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FITZZ wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Though to be honest, the head is a mighty small target to be aiming for.

It really is...and will take people getting used to shooting before they get hits..

Nature provides!

Squirrels. I have zillions of the bushy tailed rats. Smaller than a human head, faster than you can reasonably expect even a fast zombie to be. And evil.

Get out the .410, or the 20 gauge, or the .22 or even a pellet rifle and cap the little bastards every chance you get. You'll find yourself looking for motion (a good skill), and hitting the little bastards while they're running around in no time.

Then nice slow zombie heads will be easy when the time comes.





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FITZZ wrote:

Crom wrote:FITZ

I agree with you on all levels, but I think the fundamental difference between us is that I have little faith in humanity coming together to help one another come post apocalypse, all the nice and helping people will be killed by the greedy thoughtless people. I agree with you on a strong hold, but man, fire can be an end all situation for your strong hold.

When I look at it as an against all odds, survive at no costs scenario I think about everything I could possibly do (with out bringing in ethics or morals here) to survive. Now would I do the lowest of the low to survive? I say no, that I would not, but I have never been in a situation where it is literally kill or be killed. I think that is the big x factor, and when looking into zombie culture/literature/film there is always a constant human element that betrays other humans, and sometimes for the most petty of things.

So, I say be mobile, stay low, steal if you have to, avoid all confrontation, avoid everything until it passes over to a point where you can settle down, then maybe band with people and start over. I can hunt, fish, start a fire, etc, but I am not really a ranger or out door person. I am city folk who just happen to have some rednecks in my family that taught me such things.

Otherwise I think your logic is sound and your ideas are good, and I would be all aboard if we had to team up in the zombie apocalypse, but I am a very skeptical person by nature and I would always keep an eye on everyone around me at all times, and make the hard decisions if needed with out a second thought. My intentions would be for the greater good for the most part, but like you and I both already know it is all situational.

Honestly, I don't have a great deal of faith in humanity, and readily agree with you that there would be a vast amount of remaining humans who would simply be reduced to " survive at others expense" mentality.
However, I also believe in the human condition to " bond", to seek out and join " like minded individules" ...which is why I think you'd find groups of humans banding together for survival as well...

Really, the only thing remotely like a " zombie apocalypse situation" that I base my belife on, is my post Katrina experiance ...and of course that was no where near the same thing, however...the mind set amongst those in the effected area were simalar in that you had groups who basicly took on a " get what I can...feth everyone else" mind set, and groups that sort of looked out for each other/ banded together.
Now, of course the situation was very different, we didn't have to contend with walking corpses trying to eat us....and most of us knew that "help" was coming ( sooner or later), but it did give me the oppertunity to witness first hand how people will behave when the "machine" breaks down...and in many cases ..it wasn't pretty.

I just hope...and in fact it is hope, that in a apoc situation...I would be able to conduct myself in a manner that, while ensuring my own survival, would also benifit those around me...at least those deserving of benifit.

Well not only that but look how the government and law enforcement acted. They did gun grabs, abused citizen's rights, arrested people for no reason, etc. Then you had the rich people during Katrina that could afford privatized security and their security force would carry around machine guns to guard the rich people's properties. It is quite funny how many rights a corporation gets over a citizen. Did you know that I could start my own company and have my own internal security wing and basically be able to buy tons of different fully automatic weapons (although they would be owned by the company, never a person) and it is less paperwork and hassle than a citizen trying to get a class III?

Rich people in this country already don't want to give anything up, hell unemployment is at a high yet CEO salaries went up like 35% these last couple of years. Corporate America is sitting at 2 trillion dollars in profits, the lowest taxes and interest rates, and yet they are not hiring or expanding. Parallel that to the apocalypse, they will horde their goods, trade bullets for things like clean drinking water, hire goons to take whatever it is they want. Add in the fact of no government to tell them what they can and cannot do and I see them going to whatever means necessary to get what they want.

People are just self centered and there isn't much we can do to change that. Especially in a consumer driven supply and demand economy, we are socially engineering greedy people.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:Your still going to have people refusing to believe, but I do sorta laugh in the movies when everyone is going "WTF IS GOING ON OMG!!!!" given the saturation zombie movies and books has reached.

Hopefully people will have a clue. Though to be honest, the head is a mighty small target to be aiming for.

whet else are we going to shoot at anyways? shooting the body dosent kill them. and the legs are even harder to shoot then the god d*mn head! we have no were else to even shoot! thats probably why it became 'shoot the head!' cause its easier than trying to shoot and disable the other limbs!

VTAC Drill
2 chest, 1 hip, 1 head - works better on people



Used this during Simunition training (think a wax pellet fired by a cut down 9mm round) worked great, had the "bad guys" screaming at me, got one girl to drop her pistol she had pointed at me even. Not what the military teaches so no one expected to get shot in the crotch haha.

This one just looks like fun



That's awesome Fitzz, when ever we get stopped by Staties or even Feds out here, they normally ask if they can try our toys one benefit of not having papers. I gotta find some of those heads, though I want to pick up one of Bleeding Zombie Targets

Crom wrote:
Rich people in this country already don't want to give anything up, hell unemployment is at a high yet CEO salaries went up like 35% these last couple of years. Corporate America is sitting at 2 trillion dollars in profits, the lowest taxes and interest rates, and yet they are not hiring or expanding. Parallel that to the apocalypse, they will horde their goods, trade bullets for things like clean drinking water, hire goons to take whatever it is they want. Add in the fact of no government to tell them what they can and cannot do and I see them going to whatever means necessary to get what they want.

People are just self centered and there isn't much we can do to change that. Especially in a consumer driven supply and demand economy, we are socially engineering greedy people.

Rich people never have to give anything up in any country, its the nature of being able to buy politicians, rest I agree, actually High School Of The Dead does a fair job of showing how a rich family would go about things(that girls father that has the mansion). Humanity in general is self centered, its both our redeeming and destroying trait, self centerism makes for competition, competition makes for progress, and I really don't think it matters all that much about country, in communist countries you still have obscenely greedy people as well as in capitalist, only real disparity is the amount of control the rich have over the poor.

Powerful people will always find them selves at the top of the food chain, though one thing to consider is, if those people with millions/billions in assets have nothing preparing themselves now, they are SOL just like everyone else, if the power grid goes down, or the current currency becomes worthless, then their power base vanishes. In many cases the folks with the power now are not the ones who made it, lacking the strength of will their ancestors had in making all that money.

Things would be equalized in a large scale PAW for a while, until a new group rose to the top, which wouldn't take long. Though in localized disasters like Katrina they have the upper hand for sure, I remember when Blackwater shipped out there, when I first considered working for them, until my view on politics and life in general changed, or I developed a new moral compass, something like that

1st, ANYONE can file paperwork to incorporate, so if you want to do that and avoid a Class III, that is an option open to anyone, not just the rich.

CEOs got raises? So? They get their companies to turn a proffit in crappy economic conditions, often by streamlining operations or finding ways to be more efficient, and they get rewarded for it. America is great that way.

Why be bitter and insist the rich OWE YOU something? Or the Gov't for that matter. Where in the Constitution is the right to be given everything you want or need? I can't find that right in my copy.

Yep, during the Katrina disaster guns got conficated. You vote for folks who think the 2nd Ammendment is crap, and that is one of the possible outcomes.

Seems like a few of you approve of looting right now, and want the Gov't to sanction it and enforce it.

When the appocalypse hits, stay away from me and mine.

Jake

CptJake wrote:1st, ANYONE can file paperwork to incorporate, so if you want to do that and avoid a Class III, that is an option open to anyone, not just the rich.

CEOs got raises? So? They get their companies to turn a proffit in crappy economic conditions, often by streamlining operations or finding ways to be more efficient, and they get rewarded for it. America is great that way.

Why be bitter and insist the rich OWE YOU something? Or the Gov't for that matter. Where in the Constitution is the right to be given everything you want or need? I can't find that right in my copy.

Yep, during the Katrina disaster guns got conficated. You vote for folks who think the 2nd Ammendment is crap, and that is one of the possible outcomes.

Seems like a few of you approve of looting right now, and want the Gov't to sanction it and enforce it.

When the appocalypse hits, stay away from me and mine.

Jake

+1, though in a true apocalypse I would not be bothered looting somewhere where no one lives (to my knowledge)

CptJake wrote:1st, ANYONE can file paperwork to incorporate, so if you want to do that and avoid a Class III, that is an option open to anyone, not just the rich.

CEOs got raises? So? They get their companies to turn a proffit in crappy economic conditions, often by streamlining operations or finding ways to be more efficient, and they get rewarded for it. America is great that way.

Why be bitter and insist the rich OWE YOU something? Or the Gov't for that matter. Where in the Constitution is the right to be given everything you want or need? I can't find that right in my copy.

Yep, during the Katrina disaster guns got conficated. You vote for folks who think the 2nd Ammendment is crap, and that is one of the possible outcomes.

Seems like a few of you approve of looting right now, and want the Gov't to sanction it and enforce it.

When the appocalypse hits, stay away from me and mine.

Jake

Agree completely on that one. Im not saying Ill be one of the donkey-caves that just screw people over and bully them and if they dont like it Ill shoot them dead. Im not like that. But if I feel threatened or if someone puts me in that position, Ill think of my families life first, and yours about 15th or less

CptJake wrote:1st, ANYONE can file paperwork to incorporate, so if you want to do that and avoid a Class III, that is an option open to anyone, not just the rich.

CEOs got raises? So? They get their companies to turn a proffit in crappy economic conditions, often by streamlining operations or finding ways to be more efficient, and they get rewarded for it. America is great that way.

Why be bitter and insist the rich OWE YOU something? Or the Gov't for that matter. Where in the Constitution is the right to be given everything you want or need? I can't find that right in my copy.

Yep, during the Katrina disaster guns got conficated. You vote for folks who think the 2nd Ammendment is crap, and that is one of the possible outcomes.

Seems like a few of you approve of looting right now, and want the Gov't to sanction it and enforce it.

When the appocalypse hits, stay away from me and mine.

Jake

This is getting off topic. You realize that a voice in this country = money? 1% of Americans are millionaires or richer, and 66% of the people that run our government are millionaires. Corporations lobby for things like tax holidays, tax credits, loop holes, and so forth. They have the capital to lobby for such things and get them, and they hide behind the idea that if they could save more money in taxes they could hire more people. Taxes are at an all time low, interest rates are at an all time low, CEO pay is up almost 40% and not a god damn job is being created in America. It has nothing to do with them owing us anything. They are costing us 100s of billions of dollars in taxes each year and passing the cost to you and me my friend. Look at the bail outs, money was made hand over fist unregulated, the rich got rich, the middle class got screwed, and not a single person went to jail for it.

Now, you can parallel this to the apocalypse, the rich and powerful will maintain their power by using their goods as a way to buy power. Most really rich people already have privatized security forces just like we saw during Katrina when they were using their privatized security and fully auto weapons to guard rich people's assets.

What do you think will happen when those people start to run thin on resources in the apocalypse? They will send out raid parties.

Just a few quick first hand observations concerning the post Katrina situation.

Local Law enforcement/ National Guard (when they finally showed up)...Many behaved in a totally profesional manner and should be commended for the services they performed in very trying conditions.
Others behaved in very callous manners ( at best) and in some cases were no better than those they were supposed to be " protecting people from".

Gun grabbing--I kept my .45 on me the entire time, in the open and recieved flak about it only two times...both times nothing came of it.
On the rare occasion that police where in the area we were held up in ( a blue collar/lower,middle class neighborhood) nothing was said to any of the citizens who were armed...and that was well over half of us.
Now, I have heard that in some of the projects, weapons sweeps were made, which could be viewed as profiling ...or could be seen as attempting to prevent armed gang members from roaming the streets ( I suspect a combination of both).

Class divisions - Katrina didn't check bank accounts...she destroyed everything she touched, in that aspect their were no divisions...everyone was effected.
As to the aftermath, I would say...and again this was/is only my opinion, the poor were more heavily effected and widely ignored and a great deal of resources were utilized in "protecting" upper class/ rich areas ( businesses).
I also noticed a trend ( though not all encompasing) amongst the upper middle class ( those that were left) to have less of a sense of what to do...by this I mean most seemed to depend more on being told " what they needed to do" rather then showing survival initiative...but again this was not true in all cases.
I will add though that I did see quite a few clearly " upper class" folk manning food distrubution stations, voulentering for first aid stations and truely giving of themselves...so again I can't generalize.

I think my hometown will do alright. a few years ago a fire broke out, and burned down half a block. one of the buildings affected was a jewelry store. with the help of some passers by, they managed to evacuate the entire stock. when the completed the insurance inventory not a single piece was missing. I love the mentality small towns breed. We may not always like each other, but when push comes to shove, we will ALL shove back together. at least 90% of households own more than one gun, and actually know how to use them. we have enough hunters used to small targets that marksmanship wont be the problem. our biggest problems will be getting over the issue of shooting at something that used to be human, and protecting the food supply.

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:I think my hometown will do alright. a few years ago a fire broke out, and burned down half a block. one of the buildings affected was a jewelry store. with the help of some passers by, they managed to evacuate the entire stock. when the completed the insurance inventory not a single piece was missing. I love the mentality small towns breed. We may not always like each other, but when push comes to shove, we will ALL shove back together. at least 90% of households own more than one gun, and actually know how to use them. we have enough hunters used to small targets that marksmanship wont be the problem. our biggest problems will be getting over the issue of shooting at something that used to be human, and protecting the food supply.

Overall I tend to agree with you, I do believe that smaller towns would fair much better than urbanized areas for many of the reasons you've listed.
By and large, many city dwellers have cut themselves off from the concept of community as well as the idea of self reliance ( Hunting/fishing/ keeping gardens) and tend to have a much greater dependancy on the technological aspects of society.
Unfortunatley, I live a bit to close to a major urban area ( in the event of a zombie outbreak)....but as I've stated, at the first sign of trouble ..I'm country bound.

FITZZ wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:I think my hometown will do alright. a few years ago a fire broke out, and burned down half a block. one of the buildings affected was a jewelry store. with the help of some passers by, they managed to evacuate the entire stock. when the completed the insurance inventory not a single piece was missing. I love the mentality small towns breed. We may not always like each other, but when push comes to shove, we will ALL shove back together. at least 90% of households own more than one gun, and actually know how to use them. we have enough hunters used to small targets that marksmanship wont be the problem. our biggest problems will be getting over the issue of shooting at something that used to be human, and protecting the food supply.

Overall I tend to agree with you, I do believe that smaller towns would fair much better than urbanized areas for many of the reasons you've listed.
By and large, many city dwellers have cut themselves off from the concept of community as well as the idea of self reliance ( Hunting/fishing/ keeping gardens) and tend to have a much greater dependancy on the technological aspects of society.
Unfortunatley, I live a bit to close to a major urban area ( in the event of a zombie outbreak)....but as I've stated, at the first sign of trouble ..I'm country bound.

Do you want to come live with me in my fortified cave in Zion?

hmmm....would it be worth it? ignoring how you did it,if you got a group of really big strong dogs trained to attack zombies and cause as long as they dont swallow they will more than less ok,would they be worth the extra protection? sure they could kill lots of zombies and keep you safe,but you have to feed them your supplies cause they might not be able to hunt in the area. also your water.they will poop everywhere, bark at things giving you away,and chase stuff when you dont want them to.

lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm....would it be worth it? ignoring how you did it,if you got a group of really big strong dogs trained to attack zombies and cause as long as they dont swallow they will more than less ok,would they be worth the extra protection? sure they could kill lots of zombies and keep you safe,but you have to feed them your supplies cause they might not be able to hunt in the area. also your water.they will poop everywhere, bark at things giving you away,and chase stuff when you dont want them to.

If these dogs are so well trained then why would they be barking and pooping all over the place, eh?

coolyo294 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:I think my hometown will do alright. a few years ago a fire broke out, and burned down half a block. one of the buildings affected was a jewelry store. with the help of some passers by, they managed to evacuate the entire stock. when the completed the insurance inventory not a single piece was missing. I love the mentality small towns breed. We may not always like each other, but when push comes to shove, we will ALL shove back together. at least 90% of households own more than one gun, and actually know how to use them. we have enough hunters used to small targets that marksmanship wont be the problem. our biggest problems will be getting over the issue of shooting at something that used to be human, and protecting the food supply.

Overall I tend to agree with you, I do believe that smaller towns would fair much better than urbanized areas for many of the reasons you've listed.
By and large, many city dwellers have cut themselves off from the concept of community as well as the idea of self reliance ( Hunting/fishing/ keeping gardens) and tend to have a much greater dependancy on the technological aspects of society.
Unfortunatley, I live a bit to close to a major urban area ( in the event of a zombie outbreak)....but as I've stated, at the first sign of trouble ..I'm country bound.

Do you want to come live with me in my fortified cave in Zion?

I've already noted it as one of my possiable "fall back" positions...

coolyo294 wrote:If these dogs are so well trained then why would they be barking and pooping all over the place, eh?

Because that's how they roll

coolyo294 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm....would it be worth it? ignoring how you did it,if you got a group of really big strong dogs trained to attack zombies and cause as long as they dont swallow they will more than less ok,would they be worth the extra protection? sure they could kill lots of zombies and keep you safe,but you have to feed them your supplies cause they might not be able to hunt in the area. also your water.they will poop everywhere, bark at things giving you away,and chase stuff when you dont want them to.

If these dogs are so well trained then why would they be barking and pooping all over the place, eh?

the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm....would it be worth it? ignoring how you did it,if you got a group of really big strong dogs trained to attack zombies and cause as long as they dont swallow they will more than less ok,would they be worth the extra protection? sure they could kill lots of zombies and keep you safe,but you have to feed them your supplies cause they might not be able to hunt in the area. also your water.they will poop everywhere, bark at things giving you away,and chase stuff when you dont want them to.

So long as the dogs in question were trained to remain silent ( unless contact is made) and to not injest zombie flesh/ fluids, I think canines would have their use...again it would take training.
As for the resources they would use...well that falls under the services they perform, if two well trained dogs allow for most of your group to catch some sleep by acting as perimeter guards...they've earned their meal.

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

SilverMK2 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

Exactly, A K-9 can be trained to refrain from barking, as well be trained in a multitude of other capacities...
However, as Silver points out, most people don't posses the knowledge of how to train a dog to that level...I can train a dog to stay off the funiture, let me know when it needs to go outside, attack intruders or not bark all night and eat my boots..but I know damn good and well I don't have the skill to train it to be quiet in a combat situation...or teach it not to bite into flesh.
In my case I could only see using dogs in a " guarding" capacity.

SilverMK2 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

i never said they couldn't. and if they only barked on command they would be useless as guards cause while they are getting overrun from lack of support you are sleeping.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

i never said they couldn't. and if they only barked on command they would be useless as guards cause while they are getting overrun from lack of support you are sleeping.

But they can be trained to only bark if an intruder comes near, for example, my dog doesn't bark at every random person that comes into sight, but if anyone approaches my house...he'll start barking.

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

i never said they couldn't. and if they only barked on command they would be useless as guards cause while they are getting overrun from lack of support you are sleeping.

But they can be trained to only bark if an intruder comes near, for example, my dog doesn't bark at every random person that comes into sight, but if anyone approaches my house...he'll start barking.

Lucky. My dog barks at anyone and everyone who walks by my house.

coolyo294 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:the poop even trained dog do.well,from what ive seen. good luck stopping them cause if they really gotta go,they will. as for barking you wouldnt want them to be silent so they could alert you to when zombies are coming,but they would then also bark at the zombies when your tryinh to be sneaky. you think a dog can tell the difference? no.they see a zombie,so they alert you that its there.

Have you ever actually seen police dogs? Bark on command, attack on command, can be trained to poop where and when, etc. And as per the fiction, most animals can instinctively tell what is a zombie. I would also not train dogs to bite, but rather to lure zombies into traps/bottlenecks/out of buildings into the open, etc. Larger dogs might be trained to jump for the chest to knock zombies over, but probably not that useful and quite dangerous.

Like the airship, dog training would be nice, but not high up on my list of things to do, and only then if I had people with the skills required (I have no idea how to train a dog to that kind of level) and also probably don't have the skill either.

i never said they couldn't. and if they only barked on command they would be useless as guards cause while they are getting overrun from lack of support you are sleeping.

But they can be trained to only bark if an intruder comes near, for example, my dog doesn't bark at every random person that comes into sight, but if anyone approaches my house...he'll start barking.

Lucky. My dog barks at anyone and everyone who walks by my house.

mine to.....both of them....

lord commissar klimino wrote: i never said they couldn't. and if they only barked on command they would be useless as guards cause while they are getting overrun from lack of support you are sleeping.

My point being is you train them only to bark at zombies, and only when you have given them the command. For example, you are sneaking around looking for supplies, so you command the dog "warn", whereby they will make a quiet whine, or will come up to you and bump your leg (etc) when a zombie is near. When you are in your crib, catching up on your Zzz's, you command the dog to "guard", whereby it will bark when a zombie comes near, or will run to a doggy switch which trips an alarm inside the house so that zombies outside don't hear it and come and investigate.

You know if the bite was fatal to the K9 via ingestion, it is going to be fatal to the K9 via bite as well right? All it's going to take is one small cut in their mouth. Though MWD's were trained to bite and hold, not chew so they don't always break skin, but with rotting zombie flesh, would not risk my dogs on that.

And yes LEO/Mil Working Dogs are very well trained, their also horribly expensive, but if your interested in getting one of these breeds without selling a organ, Lackland AFB adopts out their failures. Sometimes to the general public.

IIRC, my buddy who was a handler said some of these dogs cost upwards of over 100k USD when you tack on the training. And some of them fail during the drug/bomb portion, may have done great at patrol, but if they can't find the dope/explosives their considered worthless to the Air Force and liquidated. Though, some of them also end up as raging psychopaths, but dogs develop PTSD also, some of them get so freaked out by gunfire they attack their handlers. That's mostly a problem with the retired dogs though, and normally those are either put down or only adopted out to handlers.

I'd imagine that with the proper training a dog could be taught to not bite at all, but rather go for " knock downs" if it became involved in a "combat" situation"...though again I myself would have no idea how to acomplish this sort of training.

FITZZ wrote: I'd imagine that with the proper training a dog could be taught to not bite at all, but rather go for " knock downs" if it became involved in a "combat" situation"...though again I myself would have no idea how to acomplish this sort of training.

every time they headbutt instead of bite give them a treat? the other way around hit them.

Some folks are talking about constantly moving from place to place. Where and how do you think you are going to train a dog?

Have you ever worked at training a dog or worked with trained dogs and see what is involved with keeping them trained?

Somehow, I doubt it.