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H.B.M.C. wrote:I think he said it because Aggy is this site's version of Eeyore.
Actually, I said it because the legs on those orks are hideous. The bizarre bow-leggedness of the models means imagining them actually walking or running is deeply in the brain-pain category.
Sure, there are anatomical differences other than that between humans and orks, and there should be, but the way the legs are built makes the Orks look like pantomime pygmies or something. Doubly so because so many of the basic boyz legs also incorporate the outward-thrust buttocks, resulting in a scoliotic-looking curved spine. They're not built like a plausible-looking humanoid race, especially one who's supposed to be genetically predisposed to physical prowess and ultraviolence.
This picture, I hope, is illustrative. The Boy on the right has a very uncomfortable-looking pose that implies none of the speed and ferocity that are inherently Orky.
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After seeing the pictures i have to say i like the direction Mantic is heading. I stand by the idea that you should not need to sell you house to play with toy soldiers. Having said that, i do not like the Orx, they do not seem good sculps to me, the vehicle is awesome, but the orx themselves are kind of meh. Grate value thou, which is what Mantic actually stands for.
On the other side, while not my cup of tea, i think the dwarfts are awesome. High quality sculps, way above anything comparable and grate value. On this ones Quality meets Value, something GW used to believe in.
Just because they plod around like they have full diapers doesn't mean they don't look fine when they walk around. Dawn of war and war online show GW orks looking fine when stomping around.
Mantics ORX do nothing... I like my orks with pouty butts
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So far I'm really underwhelmed by Mantics effort at a WH40K rival, and I have little or no hope they'll get the IG proxies even close to where they become a viable alternative to GW miniatures.
Hell, I never thought I'd say this, but between the two GW is soo far in advance it hurts.
It may well be too soon to strike the doom bell, and I fully realise that this is just my opinion, but with the staff they seem to employ for their miniatures, I really can't imagine it getting any better.
When I think about the recent release of the Berserker Dwarves from Avatars of War (as a plastic kit) I really don't see how Mantic can even hold their heads up high when their efforts fall so far behind the "competition".
I too am underwhelmed by the Orx but I can see myself getting the not-thudd-gun and at least a character and some of the heavies for painting pleasure. Hell, based solely on the concept art I may finally be able to afford to build the guard army I've always wanted to build but could never justify...
Emperor's Faithful wrote
- I would rather the Blood Angels have gone down the darker path of the Flesh Tearers than this new "Awesome Codex McBatnipples". *blegh*
6 Marine Armies and counting... Why do I do it to myself ? Someone help me I'm an addict
The Orx grunts are a bit meh in my opinion, but I really like the vehicles. So far, I think I'll be picking up some Warpath stuff at some point in the near future.
The buggy thing is cool and i will buy one when they are on sale. But the rest of the range just suck. And i hardly ever moan. If i dont like something i just dont comment. But this? So far its just crap, the concept is dull and been done to death. The two races so far are just poorly done. The counts as squats (yeah i know they are not really counts as but if mantic cant be bothered to put some thought into them then why should i?) are just laughable! I really understand now why GW dropped them. In a fantasy war game set in space filled with aliens that spit bio acid and living dead robots, evil super warriors with daemon best friends, emo space pixies who get warm fuzzy feelings cuting out your eyeballs, who is gonna be scared of midgets with beer bellys and a stinking beard? And the Orx (or whatever they are) sorry what? Did mantic just travel to the 1980's for their designs? They dont just look bad, they look stupid. I had such hopes that this would really be the next '40k'. But this just a epic fail. I do get the trying to capture the RT vide but its not 1987 anymore. People do want cheaper models but they also expect plastic kits on a par (if not better) than G.Ws. So far nothing looks any good, the background seems weak like a old 80's film plot. The models are so poor i feel smashing my fingers with a hammer just so i wont have to touch them, ever. Even the name and the logo are half arsed efforts by the look of it. Could i do better? Yes, yes i can. Mantic is going regret doing this so bad. They need to scrape the whole idea. They need to forget every 80's film and saturday morning cartoon they have used as insperation and look at other ideas. If they wanna just make a few factions at first, great, look at gears of war, halo, resistance or whatever and films like aliens, etc. They all have a well thought out story, clear and exciting concepts of the good guys who are mean as hell but heroic and bad guys who are scarey but cool as fuc.... Do you get what i'm driving at here? The idea of Warpath is rip of RT (I know its kind of the point) but how is that gonna compete with 6th edition 40k next year? It wont thats what. Mantic can make great plastic kits (undead ghouls) and i hear kings of war is a good game. But sci fi wargaming is for big boys and if Warpath is the best you got then GW is gonna smack Mantic down.
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Best army project : The Khrave & Barghesi
Boomer, i feel sad about it, but i agree with you...
But the dwarfs are not so bad, they are bad as they are painted, but they stand a chance right now. I need to see the plastic kit before i get a real opinion, but after this orcs, im very sad about them.
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
Boomer wrote:The buggy thing is cool and i will buy one when they are on sale. But the rest of the range just suck. And i hardly ever moan. If i dont like something i just dont comment. But this? So far its just crap, the concept is dull and been done to death. The two races so far are just poorly done. The counts as squats (yeah i know they are not really counts as but if mantic cant be bothered to put some thought into them then why should i?) are just laughable! I really understand now why GW dropped them. In a fantasy war game set in space filled with aliens that spit bio acid and living dead robots, evil super warriors with daemon best friends, emo space pixies who get warm fuzzy feelings cuting out your eyeballs, who is gonna be scared of midgets with beer bellys and a stinking beard? And the Orx (or whatever they are) sorry what? Did mantic just travel to the 1980's for their designs? They dont just look bad, they look stupid. I had such hopes that this would really be the next '40k'. But this just a epic fail. I do get the trying to capture the RT vide but its not 1987 anymore. People do want cheaper models but they also expect plastic kits on a par (if not better) than G.Ws. So far nothing looks any good, the background seems weak like a old 80's film plot. The models are so poor i feel smashing my fingers with a hammer just so i wont have to touch them, ever. Even the name and the logo are half arsed efforts by the look of it. Could i do better? Yes, yes i can. Mantic is going regret doing this so bad. They need to scrape the whole idea. They need to forget every 80's film and saturday morning cartoon they have used as insperation and look at other ideas. If they wanna just make a few factions at first, great, look at gears of war, halo, resistance or whatever and films like aliens, etc. They all have a well thought out story, clear and exciting concepts of the good guys who are mean as hell but heroic and bad guys who are scarey but cool as fuc.... Do you get what i'm driving at here? The idea of Warpath is rip of RT (I know its kind of the point) but how is that gonna compete with 6th edition 40k next year? It wont thats what. Mantic can make great plastic kits (undead ghouls) and i hear kings of war is a good game. But sci fi wargaming is for big boys and if Warpath is the best you got then GW is gonna smack Mantic down.
Put your money where your mouth is. I challenge you to create a better logo for warpath than the current one.
Anyways, more news.
A list of all units in the KoW 2011 2nd edition is out on warseer:
Dwarfs
Ironclad, Shieldbreakers, Ironguard, Berserkers, Ironwatch, Rangers, Bulwarkers, Berserker Brock-Riders, Ironbelcher Cannon, Flame Belcher, Ironbelcher Organ Gun, King, Army Standard, Berserker Lord, Warsmith, Herneas the Hunter, Steel Behemoth, Driller.
Elves
Palace Guard, Sea Guard, Spearmen, Bowmen, Scouts, Sylvan Folk, Forest Shamblers, Stormwind Cavalry, Drakon Riders, Bolt Thrower, Dragon Breath, The Green Lady, King, Army Standard, Mage-Queen, Prince, Lord on Drakon, Lord on Battle Dragon, Tree Herder.
Kingdoms of Men
Foot guard, Spear Phalanx, Shield wall, Missile Troops block, Pike Phalanx, Ogres, Pole-arms block, Penitents mob, Militia mob, Knights, Mounted sergeants, Mounted scouts, Cannon, Organ gun, Mortar, Rocket artillery, Trebuchet, General, Army Standard, General on winged beast, Hero, “The Captain”, Artillery master, Priest, Wizard.
Abyssal Dwarfs
Blacksouls, Decimators, Immortal Guard, Abyssal Berserkers, Gargoyles, Slave Orcs, Lesser Obsidian Golems, Abyssal Halfbreeds, Dragon fire-team, Angkor heavy mortar, G’rog Mortar, Katsuchan rocket launcher, Overmaster, Army Standard, Overmaster on Great Abyssal, Abyssal halfbreed champion, Iron-caster, Supreme iron-caster on great winged halfbreed, Ba’su’su the Vile, Greater Obsidian Golem.
Goblins
Sharpsticks, Bows, Rabble, Mawbeats pack, Fleabag riders, Fleabag Rider Sniffs, Sharpstick Thrower, Bogies, War-trombone, Big Rocks Thrower, Wiz, Biggit, Flaggit, Big Bogie, Mincer, Sharpstick Slasher, Leo & The Iron Goblin.
Orcs
Ax, Great Ax, Morax, Sniff, Bogies, Orclings, Gore Riders, Gore Chariots, Fight Wagons, Krudger, Krudger on Gore Chariot, Krudger on Slasher, Flagger, Krudger on winged slasher, Wip the Half-cast, Big Bogie.
Twilight Kin
Darksome guard, Twilight spearmen, Buccaneers, Blade-dancers, Twilight crossbowmen, Shadows, Lower Abyssals, Gargoyles, Dark Knights, Heralds of woe, Abyssal Riders, Twilight blot thrower, Twilight dragon breath, Dark lord, Dark lord on dragon, Army Standard, Lordling on winged Abyssal, Dark avenger, High priestess of the Abyss, Master of Death, Abyssal Fiend, Death Stalker Simulacre.
Undead
Revenants, Skeletons, Skeleton Archers, Zombies, Ghouls, Mummies, Werewolves, Wraiths, Soul Reavers, Revenant Cavalry, Balefire Catapult, Mhorgoth the Faceless, Army Standard, Vampire lord on Pegasus, Vampire Lord, Liche King, Necromancer, Revenant King, Cursed Pharoh.
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I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
Those goblins are great, and wood elves are awesome.
Maybe i should forget about warpath and stick with KoW, it is easyer to find players for fantasy at here, very D&D culture around
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
I think the current GW orks look ridiculous, with their heads as large as their bodies (although I realise this is strictly a personal thing and plenty of people like them), so I might well pick up some orx on that basis. They will be cheap enough that I could get a couple of boxes and it won't really matter if they don't turn out.
However, I am hoping for more of a sci-fi bent to the later models, rather than 'fantasy with guns'. I think this is a pretty popular opinion and I wonder if Mantic are aware of it?
I’m not fan of these Orx (I find the faces to be too expressionless and the poses goofy) and the not-Squats don’t do it for me at all (their vehicles might)... but calling Mantic a ‘parasite’ is a bit rich. It’s not like they’re the only company doing fantasy or sci-fi races in the same style.
I like the not-Squats alright. Some of their details and poses look off to me, but their Thudd gun looking thing is really awesome. I don't like the not-Orks, but their vehicle is really cool.
I like 40k, and the people i know that play miniaiture games, only play it. But the rest of the people is normally "fantasy inclined" into other midias (RPG, card games and such).
That is why i had hope with Mantic, just for cheaper 40k (but the scenario ended up atracting me as well).
I was on the orxs just for flow, they would come with the dwarfs and such. But those marauders and their kitbash, put me very afraid that the forgefathers go the same way.
At least in fantasy, mantic never give me this bad feeling (i pretty like everything they released until now, including the things i dont like so much, read chaos dwarfs).
And i really like KoW as a game...
If my post show some BAD spelling issues, please forgive-me, english is not my natural language, and i never received formal education on it...
My take on Demiurgs (enjoy the reading):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537654.page Please, if you think im wrong, correct me (i will try to take it constructively).
I was on the orxs just for flow, they would come with the dwarfs and such. But those marauders and their kitbash, put me very afraid that the forgefathers go the same way.
I really hope Mantic haven't done the same for the Forgefathers - it would be a colossal error. I can kind of understand their approach with the marauders but the bare feet thing kills me every time Still if anyone wants to do feral orcs/orks/orx/orcks/orques they don't seem too bad an option...I feel the Heavy Weapon Grunts will be more like the concepts but we'll have to wait and see...
Although in that link is a youtube video, some of the comments......
Sorry Ronnie, but the Marauders are so fugly, it's not really tempting. I do like the Trike, and I actually like the style of the gunner (Pants and boots!) - but the standard grunts are really, really bad in a very Rogue Trader-era gone wrong kind of way.
Mate, I have seen the Marauder grunts... and they are horrible, WORSE than my Rogue Trader models from aeons ago. I highly recommend you check out Beasts of War or Brückenkopf Online. The Hero-model of the Marauders is damn fine, that's why the grunts are really such a shame. Basically it's the KoW Orcs with SciFi-Bitz and silly Goggles. Killed off all the buzz I had going for Warpath in an instant.
I dunno, that quoted comment is pretty on point to me and not at all inflammatory or disrespectful like a troll remark.
Mantic's model is to sell cheap 'fill-in' models for other popular games... Not make fantastic models.
This ad from Mantic says it all...
Could they have possibly chosen two worse looking models to promote their orc line? They don't care how they look, just that they are cheap and people can buy a horde of greenskins for a fraction of the price. That is a fine business model, but not one that appeals to me because how my individual models look are extremely important to me.
My Models: Ork Army: Waaagh 'Az-ard - Chibi Dungeon RPG Models! - My Workblog! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
RULE OF COOL: When converting models, there is only one rule: "The better your model looks, the less people will complain about it."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
MODELING FOR ADVANTAGE TEST: rigeld2: "Easy test - are you willing to play the model as a stock one? No? MFA."
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Sure, there are anatomical differences other than that between humans and orks, and there should be, but the way the legs are built makes the Orks look like pantomime pygmies or something. Doubly so because so many of the basic boyz legs also incorporate the outward-thrust buttocks, resulting in a scoliotic-looking curved spine. They're not built like a plausible-looking humanoid race, especially one who's supposed to be genetically predisposed to physical prowess and ultraviolence.
This picture, I hope, is illustrative. The Boy on the right has a very uncomfortable-looking pose that implies none of the speed and ferocity that are inherently Orky.
Ungainly does not necessarily mean lacking in speed or ferocity. It's fairly obvious the 'upright gorilla' was what Nelson and co were aiming for. It implies massive charging aggression. We should also remember not to get too swept up in what works for human physiology as all bets are off when making fantasy races.
Cheap Implies shoddy. There is nothing shoddy about mantics models. They are inexpensive. Hence the add implying you can get a large orc horde at an inexpensive price.
I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
Why do I do it to myself 
? Someone help me I'm an addict 
