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That's what I was thinking. Still thought it might be worth asking what others thought about it.

Killian, you need a shot or two.

With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind. .

Even more reason for a transportofex, no?

If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

Swoop wrote:If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

You guys also realize that if the leaked Rulebook is true, then you can draw LOS through models with a base and that the models with a base do not provide cover. Means no getting cover from large tervigons or other big bugs.

However, I think most people are of the mind that this version was a mashup of the design team and that a lot of the big changes may not make it into the final release.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Reserves are alot more interesting if things stay as-is. Players get far more strategic options as Lictor rules and Trygon tunnels become viable, and outflank is a little more dangerous. However this is offset by the -1 penalty for outflank, and especially by defensive fire. Nid players will have to choose carefully what they place where, and in which order, to ensure their bugs aren't killed without seeing a single turn.
The Drop Spore/Mycetic Spore thing will have to be FAQ'd too. Does defensive fire only apply to the pod and not the passengers? I guess this is the case, but am honestly expecting two different FAQ rulings for marines and for nids.

On the brighter side of things, nid shooting just got far more dangerous. Zoanthropes will by hitting their favourite targets on 2+ now. And I'm really looking forward to dropping a brood of devilguants within 12" of a stationary unit, and giving them Preferred Enemy...

I'm definitely hoping that these rules aren't true for the monstrous creatures. I have a hard enough time keeping them alive as it is, but now with the supposed Evasion rules, less cover, hard to get cover and Feel No Pain not working on AP3 weapons it'll just all be a waste of points to bring one, not to mention waste of money.

I'm really hoping GW doesn't mess this up and gimps a very core unit type for the Nids. Not everyone likes playing the little buggies, some like the big ones.

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

No it's a name I made up quite a few pages back. It seems to have stuck, which I'm happy with.

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

Swoop wrote:If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

You guys also realize that if the leaked Rulebook is true, then you can draw LOS through models with a base and that the models with a base do not provide cover. Means no getting cover from large tervigons or other big bugs.

Well yes, hence my reference to lack of cover and Gargoyles as mandatory screening units, as they don't have bases.

xttz wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Reserves are alot more interesting if things stay as-is. Players get far more strategic options as Lictor rules and Trygon tunnels become viable, and outflank is a little more dangerous. However this is offset by the -1 penalty for outflank, and especially by defensive fire.

Wut, does Defensive Fire work against Outflanking units? I though it was deepstriking units only.

xttz wrote:The Drop Spore/Mycetic Spore thing will have to be FAQ'd too. Does defensive fire only apply to the pod and not the passengers? I guess this is the case, but am honestly expecting two different FAQ rulings for marines and for nids.

On the brighter side of things, nid shooting just got far more dangerous. Zoanthropes will by hitting their favourite targets on 2+ now. And I'm really looking forward to dropping a brood of devilguants within 12" of a stationary unit, and giving them Preferred Enemy...

Agreed about the Mycetic Spores unclarity. But Tanks getting easier to hit (I know Evasion has been 'debunked' but for discussions sake) they will also be harder to damage, negating the AP1 bonus. So the netto result is zero.

Well except how the Codex FAQs state that drop pods and spores do not trigger defensive fire.

Talking about that rule set is pointless until we see the finished one...

Well, technically speaking, talking about rumors and posting on forums is also pointless...

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

N.I.B. wrote:Well yes, hence my reference to lack of cover and Gargoyles as mandatory screening units, as they don't have bases.

A flying base is still a base. It's the base the model came with.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

No it's a name I made up quite a few pages back. It seems to have stuck, which I'm happy with.

That is good. I hated the name as an official name. As for a fan name that has now become stuck worse than a space marine arm glued with plastic glue...I must say I like it!

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Davor wrote:

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Here's a deal to anyone who feels the same - if we get new info, I'll update the topic title to reflect it, and put the info on the first post. Deal?

Sounds like a deal to me... and considering we are now a third of the way through February... we may soon start hearing rumors for the March releases.

I will not believe nothing for March. I hate the, Oh it's March now not February. Then when March doesn't come, will it be April then?

Still hoping since I am a Tyranid player, but not going to believe it. I can't get excited for it since I have been waiting too long for something Tyranid now.

Davor wrote:I will not believe nothing for March. I hate the, Oh it's March now not February. Then when March doesn't come, will it be April then?

Still hoping since I am a Tyranid player, but not going to believe it. I can't get excited for it since I have been waiting too long for something Tyranid now.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

All these rumors that keep showing up just always let me down. It's been going on for 2 years now. It's always "Oh just another month" but after so many months that have gone by, it just left me very skeptical about anything Tyranid related.

If the second wave comes next month, fine, I'll be damn happy, but I won't be holding my breath.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical about the rumours. Rumours are, afterall, not proven. If we knew for a fact they were being released in March, it would no longer be a rumour.

It's always fun speculating though.

Agree its fun to speculate and discuss the tidbits that the good rumour-mongers toss out to us, however, I will also not get excited until I see it (probably not even then). It has been far too long for nids - haven't got a decent errata (the little bit they did was nice but hardly sufficient for a dex with so many issues , IMO) and so many models are still missing (units that GW decided to add - some unnecessary).

Then we have 6th edition on the horizon - who knows what that will do to nids - probably fix some issues but being GW will likely create alot more. Lets say GW releases a mycetic spore pod which is long overdue - I wont likely buy any until I see whether 6th edition and any nid errata at the same time does to them. It is unfortunate but it is GWs own fault. They cannot be trusted so unless I had many to burn - why buy models that may be useless in a few months. I'll wait and see.

Davor wrote:

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Yeah I get that. But what doesn't infuriate me is posts with rumors about this release. So while it's great that you guys have a nice debate going on about 6th edition, I just don't quite understand why it has to be on the N&R board in the "News thread", because let me break something to you that may be news: it's not news

Damn I've been writing news a lot anyways... If the thread title gets updated I would be very happy, as I can skip the 5 pages of off topic debate about future army lists in a fictive 6th edition that doesn't exist before June...

It just seemed like you were complaining Gorlack. I am surprised myself that the mods haven't locked it yet.

I guess that is why Dakka Dakka is so great compared to Warseer. Warseer, they have control and athourity issues. They love to lock almost everything. At least there is a more relaxed atmospher here on Dakka Dakka and don't take Everthing so seriously and give a lot of lee way.




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Thing is, my money has been going to Privateer Press now. I spent $150 in the last few months. Guess GW doesn't want that money from me.

I really hope we get an update to this topic soon, other than all the chatter about it. I'm looking forward to a Tyrannofex/Tervigon/Harpy/whatever, so long as it's a gribbly. Supposedly, we should get a few fuzzy pictures of a White Dwarf article soon, shouldn't we?(hopefully)

They kept the lid for the LOTR issue kept tight until the day before release, so I wouldn't expect blurry shots.

On the other hand, not many people care much for LotR, and yet images leaked a week before the magazine was released.

Absolutionis wrote:On the other hand, not many people care much for LotR, and yet images leaked a week before the magazine was released.

If it can be leaked, someone will leak it even if its not all that much to get worked up about

The models better be worth the wait.

The models will be worth the wait, as long as they don't take design cues from the Biovore.