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Ungainly does not necessarily mean lacking in speed or ferocity. It's fairly obvious the 'upright gorilla' was what Nelson and co were aiming for. It implies massive charging aggression. We should also remember not to get too swept up in what works for human physiology as all bets are off when making fantasy races.

I would think fairly obvious would mean easy to notice or have a strong hunch. "Nelson and CO" Have failed, if thats what they were shooting for.

fire4effekt wrote:

Ungainly does not necessarily mean lacking in speed or ferocity. It's fairly obvious the 'upright gorilla' was what Nelson and co were aiming for. It implies massive charging aggression. We should also remember not to get too swept up in what works for human physiology as all bets are off when making fantasy races.

I would think fairly obvious would mean easy to notice or have a strong hunch. "Nelson and CO" Have failed, if thats what they were shooting for.

The wildly popular run of the Nelson orkoids for the past 15 years seems to disagree with you. Green gorilla is pretty clear in the design and part of the appeal. There is a reason why most of the 3rd party companies emulate the GW ork design opposed to making 'mantic' looking orcs...

I do not see a green gorrila when i look at orks, sorry.

fire4effekt wrote:

Ungainly does not necessarily mean lacking in speed or ferocity. It's fairly obvious the 'upright gorilla' was what Nelson and co were aiming for. It implies massive charging aggression. We should also remember not to get too swept up in what works for human physiology as all bets are off when making fantasy races.

I would think fairly obvious would mean easy to notice or have a strong hunch. "Nelson and CO" Have failed, if thats what they were shooting for.

I realize that the value of art is subjective, but the current line of 40k orks are fantastic in my opinion, and many other people feel the same way. I think that they look ferocious and menacing, and like they would have no problem closing the distance with an enemy to get into chopping range.

fire4effekt wrote:I do not see a green gorrila when i look at orks, sorry.

I think you'll find that puts you in a small minority, or that you're not actually looking at an ork. "Those are Dark Eldar? Suddenly this codex makes sense!"

Get things back on topic please boys - MT11

you know, i might pick up some of the orx and see how they look with a simple head swap, cause really, the faces are the only thing i don't like about them

I will be getting the forgefather army at some point, curse my love of armored bearded midgets with guns

greenskin lynn wrote:you know, i might pick up some of the orx and see how they look with a simple head swap, cause really, the faces are the only thing i don't like about them

That might be a good idea

Could be useful for mutants or something else

I am still waiting for thay official annoucement where Mantic say "ok guys, you asked, we do: here the marauders with a shine new body..."

I will buy something from them this september, only to get that marauder sprue, lets see how it really look.

But IF their dwarfs comes in the same (lack of) style, them they will have loose a colector...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Ungainly does not necessarily mean lacking in speed or ferocity. It's fairly obvious the 'upright gorilla' was what Nelson and co were aiming for. It implies massive charging aggression. We should also remember not to get too swept up in what works for human physiology as all bets are off when making fantasy races.

Well, for one thing, look at the spine on that gorilla. It's more or less straight in that pose. The legs are also straight as opposed to the splayed-out legs on the Orks. For "charging aggression", you need legs that look like they could deliver the speed required. Also, for charging aggression a gorilla is a pretty bad reference point, since they charge you on four legs, not two. As for your last point, I don't buy it. We know orks have muscles and even bones, despite being animate fungi. Their locomotion and anatomy should therefore be governed by the same mechanics as those of more familiar beasts.

And now for something completely different,

For me, the plastic Forgefather infantry will be the dealbreaker. If, indeed, they too are just a lazy resculpt piled on top of the preexisting Mantic Dwarfs, then the odds of me purchasing any will go down the drain. I've not seen any concept art on those guys so I don't know if they will be, of course. I'd hope not, because I don't see them meshing with the heavy weapon veterans we've already seen, but the FF Officer does look disappointingly ... dwarvish.

For me, the plastic Forgefather infantry will be the dealbreaker. If, indeed, they too are just a lazy resculpt piled on top of the preexisting Mantic Dwarfs, then the odds of me purchasing any will go down the drain. I've not seen any concept art on those guys so I don't know if they will be, of course. I'd hope not, because I don't see them meshing with the heavy weapon veterans we've already seen, but the FF Officer does look disappointingly ... dwarvish.

but the Forge Fathers are... Dwarfs? Of course they are going to look dwarvish!

As for the bodies, what's the big deal. Who knows what we might not have had the figures being fully resculpted... cost of plastic moulding is huge! and anyway, the bodies aren't even a year old and are barbaric and scavenger so that they really fit the background. The new parts look cool, not as good as the vehicle or the hero, but actually I'm just going to have loads of grunts on the table so meh. I'ma spend my time on painting and modelling the elites and vehicles when they come out, for now i just want to use these to flesh out the army.

That's a good photo, they actually look pretty cool (I would say better) in it than the other angle.

Pretty cool huh? Looks like the green is a bit more muted, maybe it was the editing on the preview photo that made them look greener than they actually were.

That is a much better photo. When they released the Orcs, there were complaints that they did not include enough head options. Now, with the Orx release, they have given us even more heads for them (albeit sci-fi, and not fantasy). Thankyou, Mantic.

orx's new pic look great.

Found this today:
http://quirkworthy.com/2011/09/20/marauder-orx-sprues-from-mantic/

Sadly they are remakes of the original orcs except with a touch of sci fi.

Here's some pics of the original sprues.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-40426-19622_Mantic%20Games%20Sprues.html

Another thing I like about them is there slightly less 'heroic'scale proportions, again it is another nod back to the RT era design aesthetic of an ork, rather than the more cartoonish style they have moved to these days.

Personally I love the look in that picture above, if the rest of the range matches I think for the price they will be you can't go wrong!

Sadly they are remakes of the original orcs except with a touch of sci fi.

See, I don't get why this is an issue - the original orcs look great and are like, 6 months old or something. There's reportedly two sprues, and more sci-fi bits on the other one with more blades, heavy weapons and heads. I don't like the stabby arm, but there's enough parts there that you don't have to use it.

That is a much better photo. When they released the Orcs, there were complaints that they did not include enough head options. Now, with the Orx release, they have given us even more heads for them (albeit sci-fi, and not fantasy). Thankyou, Mantic.

'nother example of how they listen, which is one of the things I like about them.

i like them more from that angle. And they look better than the GW ones. Why does every ork boy has his ass stuck out like that.

GW's creative Ork designer is Sir Mix-A-Lot.

I really like the look of these Orks en masse. Individually they are jarring, but I think that's just because they don't fit my preconceptions. They look grittier and more military than the GW version- which I definitely think is a move in the right direction.

Here's the two sprues compared side by side.

Orx front


Orcs front


Orx back


Orcs back


I have to say I'm a bit disapointed with this one. No change whatsoever to the bodies as The bottom half of the sprue is exactly the same!
Why did they have to have the figure with the non-replacable head again?
Why repeat the same fixed arm pose?
Why not add some real sci-fi details to the bodies?

I would have expected that the Orx would be an improvment over the Orcs (not that they were bad at all), instead it's just a rehash. I don't mind the ferral look for space orcs, but if the Forgefathers are the same arrangement, then -despite my excitement for space dwarves- I may choose not to buy.

Thank goodness I didn't pre-order!

Considering how many (many, many) corners were cut here, the difference in price compared to GW Orks seems insufficient to me.

New video up on the ManticGames channel:

http://youtu.be/D3ootYPxfAw

there are also pictures of unpainted orx on beasts of war, although they are too large to post and have the BoW website URL all over them.

Eilif wrote:I would have expected that the Orx would be an improvment over the Orcs (not that they were bad at all), instead it's just a rehash. I don't mind the ferral look for space orcs, but if the Forgefathers are the same arrangement, then -despite my excitement for space dwarves- I may choose not to buy.

Thank goodness I didn't pre-order!

Guess that there are so many ex-GW people at Mantic that they inherited the will to fail. They have the means to succeed, everybody is wanting them to succeed, then they just add a gun sprue to their Fantasy miniatures and call it a new game. If I want a company to hit me in the face, I rather go to the original.

Reusing sprues? Is Mantic raking cues from Warlord Games?

Looks like my prediction of "Conversion kits" wasnt all that far off

Does it matter if they are reused though if the overall effect looks OK?

I thought in that shot from the overhead they look pretty effective, like I said previously a more RT-esque design aesthetic.

"Hi, I am a Fantasy Dwarf"


"Hi, I am a Squat from the new exciting SciFi-game."


"Hi, I am Gimli from the new Lord of the Rings game."

Kroothawk wrote:
"Hi, I am Gimli from the new Lord of the Rings game."

LIES! He should be smaller and completely incompatible with warhammer models!

Kroothawk wrote:"Hi, I am a Squat from the new exciting SciFi-game."

Squats dont exist, they where ate up by the tyranids, and should be forgotten forever.

But i really hope that the Forgefathers dont fallow the same logic on marauders... Tha will make me sad for all this time lost waiting for them...