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RiTides wrote:It doesn't look like the same body to me...

I think they are, with some pouches and ammo stuff stuck on. Check the bottom left fantasy guy compared to the far right sci-fi equivalent, and the walking guy top right in the fantasy pic and far left in the sci-fi pic.

So, look at the 1st orx, them at the 3rd up orc (look at the emblem on the chest, and the leg position).

Them at the 2nd orx, and to the 1st up orc (again, chest emblem and leg position.

3rd orx and 1st up orc (the skull on the shoulder, and the "plate" detail on the left part of the chest)

4th orx and 2nd up orc (look at the plate on the left leg, the shape of groin plates, and the rivest on the chest plates)

5th orx and 3rd down orc (gloin armor plates and chainmail, and legs position).

Anyway, they look nice... but if they are only a conversion kit, i will really feel cheated...


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oh, and the angle on the first ork dont help it... we could not see the gun or the claw properly...

the one with the big gun does look like he dont know how to use it...

The combat blades are to small for orcs.

The guys with the mask looks really great...

The last one look nice too, but is pretty comic...


As someone pointed out here: they resemble very well those old orks of RT, and depending on the price i can see myself mixing them with GW orkz...

nkelsch wrote:The Orx look terrible and are not natural at all. Like fantasy orcs saying 'what do these do? maybe hold them like this?'

The metal orx hero is neat, and the best thing about that model... the head comes off and can be replaced with one of the many GW-looking heads.

The trike is 'meh' to me.

+1

Not excited by these at all.

The trike might be of use as conversion fodder...

How does an Orx get into his Raptor to drive?

The cockpit compartment looks tiny.

Looking at The BoW Unboxing vids things are starting to look promising. I am still not fully sold on the vehicles and the Orx troops look pretty 'meh' but I will probably take a punt on the leaders/characters when they are released.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:



Its my impresiion, or they really use the same body? Are those just "conversion kits"?

No they're not conversion kits apparently

Although they really do look like conversion kits

I also think that they used the same bodies with slight modifications. Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

Kroothawk wrote: Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

In their defense, it worked for GW for a decade or so. Why shouldn't it work for Mantic?

Eilif wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

In their defense, it worked for GW for a decade or so. Why shouldn't it work for Mantic?

Either hes taking a jab at 40k

Or (imo) its because GW does know how to make fantasy orcs and 40k orks have the same body yet look 'different' (at least nowadays)

Kroothawk wrote:I also think that they used the same bodies with slight modifications. Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

Sry kroot, i must disagree with you here... until now the Forgefathers dont look like "fantasy dwarfs with guns".

But after that orkz, im really afraid they go this way with the dwarfs too...

I normally support mantic, but if this pics are the true product, im glad i dont pre-ordered them.

The Corporation trooper concept art is great. Hope the models live up to it. Apart from the hero model, the orcs are unfortunately quite bad imo.

nkelsch wrote:The Orx look terrible and are not natural at all. Like fantasy orcs saying 'what do these do? maybe hold them like this?'

The metal orx hero is neat, and the best thing about that model... the head comes off and can be replaced with one of the many GW-looking heads.

The trike is 'meh' to me.

How is an ork, an inherently made up concept with no real living comparative, supposed to be natural?

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

But after that orkz, im really afraid they go this way with the dwarfs too...

I normally support mantic, but if this pics are the true product, im glad i dont pre-ordered them.

Aren't the blue guys with the big guns the forgefather models, or are those "elites"?


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lord marcus wrote:

nkelsch wrote:The Orx look terrible and are not natural at all. Like fantasy orcs saying 'what do these do? maybe hold them like this?'

The metal orx hero is neat, and the best thing about that model... the head comes off and can be replaced with one of the many GW-looking heads.

The trike is 'meh' to me.

How is an ork, an inherently made up concept with no real living comparative, supposed to be natural?

I took him to mean that he didn't think the orx looked convincing with their sci-fi accoutrements.

kenshin620 wrote:

Eilif wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

In their defense, it worked for GW for a decade or so. Why shouldn't it work for Mantic?

Either hes taking a jab at 40k

Or (imo) its because GW does know how to make fantasy orcs and 40k orks have the same body yet look 'different' (at least nowadays)

Actually I'm taking a jab at 40k and pointing out that GW was successfull for over a decade with orks who look essentially like their fantasy compatriots with added guns. Anyone remember the 2nd edition Goff orks? It took them a long time to develop a different asthetic for their sci-fi orks, and it can be traced to the first gorkamorka orks.

plastictrees wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

But after that orkz, im really afraid they go this way with the dwarfs too...

I normally support mantic, but if this pics are the true product, im glad i dont pre-ordered them.

Aren't the blue guys with the big guns the forgefather models, or are those "elites"?


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lord marcus wrote:

nkelsch wrote:The Orx look terrible and are not natural at all. Like fantasy orcs saying 'what do these do? maybe hold them like this?'

The metal orx hero is neat, and the best thing about that model... the head comes off and can be replaced with one of the many GW-looking heads.

The trike is 'meh' to me.

How is an ork, an inherently made up concept with no real living comparative, supposed to be natural?

I took him to mean that he didn't think the orx looked convincing with their sci-fi accoutrements.

Those are the heavy troopers made in plastiresin.

Eilif wrote:
Actually I'm taking a jab at 40k and pointing out that GW was successfull for over a decade with orks who look essentially like their fantasy compatriots with added guns. Anyone remember the 2nd edition Goff orks? It took them a long time to develop a different asthetic for their sci-fi orks, and it can be traced to the first gorkamorka orks.

Actually I was more referring to Kroothawks post when I replied

I guess thats the thing though

People here are going "Hey awesome! RT era orks/squats/whatevers"

RT era stuff was pretty similar to fantasy since 40k was literally the same universe/etc and plus it probably saved on production costs to do little extra designing. So the fact that warpath is looking like RT would in turn mean that it would look like KoW IN SPACE with a few non fantasy races such as space dinosaurs or laser armed soldiers

plastictrees wrote:

I took him to mean that he didn't think the orx looked convincing with their sci-fi accoutrements.

We have lots of reference of humanoids and lots of reference of humanoids holding weapons.

These look like 2nd edition orks... The issue is unless your market is only nostalgia people looking to re-create 2nd edition retro models, I am not sure why you would make a product line that looks like your competitors technology from 20 years ago. Models 20 years ago looked like 'that' due to limits in technology and design. What is the excuse now?

It is like trying to start a new car manufacturer and competing with Ford and Toyota by releasing your own version of the model-T and claiming 'my competitors made cars like this when they started and they seem successful.'

The bike is awkward, weak looking design, weird little driving hole blocked by the engine and only looks marginally good by comparison to the two GW old buggie/trakk kits. A modern kit made basically by anyone will blow the 'raptor' away.

The Thrudd gun and squats actually look decent with a modern look with good sculpting. The Orx just do nothing for me and are blown away by all the 3rd party ork kits out there. I hope the humans look anything like the concept art because it would be cool if they did, I feel like the orx looked terrible compared to concept arts.

So much potential, As an ork collector I am sad to see such a waste of potential new models.

nkelsch wrote:

These look like 2nd edition orks... The issue is unless your market is only nostalgia people looking to re-create 2nd edition retro models, I am not sure why you would make a product line that looks like your competitors technology from 20 years ago. Models 20 years ago looked like 'that' due to limits in technology and design. What is the excuse now?

It costs cheaper, thats why it looks cheaper!

Unless your company name is Perry Miniatures

Eilif wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Mantic still thinks that giving a Fantasy Dwarf/Ork a gun and a bionic eye is enough.

In their defense, it worked for GW for a decade or so. Why shouldn't it work for Mantic?

Because they're not GW, it's not 1995 and, hell, do we even need a third reason? I'm not offended that Mantic are parasites, I'm offended that they're crap at it. The basic Orx are embarrassingly bad, and considering how horrible the GW plastic orks are, this should have been an easy slam dunk, but apparently they just don't have the talent. The less said about the trike, the better. It looks like something made by Ramshackle, except almost certainly more expensive. Also, I couldn't be sure, but I could've sword the parts were actually warped in BOW's assembly video, something about the geometry of the thing did not look right.

Yeaaaah, Mantic is just a bunch of parasites, no one can left the Tolkien histories die in peace?

Stop using that argument please, or else i will have to point again that if someone in Mantic is coping, other companies had done it long before they (including the good old GW).

But i must agree... the only orx who impressed me is the Hero. The trike fully deviated from the nice concept, and i can sure scratch build something better with plasticar+ramshakle+toybox, but hey, now i can opt to spare me the work

The grunts are very disapointing... very...

I've been looking at those "Orx" ( they should have just used 'Orcs') for a while. It's clear they used their fantasy range as a starting point and then just altered the torso's slightly (extra armour plates, less rags etc) - I'm fine with that & the old school aesthetic. Now after looking at them there are two things that bug me: 1) the paint scheme - a 'muddier' green or even brown would suit them better (that's the first thing I felt when looking at them) & 2) They're all bare foot! I kind of like the fact they're more barabarians who have learned how to use stolen or bashed together tech - that's fine - but bare feet Did the Corporation take away their Nike's or Army Surplus boots for being 'bad slaves' and did they just go with that? These seem a little rushed to me - I'll get some to paint up and see if they can look better - but am I going to have to greenstuff boots on them all? I hate shoe shopping

Opens a door for a third party tiny Orx shoe manufacturer!

I would love to like these guys, but I have to say I'm less impressed the more I see of this range.

The Dwarves were promising, but both of the vehicles just look silly. The 'Orx' are almost ok, but their faces let them down... which spoils the model overall for me.

I can't help thinking that this range would have benefited from spending a little more time at the concept stage.

Agamemnon2 wrote:... considering how horrible the GW plastic orks are...

Umm... what?

Nelson's Orks are much beloved. How can you say that GW plastic Orks are crap?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:... considering how horrible the GW plastic orks are...

Umm... what?

Nelson's Orks are much beloved. How can you say that GW plastic Orks are crap?

I think he said it to be edgey...

I think he said it because Aggy is this site's version of Eeyore.

No, I'd back him up. The Orc and Ork boyz units need an update.

Eilif wrote:Actually I'm taking a jab at 40k and pointing out that GW was successfull for over a decade with orks who look essentially like their fantasy compatriots with added guns.

Copying your Fantasy orks might work, if your Fantasy Orks wear trousers like in Warhammer. But SciFi Orks in Tunics/skirts just don't work for me.

And the Dwarf armour doesn't look modern or SciFi, but like a platemail.

This is how modern dwarfs should look:
http://wk.frothersunite.com/sc/spacedwarf/spacedwarf.htm

Hasslefree Grymn :


Olley:






Velard:


... and another new manufacturer that I just can't find ATM (posted his miniatures in news&Rumour).

Kroothawk wrote:

Velard:

Kroot - I kind of like these, but I can't get their website to load.

Do you have any more pictures of Velard's Space Dwarves?

here's a re-coloring hybrid alpha did on warseer.

Kroothawk wrote:

Eilif wrote:Actually I'm taking a jab at 40k and pointing out that GW was successfull for over a decade with orks who look essentially like their fantasy compatriots with added guns.

Copying your Fantasy orks might work, if your Fantasy Orks wear trousers like in Warhammer. But SciFi Orks in Tunics/skirts just don't work for me.

And the Dwarf armour doesn't look modern or SciFi, but like a platemail.

This is how modern dwarfs should look:
http://wk.frothersunite.com/sc/spacedwarf/spacedwarf.htm

Hasslefree Grymn :


Olley:






Velard:


... and another new manufacturer that I just can't find ATM (posted his miniatures in news&Rumour).

Sry, but i know all this ranges, and never looked at them as "what dwarfs should look in sci-fi". Dwarfs in flak armor are bad, not dwarfy anywhere. Dwarfs value armor, hard strong armor.

Haslefree have some nice pieces, great sculpts for sure, but those dont look like dwarfs, there is simple no reference to dwarf culture, they are just short guys in sci-fi light armor, they dont even have beards, if they had beards, they would be great and easily convertable to "real space dwarves". but that is not the case.

Olleys dwarfs are almost 2 ranges: the gnomish looking greatcoats, and the manecing looking exoarmored. The first are great for space gnomes, better than GW, with a great design, light armor and very advanced looking guns. They even have a dog that look a gnomes pet. The second could be used for dwarfs in space, but again, lack references to dwarf culture (roman culture dont suit dwarfs at all, and where are their axes and hammers?), and are to "SD", just like any GW dwarf to date (and that is the reason why i dont like them). Olleys have the mutated dwarfs too, who again work incredible well for a gnomish chaos army.

Those Velard i have seem before, but i dont like them. C'mon, paded armor? on sci-fi dwarves? And they look very comical. Its hard to do good dwarfs, because they can easily look comical.

Mantic was very sucessfull with his fantasy dwarfs, they actually remember dwarfs withouth baing to comic or to deformed. Their sci-fi dwarfs untill now look very nice, and are so "full plate armor" as space marines.

I just hope the plastic dont come as "gun liners", and that they are not lazy conversion kits as the orxs... (i dont like this title either, but it is a easy way to differ them from GW orcs/orks, lets assume)