had models whose feet were hanging off of bases.
For years and years and years and suddenly they change it? They had all the time in the world to make bigger bases, but only did it once the market was saturated with third party resin scenic 25mm bases?



This seems like a strench. 28,5mm seem more like a ploy to move out of 25mm.

The only difference of course is that they still have miniatures in 25mm. And a ton of those.

Why did they had 25mm bases for so long? For the same time they had squatting disproportionated marines for so long.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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OK, folks, let's move the base discussion to 40K General (Relevant thread here and let this one move back to the actual topic - new Orks.

 
   
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Just getting back into the hobby. Just finished stripping and repainting all my Orks from 6th edition. New boyz announced right after i put in an order for another box of boyz and a start collecting box
Much to do…
   
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StewMan Group wrote:
Just getting back into the hobby. Just finished stripping and repainting all my Orks from 6th edition. New boyz announced right after i put in an order for another box of boyz and a start collecting box
Much to do…


Save them and sell them as a collector's item in a few years, in case the new kit is either terrible or way too expensive to justify
   
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 StewMan Group wrote:
Just getting back into the hobby. Just finished stripping and repainting all my Orks from 6th edition. New boyz announced right after i put in an order for another box of boyz and a start collecting box
Much to do…


Or commingle them with the older sets and make a cool mix of ork breeds!


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I wonder if they will update all the models or just the ork boyz, nobz and other smaller figures.
I am still considering picking up the current vehicle kits.

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I hope they don't update the Nobz. That kit is perfect already but I haven't had the time, money and space to get enough of them yet. And as a CSM player I've learned to fear updated minis...
   
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Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.
   
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Domandi wrote:
Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.


Ork Nobz are from 2009. The boyz were originally released in 1999, but were repackaged with a new heavy weapons, 'ard boyz and nob sprue in 2008.

The only ork model as old as boyz is the warboss with big choppa, wo is getting a pretty awesome successor.

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 Jidmah wrote:
Domandi wrote:
Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.


Ork Nobz are from 2009. The boyz were originally released in 1999, but were repackaged with a new heavy weapons, 'ard boyz and nob sprue in 2008.

The only ork model as old as boyz is the warboss with big choppa, wo is getting a pretty awesome successor.



Yeah they're pretty ancient. I think the only models available that are older would be Warp Spiders from back in 95-96 that dont have alternatives?

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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Domandi wrote:
Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.


Ork Nobz are from 2009. The boyz were originally released in 1999, but were repackaged with a new heavy weapons, 'ard boyz and nob sprue in 2008.

The only ork model as old as boyz is the warboss with big choppa, wo is getting a pretty awesome successor.



Yeah they're pretty ancient. I think the only models available that are older would be Warp Spiders from back in 95-96 that dont have alternatives?


Baharroth is partially from 1990.
Servitors are from 1993.
Warp Spiders, Avatar of Khaine, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, the other half of Baharroth, Maugan Ra, Warlock with Witchblade, Warlock with Spear, Shining Spears jetbikes, Autarch Skyrunner, Vyper and the Falcon are from 1994.
The other Warlock with Witchblade, the Guardian Squad and Shining Spears riders are from 1999.
The IG Basilisk is partially from 1996, but had some parts replaced with new ones in 2003.
Catachan Jungle Fighters are from 1999.
Khorne 'Zerkers and Chaos Bikers are from 1999.

You underestimate how much absolutely ancient gak GW still sells.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Baharroth is partially from 1990.
Servitors are from 1993.
Warp Spiders, Avatar of Khaine, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, the other half of Baharroth, Maugan Ra, Warlock with Witchblade, Warlock with Spear, Shining Spears jetbikes, Autarch Skyrunner, Vyper and the Falcon are from 1994.
The other Warlock with Witchblade, the Guardian Squad and Shining Spears riders are from 1999.
The IG Basilisk is partially from 1996, but had some parts replaced with new ones in 2003.
Catachan Jungle Fighters are from 1999.
Khorne 'Zerkers and Chaos Bikers are from 1999.

You underestimate how much absolutely ancient gak GW still sells.

Yeah many infantry in the Eldar range are older than the people playing them. I believe the oldest in circulation are the wings on the swooping hawks which are the same mould from 87 but cut in half so they can be more posable.

 Blastum wrote:

I wonder if they will update all the models or just the ork boyz, nobz and other smaller figures.
I am still considering picking up the current vehicle kits.

I'd be surprised if they update the Ork vehicle kits. The modern trukk is world's different from the old Gorkamorka ones and the Battlewagons are still fantastic my opinion. I think we're more likely to see fun one off vehicles in the same vein as the Shokkjumpa dragsta or the Wartrike than any replacements.

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 Jidmah wrote:
Domandi wrote:
Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.


Ork Nobz are from 2009. The boyz were originally released in 1999, but were repackaged with a new heavy weapons, 'ard boyz and nob sprue in 2008.

The only ork model as old as boyz is the warboss with big choppa, wo is getting a pretty awesome successor.


Metal deffkopta and Mad Dok Grotsnik are also 20ish yo old now. I got the current model of Grotsnik (in metal though) during 3rd edition, just like the aforementioned warboss with big choppa.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


You underestimate how much absolutely ancient gak GW still sells.


Space Wolves rune priest in terminator armour is another ancient model from the 90s, still on the catalogue.

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The Eldar range is in such dire need of a complete redo its actually insane.

Now Necrons have had their redo and Orks are on the way, can the Xenos army with the really insanely old models get one please lol?
   
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 Blackie wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Domandi wrote:
Is the nob kit as old as the boyz kit? I know there are the single pose ones from black reach box. Still, I would be surprised if they redid nobz as well.


Ork Nobz are from 2009. The boyz were originally released in 1999, but were repackaged with a new heavy weapons, 'ard boyz and nob sprue in 2008.

The only ork model as old as boyz is the warboss with big choppa, wo is getting a pretty awesome successor.


Metal deffkopta and Mad Dok Grotsnik are also 20ish yo old now. I got the current model of Grotsnik (in metal though) during 3rd edition, just like the aforementioned warboss with big choppa.

I'm pretty sure that since the demise of the Buggy a couple of years ago, the metal Kopta became the oldest Ork kit; it precedes the current-style Boyz kit and the Choppa Warboss by a year or two as it was originally released for Gorkamorka, which pre-dates 3rd edition (the Boyz kit didn't come along until the 3E Ork Codex – the Orks in the 3E BRB are all those horrible post-Kev-Adams Gorkamorka ones, hands-down the worst Ork models GW have ever produced)


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 dan2026 wrote:
The Eldar range is in such dire need of a complete redo its actually insane.

Now Necrons have had their redo and Orks are on the way, can the Xenos army with the really insanely old models get one please lol?

Given that we've had new Necron Warriors, updated Guard AND new Boyz, I'll be very surprised if we don't see some Eldar updates when their time rolls around. Personally I think, bar the bear heads, the Guardians are actually kinda fine and would be much more enthused about Aspect Warriors and the Avatar getting plastic kits.

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The update to Howling Banshees was most appreciated and pretty damn good, but they need to get the rest out of resin hell.

I'm kinda shocked they haven't done at least one more by now, considering they have five more to do at this point, not including the FW one or the bikers.


However aye, there are still models floating around I brought the first time around.

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 dan2026 wrote:
The Eldar range is in such dire need of a complete redo its actually insane.

Now Necrons have had their redo and Orks are on the way, can the Xenos army with the really insanely old models get one please lol?
Haha, yes, there were some good old kits but I'm still mystified that the avatar, warlocks, and phoenix lords are still around from 2nd. And even though some of their old plastics like the vyper and falcon haven't aged horribly, they're still ancient kits (are there any older plastics still in production?)


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 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
The update to Howling Banshees was most appreciated and pretty damn good, but they need to get the rest out of resin hell.

I'm kinda shocked they haven't done at least one more by now, considering they have five more to do at this point, not including the FW one or the bikers.


However aye, there are still models floating around I brought the first time around.


Shining spears could be done as an upgrade sprue added to the jet bike box, like they just did for cadians.
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Warp Spiders, Avatar of Khaine, Asurmen, Karandras, Fuegan, the other half of Baharroth, Maugan Ra, Warlock with Witchblade, Warlock with Spear, Shining Spears jetbikes, Autarch Skyrunner, Vyper and the Falcon are from 1994.


Point of order - the Autarch Skyrunner, Vyper and Falcon aren't from 1994.

1994 is the 2nd edition Eldar 'dex - the Falcon wasn't in there, and the Vyper didn't have a model at the time (though it was in the army list - including a fighting platform version, IIRC). The concept of the Autarch wasn't even a thing then, let alone included in the codex - I think the Autarch concept debuts in the Epic Armageddon source book Swordwind, and given Epic Armageddon didn't release until 2003...

Looking at the catalogues listed on Stuff of Legends, the Vyper and Falcon seem to show up first in the 1998 Annual.

I'm not arguing that they're not old kits, but at least quote the right information about them.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:


Looking at the catalogues listed on Stuff of Legends, the Vyper and Falcon seem to show up first in the 1998 Annual.

I'm not arguing that they're not old kits, but at least quote the right information about them.


They were released in March / Nov 1997 respectively. Still have the original White Dwarf issues
   
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 xttz wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:


Looking at the catalogues listed on Stuff of Legends, the Vyper and Falcon seem to show up first in the 1998 Annual.

I'm not arguing that they're not old kits, but at least quote the right information about them.


They were released in March / Nov 1997 respectively. Still have the original White Dwarf issues


I do too. Even remember how that shut up some people who were previously arguing that Eldar wouldn't use tanks (nevermind that they already had the old wedge Falcon in Epic).
   
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 Nazrak wrote:
I'm pretty sure that since the demise of the Buggy a couple of years ago, the metal Kopta became the oldest Ork kit; it precedes the current-style Boyz kit and the Choppa Warboss by a year or two as it was originally released for Gorkamorka, which pre-dates 3rd edition (the Boyz kit didn't come along until the 3E Ork Codex – the Orks in the 3E BRB are all those horrible post-Kev-Adams Gorkamorka ones, hands-down the worst Ork models GW have ever produced)

The kopta was released in 2000, the current boyz sculpts and the warboss were released 1999.


Given that we've had new Necron Warriors, updated Guard AND new Boyz, I'll be very surprised if we don't see some Eldar updates when their time rolls around. Personally I think, bar the bear heads, the Guardians are actually kinda fine and would be much more enthused about Aspect Warriors and the Avatar getting plastic kits.


If they can give a metric ton of models to necrons and orks, they totally can update guardians, avatar and a bunch of aspect warriors at once.

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The guy of my GW local store told me that "he listened" the changes will be to the majority of infantry units. I asked him if lootas/burnas would change, he said no, but old models and units with no plastic model (kommandos, tankbustas).

I don't know if I have to trust him, but he said this

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Jidmah wrote:
The kopta was released in 2000


No, Dregmek Blitzkart (or Blitzkarre in German) was released 1998 - in Germany with WD 27 (March) together with the Rebel Grots.

Nazrak wrote:the Orks in the 3E BRB are all those horrible post-Kev-Adams Gorkamorka ones, hands-down the worst Ork models GW have ever produced)


I liked them a lot more than the older comical ones.
   
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 Dryaktylus wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
The kopta was released in 2000


No, Dregmek Blitzkart (or Blitzkarre in German) was released 1998 - in Germany with WD 27 (March) together with the Rebel Grots.


Ah, I see. That explains why it didn't appear in the 1999 catalogue.

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So is the current Boyz kit from far as 1999 or was it updated when the 4ed was launched? If its from 1999 I am actually quite impressed.
   
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 Sotahullu wrote:
So is the current Boyz kit from far as 1999 or was it updated when the 4ed was launched? If its from 1999 I am actually quite impressed.


The updated was just them tossing in another sprue for the Nob and some additional weapons IIRC, aka how the GW just "updated" Cadians.

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