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Dastardly Dave wrote:For all those involved in the above discussion about SW vs 40k:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=145219

Read it.

It is awesome.

Says Empire ships are actually bigger than Imperial ships.

My grandma. In all honesty, that woman could kill anyone

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Says Empire ships are actually bigger than Imperial ships.

It only said that about the super star destroyers, wich TBH sounds about right.

aka_tizz wrote:My grandma. In all honesty, that woman could kill anyone

aye this is correct...any grandma could, they make their cookies and stuff...but underneath...well we all know what they can do when they get angry

Mr. Rogers

your mother.

Doesn' need to be fictional.

Strange why know ones been clever enough to get all the UM into one place and bombard them with nukes. Don't think power armour can withstand a direct nuke blast. And if we now can make 5000 nukes in 60 years with one planet, I think the imperium with its millions of worlds could make at least 1000000000000 nukes in 40000 years. Realisticly in that much time they could make about 5000000000000000000 nukes (no, no jokes) for Chaos to nick.
The 300 spartans managed to hold of for 5 days against about 190000 persians, but THIS IS SPAAAAARTAAAAA wont work against marines.

Chimeras from Resistance would get shredded.
HALO spartans would get shredded.
Uncharted 2 guardians would get shredded.
DOOM demons would get shredded
Quake stroggs would get shredded.... UNTIL they strogify a space marine who turns into a squidmarine and then marines get shredded.

Also, Gollum could give one a run for their money. Keep saying MY PRECIOUS!!!!!!!! and coughing and the Marine will get so angry he'll jump of a cliff.

On a more serious note, no armor can help against crush damage unless it makes them stronger (a lot stronger, not just SM geno enhancement stronger). So supposedly push a big rock of a cliff and it will kill a few.

Rocks: no matter how advanced we get, Rocks win.

That should be made into one of those pictures w/ explanations....like the exterminatus one.

That explains the earlier mentioned Ewoks thing I guess.

ME!

how about secretly rebellious servitors who sabotage their armor while they aren't looking so it siezes up? That might work. Power to the slaves!

metallifan wrote:

Guitardian wrote:I think the rebels had lascannons, on all kinds of turrets and those lazooka looking guys in the trenches. Did it help? no. rope helped. The imperium would never think of using that though because it hasn't been sanctified by the techpriests. score 2 empire vs imperium.

Try out your lascannon on an AV 20 kneecap.

It's called a Warhound Powerfist. Or a Plasma Cannon. That AT-AT just suffered a bad case of broken everything.

Nuruhuine wrote:A Ship that size has an incredible ammount of hull structure, and thus would be as tough as nails. In a Broad-side to Broad-side slugging contest, I'd put my Orks Teeth on the Imperium any day over Darth Flamers little cheese slices. =]

Oh I totally agree as far as a broadside battle goes. If that happened, there wouldn't even be -pieces- of that Star Destroyer left. The problem, though, is getting into a broadside setup when the Empire knows they'd lose, and thus be able to maneuver to avoid it. Sure, the Imperial Navy ships have more hull strength, but the problem is that their most powerful weapons would have a difficult time coming to bear on what seems to be a much faster ship that's capable of putting out an even amount of fire in a 180 degree arc.

True, but don't forget about boarding parties.

Guitardian wrote:That's what the Deatttttttttth Staaaaaar is for. 1 shot= 1 kill. ship, ewok, wookie, space marine, planet, whatever.

If only it wasn't for those meddling kids though....

The Death Star is slow and takes it's sweet time to charge it's main weapon - All a ship has to do is stay close enough or behind it for it's main guns to be negated. Not a difficult thing for an Imperium Starcruiser to pull off, and as mentioned before it would have little problem handling the fire it was reciving.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Munch Munch! wrote:Actually, by the time the the events of "A New Hope", cloning had become scarce and mysterious. Most of the stormtroopers were recriuts. Your thinking of the republic which turned into the galactic empire. But the Empire did still had some clones left. They were spread far and wide. The only pure clone force was the famous and terrifying 501st Legion who were responsible for executing Operation: Knightfall, and putting down an insurgence on Naboo led by a rebel sympathiser who was callborating with jedi who survived Order 66 along with other famous battles.

You sure about that? Pretty sure Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers. The movies certainly make it out to be that way.


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anyways, we know a Space Marine can beat a Clone Trooper.

But what about a Space Marine vs. a Jedi?

Han Solo WAS an Imperial Storm Trooper before he became a smuggler. If memory serves, he got fed up with how the Empire treated Wookies, liberated Chewy (if not more) and took off like a bat out've hell. The reason Chewy follows Han EVERYWHERE is because Chewy owes a Life Debt to Han, something Wookies take very seriously.

dern good point. I think the wookies could take on the mperium if they had as big a force. one for one chewie would rip a space marines shoulder pad off and beat him in the head with it. If only there was more than one planet of wookies.

S6 T6 BS5 (all the good guys in star wars have at least that) WS6, W3, I5, Ld10, 4+ invul ("goodguys" save) fearless, fnp, furious charge.... yeah I could go on and on. Wookies rock.

and thats just their troops, if the movies are to be believed

A rubix cube... Nuff said.

The aftermath of beans night...

Super herpes?

From who? SMs don't have sex

From Genestealers. I leave you with that.

EagleArk wrote:A rubix cube... Nuff said.

Not the cube! NOT THE CUBE!!

The colours.... in a seemingly random order.... THE COLOURS!!

S_P

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Pretty sure Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers.

They are.....They all still have the same scream and grunt in a fight....plus. ....From what I've seen of Star Wars...almost EVERYONE hates the Empire. WOuld you join a military you hated? I think not good sir.
And would you rather destroy your population or create semi-mindless clones who'd do anything you'd say?

1. Chuck Norris. 'nuff said.
2.KITTEHZ FER THE WIN!
3. bunnys.period.
4.Rambo
5.YO MOMMA! She Flash them and they commit Suicide.
6.A pissed off Jill Valentine*FACE SLAP*
7. His wife.

me.


jks i think that hed die of gas cose when he farts where does it go????

Rosie O'Donnel?

The fail level in this thread?

People who use the term 'fail' about a joke thread. They are obviously cool enough to take on the marines. Kill 'em with lack of sense of humor? Marines who do not laugh and have fun are... um... all marines that are not space wolves?

Nobody ever responded about my quizzatch-hazzeracht army of the universe from Dune. I'm sorry but 'Universe' versus 'Galaxy' is a pretty large zone of control. Plus your leader is prescient, your personal force fields impenetrable by fast moving objects, and your followers are either absolutely fanatical brainwashed slaves like the sardukar, or ferociously loyal desert badasses like the fremen. I'm pretty sure once muad'dib established his sovereignty over the universe in the later Dune novels, he could kind of squash the Imperium like an annoying gnat. Doesn't anyone read classical sci-fi any more or is it just black library pulp nowadays that passes for writing by the most liberal definition of the word?

I would have responded but I no nothing of the Dune universe. =/

Hm, sorry Guitardian, but even Sardaukar (IIRC it's said a Sardaukar was the equal of ten soldiers in battle) or even the fanatic Fremens would be no match if every SM Chapter would gather up.
Yes, their shields are impenetrable by fast-moving objects, but you do know they go Huge BOOOOOM!!! when hit by lasers. And no one in the Imperium would have the slightest problem of sacrificing a Guardsman to wipe out an entire area.
Besides, SM's are resourceful, they would definitely whack anyone in CC, even with their Holtzmann shields. Furthermore, those fancy sandworm-tooth fremen swords wouldn't leave even a dent in their armor.
And there's also the Librarians. There's no equivalent unit in the Dune Universe and they would reap a heavy toll on anyone. Prescience is limited in the Dune Universe and by the time of Chapterhouse Dune it's virtually useless as lots of people have the gene passed on from Siona Atreides, which protects humans from the powers of prescience.
And also, the Bene Gesserit would stand against Muad'Dib and they are a formidable fighting force.
So no, Muad'Dib has no chance against the SMs. One yes, would be made short work of, but all of them, not a chance

If i may:
Space Marine WS4 BS4 Ld9
Storm Trooper WS1 BS1 Ld5

That seems about right, eh?

Yeah been a while since I read it. I forgot about the 'no lasers' accord for 'boom' reasons. Muad'dib:0, Imperium:+1 again.

It's been a while since i read them too, but as those have always been my favorite books, i kinda find it hard to forget certain things, even if i wanted to