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My guess for JL is along similar lines:



Apart from that, I hope and expect the film will basically be just a transcription of the first volume of the N52 Justice League run or the Justice League: War animated movie, which basically consists of Batman instigates, runs into other team members (GL in the comics, but I doubt we'll see him until later on), punches Superman a bit (done that, so we can skip it here), aliens show up, Avengers Assemble, big fight with DS, everyone lives happily ever after until the next massive alien invasion...

Myself and the wife watched JL:War and JL:Throne of Atlantis this week, both really fun. I also own the comic book that JL:War is based on. My favourite bit is easily the banter between Batman and Green Lantern, absolutely brilliant!

Watched last night with a mate ..............

Loved Wonder Woman - she owned the film everytime she was on - sad it was so little - didn't even get the WWI clip in the final film :(

Batman was good - for me the character reached his on screen pinacle in Tm Burtons first film and this was also very good - aging, world weary, full of rage and uncompromising - good stuff - nice to see the chain guns back as well

Superman was fine - even the Lois element was less awkward than in MOS. Good stuff.

and then we have Lex - oh god he was as awful as the trailers suggested - for me the single thing that ruined the film. A whiny, jumpy, Joker wannabee - - just terrible

We both thought the pacing was bad, the music apart from the final fight unhelpful, and it was amusing how they kept pointing out everytime there was a fight after the first one that - "oh everyone's gone home, or its unihabited."

All in all it was enjoybale but as usual these days overlong.......Its a comic film so the very very many gaping plot holes are not that important - but the ship accepting Luther because he had some kyrptonian skin taped to his fingertips was pretty awful.........

Oh and what the hell was going on with the wierd time travel dream with the green guy?

Oh and we had the trailer for Suicide Squad - which looks awesome.

I think the guy who poked his head through the portal and said "too soon?" was The Flash. I'm assuming it's more setup for future films, otherwise it was a bit out of place. Not a dream, I think, because I don't think Bruce already knew about Lois Lane - or at least, not that she was important to Superman.

It was Flash, but they made it seem like it was a dream, what with the waking afterward and all. Having Flash travel in time to a dream doesn't make sense but it is how it is shown.

Was indeed The Flash.

FYI he was the guy buying milk in the video clip who then took out the would be robber.

Also looked somewhat that he was using a Boom Tube -- which is News Gods technology.

Them being the big bad mentioned at the end and also seemingly in control of Earth on Batman's nightmare vision.

It seemed like a dream - until he "woke" with information he couldn't have known about. An old trope, but still a goodie.

It also occurs to me that the flaschback at the beginning to Bruce's parents' deaths and funeral wasn't so much to tell people how Batman began - I imagine most people know that by now, same with the Hulk and Spiderman - but rather as foreshadowing to the scene where he's about to stab Superman. That's the important flashback, and the opening scene is only to establish how it should look in this movie.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It seemed like a dream - until he "woke" with information he couldn't have known about. An old trope, but still a goodie.

It also occurs to me that the flaschback at the beginning to Bruce's parents' deaths and funeral wasn't so much to tell people how Batman began - I imagine most people know that by now, same with the Hulk and Spiderman - but rather as foreshadowing to the scene where he's about to stab Superman. That's the important flashback, and the opening scene is only to establish how it should look in this movie.

Indeed. That, and to set up the fact that this Batman is clearly, genuinely insane; these visions aren't coming out of nowhere, he's obviously battling these hallucinations and nightmares and such constantly, and they definitely seem psycological in nature. Bats has always been a bit nuts, but I like the fact they're openly suggesting that here. Fits with the Batman that's seen it all, done it all, and come out the other side a complete wreck.

As for the Flash scene, it is the one part of the movie I wouldn't mind seeing removed... it makes sense from a narrative standpoint (if Flash does arrive too soon, then obviously everything he says is going to be irrelevant at the time) but as a viewer, it does feel very out of place and doesn't connect to anything in the rest of the film. It's the kind of thing that happens a lot in comics, you'll get one or two panels that seem entirely unconnected until half a dozen issues or more later on, then suddenly makes sense, but I'm not sure it makes the translation to a film that well, not least because we'll be waiting 18 months for the payoff rather than 6.

ah right - I thought it was a bit of incoherent plot device in the film but ok.

Hopefully any sequal will re-write/recast Lex as he was simply awful - pity Lois didn't shove him off the helipad when he was capering and rambling like a deranged clown - I was hoping for a minute Batman was going to execute him in prison but no luck there..........

I thought that the Lex's aide was going to be intersting but nope..............just killed her off after being efficent ....

Guess the WW1 Wonder Woman bit is in the inevitable extended edition? Hopefully with more from her and I really hope she gets a proper film.

Filiming it at the moment in fact.

believe the photo is the link between the films, her one being set , mainly, in/around WWI.


That said IIRC they're saying she's something like 5000 years old so might be a bit of ground to cover.

One supposes she perhaps met Alexander the Great, so was in the know about the sword...

... she might even be personally acquainted with Zeus and/or Prometheus, which would certainly have given her a different perspective with regards to Lex's speech.

 reds8n wrote:

... she might even be personally acquainted with Zeus and/or Prometheus, which would certainly have given her a different perspective with regards to Lex's speech.

Zeus, aka "Dad" :p

I think Lex was fine as a proto-Lex, in the same way that Clark in MoS was a proto-Superman. From now on, Supes will be the symbol of hope he is 'meant' to be, and Lex will become ever more obsessed with bringing him down. I imagined the wackiness will go as he 'toughens up' (mentally rather than physically) and begins his serious vendetta against Clark. There's also the hint of insanity in his final scene, his mind having been opened to a whole universe of horrors, but once he's out of jail I expect we'll see a proper Luthor, probably by the end of JL.


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 Compel wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

... she might even be personally acquainted with Zeus and/or Prometheus, which would certainly have given her a different perspective with regards to Lex's speech.

Zeus, aka "Dad" :p

Yeah, I loved that look on her face when Lex was going on about Zeus.. disdain with a healthy dose of 'I wish I could rip your head off right now!'

Can't wait for the WW film, they got her so right in this that I can only see it being epic. I know it's mostly WW1-set so far as we know, but I really hope we get to see some mythical stuff early on.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wonder-woman-rescues-steve-trevor-themyscira-set-pics

some pics from the WW movie.

Really enjoyed the movie. Good character development.

I thought Affleck did a great job.

I am a little more than a casual comic fan/follower, but I hadn't thought of the Mother Box....great catch!

I figured Darkseid would be the big baddie...given Thanos is coming.

However, I wish they would have waited with Doomsday....and dedicated more of a movie to him.

I liked the way he appeared on screen and his evolving was nicely done.

I just think that they definitely lost an opportunity to make him more of a global/universal threat.

Lex Luthor...hmmm....not sure how I feel about him.

I think he was good in the obsessed/insane mentality in trying to bring sown Superman.

But they showed sooooo very little of his genius/tech side.

That was disappointing.

I thought Gadot was great as WW...as my wife said "The pictures of her didn't do her justice."

Overall, I would give it an 8/10.

 Paradigm wrote:
As for the Flash scene, it is the one part of the movie I wouldn't mind seeing removed... it makes sense from a narrative standpoint (if Flash does arrive too soon, then obviously everything he says is going to be irrelevant at the time) but as a viewer, it does feel very out of place and doesn't connect to anything in the rest of the film. It's the kind of thing that happens a lot in comics, you'll get one or two panels that seem entirely unconnected until half a dozen issues or more later on, then suddenly makes sense, but I'm not sure it makes the translation to a film that well, not least because we'll be waiting 18 months for the payoff rather than 6.

Yeah, it was how it impacted the pacing that bothered me as much as anything. It felt like it was at a time when the film was just starting to pick up momentum, and all those plot strands were beginning to come together, and then we had this 5 minute sequence that just stopped momentum flat.

In a comic, like any written medium, you have a lot more leeway with pacing. There's more scope for subplots and random bits that will become relevant later on. In a film not so much.

I actually hadn't associated that future guy with Flash.

Movie results are bad: the film dropped over 70% week to week.

Movie studio is reportedly going back to re-edit Suicide Squad, in attempt to make it less serious.

Hmmm...

1) It still made $52M this weekend and was #1 for the week
2) US gross is at $261M, Worldwide gross is at $421M for a total of $683M
3) You seem very eager to dance on this movie's grave

This movie isn't perfect, but it is pretty good and I think it does what it set out to do, so...

Why so schadenfreude?

 Alpharius wrote:
Hmmm...

1) It still made $52M this weekend and was #1 for the week
2) US gross is at $261M, Worldwide gross is at $421M for a total of $683M
3) You seem very eager to dance on this movie's grave

This movie isn't perfect, but it is pretty good and I think it does what it set out to do, so...

Why so schadenfreude?

-Public reports are that it Needs to make $800mm to break even.
-I'm just reporting what Hollywood is saying. This doesn't even take into account the real bucks of toys and other royalties.
-Not at all. I was strongly looking forward to it. Unlike many I loved MoS and Synder's direction of it. I'll still rent it when it comes out and make like it like I discovered 300.
(edit; movie timing is such that I wouldn't be able to see it until mid April anyway...)

My notation about Suicide Squad, is because thats the other big comic movie the daughter and I have been planning to see for months (after Deadpool).

Unfortunately I can't find a link (at least right now) but I read an article about 6 months ago that said 4x movie production budget is the true "break even" target (ie the point at which enough profit is made to be job well done).

Well, this movie will still end up breaking $800M anyway, so...good for them!

I want to see more of the Affleck Batman and the Cavill Superman so, this is good news!

I have heard good things about Affleck. I figured he'd play a good Batman.

I saw that article about SS, and it seemed a little...hyperbolic?...like most of the reporting surrounding the DC films. Reshoots aren't uncommon, and *even if* the studio wanted some scenes tweaked for tone, that decision was probably made well before the release of BvS.


I saw BvS again this weekend. Interestingly, my wife liked it less than MoS (which she really liked). Frazz, I have a suspicion you may be in that category too, but we'll see.

Anyway, I felt like the second viewing really confirmed the strengths and weaknesses of the film for me. And maybe the simple answer regarding why people are split on the movie is because the strengths and weaknesses are so pronounced.

The film has story problems...it just does. It could be that the 3-hour version will give the story more room to breathe and fix some of this. It was interesting that they mentioned the 3-hour director's cut even before the film hit theaters. Still, I don't expect that the director's cut will actually change opinions even if it's a superior cut. People are dug in.

I think the dialogue was actually very tight and good IMO. I don't know that there was a wasted line in the film, and there were exchanges that I appreciated much more having seen the film already. The visuals are amazing, and I was able to watch and appreciate them more the second time also (I caught more of the easter eggs this time). The cast was also really strong. I simply don't understand criticism of the actors in this, with the exception of Mr. Eisenberg.

I didn't hate his performance or the decisions made to go with Lex as a young tech wunderkind...but I wish he would have stuck more with that "insanity just under the surface" thing he had going on in the early parts of the film, like in his exchanges with Holly Hunter and the Jolly Rancher scene. People complained about his goofiness in the trailers, but I thought his goofy-but-controlled scenes were stronger. The manic stuff in the later parts of the film was less effective IMO.

The theater I was in was only half-full, so I expected that there'd be some box office fall-off. Then again, that multiplex still had it running almost every half-hour, so a good number of people still saw the film. BvS shouldn't have much competition again next week, so we can probably expect another solid weekend. I tend to think it'll end up making what it needs to.

He did a great job as Batman, I felt.

Of course, everyone has their own opinion.

I really liked how they explained the change of voice...as opposed to in past Bat movies the actor just going "harsh" or "gravely".

 Frazzled wrote:
Movie results are bad: the film dropped over 70% week to week.

Movie studio is reportedly going back to re-edit Suicide Squad, in attempt to make it less serious.

Everybody should have expected week 2 to crater, not being boosted by presales to the true believers. I don't think it dropped as much as Fantastic 4 and Wolverine, but it's close... Which probably has some studio execs panicking that they're not going to get the $1B that they wanted. Not that they should worry about losing money - they should cover all of the costs to break even.

Everybody also should have expected them to redo Suicide Squad after seeing how well Deadpool did. I understand that they're rushing into reshoots based on how badly BvS was received (and now is doing at the box office).

If they ran SS like dark comedy like Deadpool, it would be awesome.

 gorgon wrote:
I saw that article about SS, and it seemed a little...hyperbolic?...like most of the reporting surrounding the DC films. Reshoots aren't uncommon, and *even if* the studio wanted some scenes tweaked for tone, that decision was probably made well before the release of BvS.

The theater I was in was only half-full, so I expected that there'd be some box office fall-off. Then again, that multiplex still had it running almost every half-hour, so a good number of people still saw the film. BvS shouldn't have much competition again next week, so we can probably expect another solid weekend. I tend to think it'll end up making what it needs to.

The SS reshoots were decided when Deadpool started breaking box office records. While not uncommon, it's never a good sign, as it means that the studio has lost confidence in the original director's work, and has started meddling. SS should have been a fine niche product, and the more the studio inserts themselves, the worse the product gets. Just look at BvS and how much corporate stuff was inserted into the movie, replacing content that would have told a the far cleaner Superman : Doomsday story underneath the Batman and Justice League bits that were added on by corporate.

It's April, so theaters don't have much of anything else to show. Not much new stuff, nothing big, so theaters should be relatively empty, leading up to Civil War in May. Where theaters had been hoping for a really strong Batman movie to fill seats, it's not so much right now.

I watched the Screen Junkies 58-minute discussion on this earlier today, while aggressively procrastinating on actual work, and there heard the interesting snippet that the screenings for the pre-release version were really positive; this pre-release version is apparently the 3-hour version that they are releasing this summer. Despite these good screenings, WB (or Synder?) decided to edit the film by another 30 minutes, to make the theatrical release, which was not so well received.

I wonder what would have happened if they just left it alone?

 Frazzled wrote:
If they ran SS like dark comedy like Deadpool, it would be awesome.

Suicide Squad is a natural fit for DC's "dark and gritty" look, and gallows humor is also a natural fit. Especially with Harley & Joker and the other Batman bits folded in.

What I'm concerned with is DC knee-jerk reactively deciding they need slapstick and 4th-wall breaking stuff. Edgar Wright stuff. Rather than the natural comedy that fits the team and the genre.

It would be an absolute travesty if SS becomes the light, bright Batman '66 movie while this latest Meet the Superfriends debacle stays mired in Nolanesque Batman. I really want SS to be a great movie, and had hoped it was small enough to have flown under the radar. Now, I'm scared DC is trying to make SS into some sort of tentpole that it never should have been.

From what I heard, SS had the black without the humor. The "funny" trailer is said to have contained every joke or light-hearted moment in the entire movie. (Trying to capture the Deadpool momentum?) The audience reaction to the trailer was more positive than WB expected, and they were left with a popular trailer promising a movie they wouldn't deliver, so they had to scramble to reshoot a lot more humor and quirkiness into the movie.

Frankly, I don't care how accurate a dark and gritty SS movie would have been; I'm just sick of the post-Nolan joylessness. I'd rather watch a dozen Ant-Mans than another bleak Snyderman film.