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CptJake wrote:Some folks are talking about constantly moving from place to place. Where and how do you think you are going to train a dog?

Have you ever worked at training a dog or worked with trained dogs and see what is involved with keeping them trained?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Personally too much could go wrong with having a dog, so I doubt if such an apocalypse were to occur I would bring a dog.

Obviously in a Post Apocalyptic world, someone will find a place for Man's Best Friend:



But I have dogs (and horses and a goat....) Keeping dogs is not easy. Keeping trained dogs is not easy. Training dogs, especially for attack and guard type tasks is downright hard and requires a lot of knowledge and decent facilities and lots of resources.

Jake

CptJake wrote:Some folks are talking about constantly moving from place to place. Where and how do you think you are going to train a dog?

Have you ever worked at training a dog or worked with trained dogs and see what is involved with keeping them trained?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Hey it worked for Mad Max right? Right?

Though sometimes you get really lucky and get a dog that is very easy to train. My buddy has a blue heeler mix that is so smart naturally, that he barely ever had to train it. It would heel, sit, play dead, roll over, and it would not eat food out of it's dish until it's master gave the OK. I asked him how long it took to train her and he said that he never really did. She is just naturally smart, and picks up on things very easy. I know this is quite rare but I have known a few dogs that are like this. My other buddy who used to work construction brought his dog with him on every job. His dog would grab his tool box out of the truck and drag it along with them, and he never once trained her to do it. She just saw him grab the tool box every day so one day she decided to just grab it and carry it for hm.

I agree though that properly training a dog takes time and it is best done from when it is a puppy. I guess the idea would be to train one now and always keep a dog on hand that is trained just in case.

Training attack dogs, especially dogs you want to attack a specific way, is a little different. A smart dog obviously helps, which is one reason certain breeds are used.

CptJake wrote:Training attack dogs, especially dogs you want to attack a specific way, is a little different. A smart dog obviously helps, which is one reason certain breeds are used.

I am sure it is different, but most loyal dogs would attack if their master were to be in any danger. My dogs growing up never let a single person near my car. Once I got the dog out of the car he was fine, but when he was in it, he was guarding his master's car. Though I have never trained an "attack dog," so I cannot say for sure. I think training a dog to obey every command is what helps the most. Just my opinoin, life long dog owner, not a dog trainer.

This is slightly OT, but I was wondering what, if any, zombie films you folks would consider " must see"...
Think of them as "training films"...
My list would include ( In no particular order)...

Night of the Living Dead ( the original of course)
Dawn of the Dead ( Original)
Day of the Dead ( Original)
Land of the Dead ( yes I'm serious)
Zombie ( Lucio Fulci)
Colin

and on a humorous side..

Fido
Shaun of the Dead.
Zombieland

And...even though they're not "real" zombies

28 Days/ Weeks Later.

I like all those but 2, and thats only because I havnt seen them. Colin and Zombie. Netflix maybe?

Zombieland is a good movie.

Crom: I keep hearing you giving the upper class and CEO's gak about their pay, what I havent heard you or 90% of the people that complain about the rich is sports players. These are people that basically(other than add entertainment) add nothing to society, even though many jobs are associated with sports. CEO's on the other hand run companies(no easy feat) and make sure that employees have jobs. I would say if a CEO is doing a good job running the company and it is turning a profit, he/she deserves all the money they get.

Coolyo: unfortunately zion is nothing like in honest hearts, it is a valley with really steep cliffs on the sides and it closes at one end(protection), it has a creek that runs straight through it that is spring fed(so fresh water source and no back entrance!). It has a small town that is at the mouth of the valley where supplies could be gathered from for a while. And if a hoard of zombies somehow made their way to zion and could not be held off, there is a mountainish rock that is about 1000 feet high with a very small trail leading to the top with no other entrance where survivors could hold any sized hoarde as long as supplies lasted because it is basically impossible to climb the sides and a few people with shotguns could hold a 4 foot wide path, plus it would be easy to booby trap. I personally believe zion is the perfect place to hole up in zombie wasteland!

dajobe wrote:Coolyo: unfortunately zion is nothing like in honest hearts, it is a valley with really steep cliffs on the sides and it closes at one end(protection), it has a creek that runs straight through it that is spring fed(so fresh water source and no back entrance!). It has a small town that is at the mouth of the valley where supplies could be gathered from for a while. And if a hoard of zombies somehow made their way to zion and could not be held off, there is a mountainish rock that is about 1000 feet high with a very small trail leading to the top with no other entrance where survivors could hold any sized hoarde as long as supplies lasted because it is basically impossible to climb the sides and a few people with shotguns could hold a 4 foot wide path, plus it would be easy to booby trap. I personally believe zion is the perfect place to hole up in zombie wasteland!

This bodes extremely well for me.

yes, it does, plus its justs an awesome looking place!!!

FITZZ wrote: This is slightly OT, but I was wondering what, if any, zombie films you folks would consider " must see"...
Think of them as "training films"...
My list would include ( In no particular order)...

Night of the Living Dead ( the original of course)
Dawn of the Dead ( Original)
Day of the Dead ( Original)
Land of the Dead ( yes I'm serious)
Zombie ( Lucio Fulci)
Colin

and on a humorous side..

Fido
Shaun of the Dead.
Zombieland

And...even though they're not "real" zombies

28 Days/ Weeks Later.

While not a film(its anime), high school of the dead is not bad as far as trying to get out of dodge in a city(though the odds of finding an AR in a japanese city are undoubtedly slim to none)

I think i'd be fethed in a Zombie apocalypse, as due to a Neurological disorder i've had since birth, i can only walk at a limp with assistance of my cane, House style. Although there was that one episode where he fought zombies

"Good thing i brought my axe cane." (With shotgun attachment.)

with gadgets like that, you could take down...OVER 9000 ZOMBIES!

I don't see professional athletes getting billions of dollars a year in tax credits and loop holes...This isn't about hard work, or what they deserve. The facts are clear as day. The business sector is sitting on 2 trillion dollars right now, the lowest taxes and interest rates in a super long time, and they are not creating jobs. CEO pay is up nearly 40% and they keep crying to the government for more tax breaks so they can create jobs. What is funny is that the SCOTUS once ruled that a publicly traded company has a duty to it's share holders, not it's employees, CEOs, etc. It would be interesting if share holders got to vote on upper management pay raises. I don't see professional athletes doing this. If they don't pay their taxes, they go to jail, or leave the country. If a company skips out on taxes, they have zero repercussions.

The only reason I brought up the rich and upper class is that their privatized security forces would most likely horde resources in an apocalypse. Imagine them taking over a clean water well, or another needed resource and then not sharing it, or perhaps sharing it for a price. Some of the higher end privatized security forces are armed like military personnel. The rich will have a huge advantage is such a situation. Though, there is always the xfactor of humans being humans. Who is to say the security forces won't mutiny?

Crom wrote:
If a company skips out on taxes, they have zero repercussions.

WTF? and now i will pretend i never heard that...

A very fast google search will show results which discredit that claim.

Otherwise pretty much every single person would incorporate, and incorporate their kids and tell Unca Sam to piss off.

But, when someone is that convinced that they are owed something by the Evil Rich and think the kind and benevolent Gov't should be the gun they use to get what is owed, small things like actual laws and tax codes won't change their mind.

i have alot of friends at school who hate the "evil rich", and say things like "more money more problems" to which i reply "well, i'd take problems with more money than problems with less money, because we are all gonna have problems either way"

Dude, it isn't about self entitlement, it is about them screwing the system and blaming high taxes. back in the 50s and 60s when taxes were at an all time high for corporations people got paid properly and the hiring rate was exponential to now. I never said evil rich. The sad truth is that corporations have more rights than individuals. They can supply unlimited amounts of money to lobby, all government gives them tax breaks, loop holes, incentives upon the idea of expanding and creating more jobs, which they do not deliver. Though it could be argued that technology is replacing a lot of people in the world, which is true. I work in technology and I now do the job of about 5 people 10 years ago. That is because I set it up so my computers do most of the work for me.

Why didn't a ton of people end up in prison after the bail outs? Plenty were obviously breaking many laws making a bunch of money and screwing everyone else over. I make decent money, I have a pension and I pay my taxes. I am not trying to steal or nor do I feel owed anything. The system caters to them, while the majority of the burden is put on middle class families, and working class people. I just don't understand how more clear it can be, and the obvious ruse is to label them "evil rich," and make them the victims. I am sorry but shut up and pay your taxes, everyone else does. I am in a high tax bracket myself and I haven't once complained about pay my taxes, so please don't insinuate things or make assumptions that I want the rich to wipe my butt for me.

Crom wrote:Why didn't a ton of people end up in prison after the bail outs? Plenty were obviously breaking many laws making a bunch of money and screwing everyone else over.

Just out of curiosity, which people were breaking laws? Which laws were they breaking?

AFAIK, screwing people isn't illegal.

I pulled my back out lifting TBone into the car yesterday (as TDog can't get into the without assistance and inevitably hurts himself if he tries), and ended sort of involuntarily duck and rolling into the car. Luckily I managed to cradle him completely and not crush the Shanker who was already in the car but hurt my foot as well. So technically an 8lb ancient wiener dog took me down.

If they can do that to me, they'll do just fine when the Zombies come.

biccat wrote:

Crom wrote:Why didn't a ton of people end up in prison after the bail outs? Plenty were obviously breaking many laws making a bunch of money and screwing everyone else over.

Just out of curiosity, which people were breaking laws? Which laws were they breaking?

AFAIK, screwing people isn't illegal.

Depending on what country you are talking about, there are regulatory trade laws and ethics laws, which rarely ever get held up in court. Many lenders committed fraud, and many loans were processed with out even being looked at, which goes against regulatory laws. The same happened on foreclosures. Many homes were massively stamped out with out even reading documentation or looking into the loan.

In reality I think that none of it went to court simply because of the circus it would have created. It would take so much time/money to prosecute everyone involved that it may not even be worth it. Plus you cannot squeeze blood from a stone.

For the record I wasn't 100% against the bail outs either. There were a lot of complications involved of letting them just fail.

Crom wrote:I don't see professional athletes getting billions of dollars a year in tax credits and loop holes...This isn't about hard work, or what they deserve. The facts are clear as day. The business sector is sitting on 2 trillion dollars right now, the lowest taxes and interest rates in a super long time, and they are not creating jobs. CEO pay is up nearly 40% and they keep crying to the government for more tax breaks so they can create jobs. What is funny is that the SCOTUS once ruled that a publicly traded company has a duty to it's share holders, not it's employees, CEOs, etc. It would be interesting if share holders got to vote on upper management pay raises. I don't see professional athletes doing this. If they don't pay their taxes, they go to jail, or leave the country. If a company skips out on taxes, they have zero repercussions.

The only reason I brought up the rich and upper class is that their privatized security forces would most likely horde resources in an apocalypse. Imagine them taking over a clean water well, or another needed resource and then not sharing it, or perhaps sharing it for a price. Some of the higher end privatized security forces are armed like military personnel. The rich will have a huge advantage is such a situation. Though, there is always the xfactor of humans being humans. Who is to say the security forces won't mutiny?

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While thats like really stupidly awesome can you TAKE IT OUT OF MY ZOMBIE THREAD!!!

I agree on both accounts! take the anti govt stuff to the anti govt threads, i want to hear about ZOMBIES! even though they cant do anything against a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT...or wiener dogs as we just learned...i need to go to the pet store to start preparing because i dont know how my jack russel terrier will hold up. whats your take on jack russel terriers Frazzled?

Frazzled wrote:
I pulled my back out lifting TBone into the car yesterday (as TDog can't get into the without assistance and inevitably hurts himself if he tries), and ended sort of involuntarily duck and rolling into the car. Luckily I managed to cradle him completely and not crush the Shanker who was already in the car but hurt my foot as well. So technically an 8lb ancient wiener dog took me down.

If they can do that to me, they'll do just fine when the Zombies come.

LMFAO, ya, I may be fine in the event of apoc, biggest thing is lack of a nonboltaction rifle.

dajobe wrote:I agree on both accounts! take the anti govt stuff to the anti govt threads, i want to hear about ZOMBIES! even though they cant do anything against a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT...or wiener dogs as we just learned...i need to go to the pet store to start preparing because i dont know how my jack russel terrier will hold up. whats your take on jack russel terriers Frazzled?

After consultation with wiener command, I have been informed Jack Russels have been assigned to hold the left flank against the zombie menace. You're good to go.

thats right, my dog forgot to tell me the new orders, luckily, her comissar is fairly kind

Where has my dachshund been assigned, Frazzled?

coolyo294 wrote:Where has my dachshund been assigned, Frazzled?

551st "the fightin' snow wienies" a proud unit. Further orders will come directly from your command and control (your wiener dog).

Frazzled wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:Where has my dachshund been assigned, Frazzled?

551st "the fightin' snow wienies" a proud unit. Further orders will come directly from your command and control (your wiener dog).

Excellent!