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Ok Martel. Let's hash out some ideas

Gotta love how Martel has to have his own special thread

Some ideas from me.

Command squad in drop pod
With melta guns 180 points
With plasma guns 195 points

Devastators with 4 lascannons 150

Dark angel librarian is 65 with a 6" 4++ is 95 points.


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SGTPozy wrote:
Gotta love how Martel has to have his own special thread

Don't be rude.

What do the drop pod units do about bubblewrapping? I mean the Tau player can see what I've got in my pods.

They only reliable thing I can really think of for Astartes is a Tiggystar.

And again, is there anyway to keep the DA devastators from losing half the squad to an IA shot?

How to kill a riptide?

Step one: Obtain hammer.


Really though.
D weapons or Psychic Shriek are good options.
So is Grav CentStar

Ok well let's explore some ideas.

A DA librarian can offer a 6" 4++.
You can take 2 for 190 points.

DA devastators are the same as BA devastators.

BA can give 2 units FnP for 130 points (2 sanguine priests).

Command squads can be given storm shields for 10 points each.

You play BA right?

Lol, bubblewrapping has no use when you've got a 5+ invuln, unless you get stealth or shrouded (not possible as far as I know).

There is no full proof way of anyone surviving but it is only a 150 point unit.

Boniface wrote:
Ok well let's explore some ideas.

A DA librarian can offer a 6" 4++.
You can take 2 for 190 points.

DA devastators are the same as BA devastators.

BA can give 2 units FnP for 130 points (2 sanguine priests).

Command squads can be given storm shields for 10 points each.

You play BA right?

Yes, I do. FnP doesn't function against the Nova charged pie plate though. Storm shields might let me get one unit through, but they won't help against the pulse rifles.


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DaPino wrote:
Lol, bubblewrapping has no use when you've got a 5+ invuln, unless you get stealth or shrouded (not possible as far as I know).

Do you ever play against drop pods? It sure as hell has a use.

"Storm shields might let me get one unit through, but they won't help against the pulse rifles."

By that logic why even take Storm Shields since ethey will do to bolters...

SGTPozy wrote:
"Storm shields might let me get one unit through, but they won't help against the pulse rifles."

By that logic why even take Storm Shields since ethey will do to bolters...

My assumption is that the Tau player is not brain dead. They will pie plate the units with no storm shields and then shoot the storm shield guys with pulse rifles. Because doing it the other way around is stupid.

Deep Striking Hammernators is my favourite tool, but Shriek is funny when it works. "What do you mean your sixty-five point Librarian just one-shotted my Riptide?".

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
"Storm shields might let me get one unit through, but they won't help against the pulse rifles."

By that logic why even take Storm Shields since ethey will do to bolters...

My assumption is that the Tau player is not brain dead. They will pie plate the units with no storm shields and then shoot the storm shield guys with pulse rifles. Because doing it the other way around is stupid.

My point still stands; why take them when a marine player will pie plate the units without storm shields and shoot their bolters at the storm shield guys?

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
"Storm shields might let me get one unit through, but they won't help against the pulse rifles."

By that logic why even take Storm Shields since ethey will do to bolters...

My assumption is that the Tau player is not brain dead. They will pie plate the units with no storm shields and then shoot the storm shield guys with pulse rifles. Because doing it the other way around is stupid.

My point still stands; why take them when a marine player will pie plate the units without storm shields and shoot their bolters at the storm shield guys?

That's why I don't use storm shields.

Possible blood angel options. Units I feel have potential.

Command squad 5 man FnP 100 points, up to 3 specials each squad. Possible 3 squads. Can be drop prodded or jump packs for increased speed.

Assault squads 5 man with 4 metas in a pod or with packs is 135.

Devastators with 4 lascannons 150 points.

Fast tanks = more moving and shooting.

Fliers are good


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With the riptide one of the things to do is get into a position where you can minimise the impact of the template.


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The normal shooting is S7 and therefore you get feel no pain.

3 grav bike squads = upto 27 grav shots (18 after combi used). That gives 18hits, 15wounds. All averages of course.

Make sure it can't use the template where possible.


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How open are you to allies?

Death company with jump packs and a couple of fists/hammers. Sweep.

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 grav bike squads = upto 27 grav shots (18 after combi used). That gives 18hits, 15wounds. All averages of course.

I'm guessing this is why so many tournament lists have so many bikers. C:SM does this so much better, though. Yuck.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Death company with jump packs and a couple of fists/hammers. Sweep.

I have a lot of problems getting them there.

Shoot the choppy. Chop the shooty.

What to do when the shooty is more choppy than you, too?

Riptides are rough.

Martel732 wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
3 grav bike squads = upto 27 grav shots (18 after combi used). That gives 18hits, 15wounds. All averages of course.

I'm guessing this is why so many tournament lists have so many bikers. C:SM does this so much better, though. Yuck.

There is that.

Boniface wrote:
Make sure it can't use the template where possible.


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How open are you to allies?

Maybe allies?

What models do you own?

Boniface wrote:
What models do you own?

Pretty much lots of everything in codex BA and nothing else.

My answer to a riptide in my BA games is always "go hug the enemy for safety." If things go well, I'll have a good chunk of army left to surround and kill the tide. Every direct hit with an IA on my dudes is devastating though. No saves, no fnp, they just drop like gretchin. Really expensive gretchin.

Multiple Pods of Basic Sternguard, one ammo options:
Kraken Bolts lets you Ignore their Armor
If it is Kroot/Pathfinders Dragonfire Ammo will make short work of them.
Or just make sure you are withn 12" and pull out the Hellfire Ammo and make the Riptide make lots of saves.

Dark Eldar FUN Version:

-Take asuccubus and give her the Ld-2 armor and a WWP.
- Attach her to squad with a phantasm grenade launcher. Add someTorment grenade launchers to your raiders.
- Place the succubus in 6" range of the riptide, when she arrives.
- Fire the PGL and TGL at him and let him do some Tests on Ld7... everytimes he fails he suffers somewounds and have normally just a 5++ to save them.

The easy way:

Shoot Splinter Wapons and Desintegrators at him...

 Anpu42 wrote:
Multiple Pods of Basic Sternguard, one ammo options:
Kraken Bolts lets you Ignore their Armor

Nah... They are just AP3 and the riptide has a 2+. Its also S4 against T6. Sternguard is actually not that good at killing riptides, even if you use the poison ammo.

You don't want drop pods?

Boniface wrote:
You don't want drop pods?

Drop pods are in codex: BA, but I don't use them much as they often hurt more than they help.

How many pods do you use, when you found them to be mor ehurt than help?