Mantic Sci-Fi: WARPATH coming in October

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**Kanluwen**

Their Elves are thinner than everyone's.

With the exception of the upcoming "Evil Elf" Sorceress, their Elves are very 'meh'. They gambled with a new 'interpretation' of Elves, and I for one do not like it.

Can't speak for the rest of you guys, but there it is. They are far, far too skinny. It's not a question of them being 'slight'--it's just they look malnourished, especially given that they're supposed to be wearing full plate armor with chainmail padding and leather underneath.

**lord marcus**

Who said anything about chainmail? and padding can be thin.

**Alpharius**

kenshin620 wrote:

Bolt action is 28mm though, its just 28mm true scaled

"True scale" here meaning, of course, that they are more of a 'true 28mm' scale, and therefore smaller than you're used to seeing compared to GW's 'heroic' 28mm scale.

**plastictrees**

Yes, great, so now we know what size the Bolt Action plastics are.
How do the Mantic Dwarves, Orcs and Skeletons match up to GW equivalents size wise?

**kenshin620**

Methinks this is getting off topic but oh well here we go. I think the skeles match up the best but thats compared to the skeletons of vampire counts I think which are more true scaled compared to the old tomb king one

All of mantic's plastic compared to each other. The skele head does look a bit small

**plastictrees**

kenshin620 wrote:Methinks this is getting off topic but oh well here we go.

I think it's relevant, I'm just trying to get a sense of how likely it will be that their Warpath humans will mix well with GW humans.
Thanks for the comparison shots.

**Alpharius**

Only a little off topic, as it does show Mantic's scale/size when compared to GW's. Thanks for posting the pics!

kenshin620 wrote:

Man that GW Elf is a little too big, especially when compared to the Empire soldier.

Are we sure Elves are supposed to be T3?

**Kanluwen**

The GW Elf is a little big...until you realize he's wearing full plate armor versus the Empire model wearing cloth

**Scottywan82**

Actually, seeing them up close improves my opinion of the Mantic Elves.

I would only ask that they were taller and the shield wasn't so flimsy and lame.

**Kanluwen**

If you make them taller, the skinny effect only becomes more exaggerated.

Those proportions are just fine...if the Elf was naked. Even in some of the most generic fantasy settings, Elves wearing armor have the general proportions of a human wearing heavy clothing.

**Scottywan82**

I meant taller proportionately. I like the proportions, honestly, but at 28mm, they look like children, not elves.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

Depends what you consider an elf's physiology to be.
They are sometimes described as being around 5 foot tall and as being the size of children.

If you consider rlves as being taller then Mantics might be a tad small.

But again they are truescale not herioc like GW big heads

(before that starts an argument I do like GW elves

)

Going back to the skellies, the skull is a tad too large. The proportions are closer to 1:6 rather than the recommended 1:8

**Andrew1975**

I don't think the GW elf is that bad, look at his waist, it's much skinnier than the humans. Now I have seen GW elves that have giant Arnold arms, those I have problems with. I like what Mantic tried to with the elves, I just think they went a bit too far.

**Sidstyler**

I'm not going to argue with Kanluwen, but personally I don't mind someone trying to make more unnatural or even alien-looking elves, instead of sticking to the stereotype that every fantasy setting does and just making their elves exactly the same as humans but with pointy ears.

And I know he's wearing plate armor, but I'd like to think that there might be a difference between plate armor made for bigger, bulkier humans, and plate armor made by superior elven blacksmiths for their tiny, non-human frames.

And what the feth does this have to do with Warpath.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

That is my take too Sidstyler
Elves are lithe and skinny, and they have some amazing metallurgy with which to make thin, light plate for armour that is exceedingly tough.
That means it fits close to the slight elven figure.

Dwarves and Elves are non human imho

**kenshin620**

Sidstyler wrote:And what the feth does this have to do with Warpath.

Someone asked so I went out, guess its to think about how big their sci fi equivalents would be

**Ian Sturrock**

Even real-world, made-for-humans plate armour can be as thin as 1mm or so. That would be a thin, light suit, and even then would be thicker on the breastplate and helmet, but even adding 1.5mm or 2mm onto spindly elf arms isn't going to be much. Sure, they probably have padding under that, but probably not as much as humans do. They want light armour so they remain lithe and fast, right?

**Rick Dagless, MD**

Elves have traditionally been smaller than men. Up until 2nd edition dungeons and dragons, when they changed their definition of elves from being around five feet tall to man sized, most people viewed elves as smaller creatures than man. I don't understand the backlash against Mantic's elves. They are not like GW man-sized elves, but they surely fit into the more traditional definition of smaller beings.

**insaniak**

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Would take something pretty exceptional to reinvent body armour for sci fi troops.

Just to be clear here, I don't have a problem with them not being exceptionally ground-breaking... it's just that I'm going to be more excited about good quality generic scifi trooper miniatures than I am about sketches of generic scifi troopers.

**Chibi Bodge-Battle**

I apologise if my comment sounded like I was being critical of your post Insaniak, it wasn't certainly intended as such.

Your comment set me musing on the design of human trooper uniforms and armour, and what future developments might be.
Was thinking about how a company like Mantic might go about the process, and what I would do.

Sorry for any misunderstanding

**Kroothawk**

News/rumours from Mantic Open Days by Jasksta:
http://jasksta.tumblr.com/post/7420979788/mantic-open-day-news-rumours

I have just got back from the Mantic Open day and here are a list of the news and rumours from it that I can remember as I didn’t take any notes or anything. If there is anything I have missed just add it to the comments below. Apologies for no pics of the Warpath stuff but they were strictly no camera’s allowed

Warpath

7 of the 8 Races have been announced

Forgefarthers

Marauders

Zor’s – Bug Race

Plague – Zombie Race

Rebels – Mixed Race against the Corporation

Corporation – Human Race

Not Sure about Name – Basically Dark Eldar Models

8th Race – Nobody talks about the 8th race

Managed to see hands on some Forgefarthers mini’s and they look awesome.

Seen some of the concept sketches for the Forgefathers vehicles

Warpath Party on 12 November 2011

Kings of War

New Rules update should be done in about a month with updated army lists for Elves, Dwarf’s and the Undead totalling 100 new units.

Abyssal Dwarf’s will start to be made in Resin soon.

New armies are will be

Goblins -

Twilight Kin – Dark Elves – Ronnie let the people at the seminar vote for the name

Human Race – This is going to cover various types of, maybe even Fish Men

New Rule set shall be printed on A5 Like the journal and cost £2.50 but still free to download and harback copy 100 pages long to be done on A4 next year.

Mantic Journal to become fatter and done twice a year and eventually done on A4

Attached the pics from BoW as featured in the link by Gadge. Below that are the two limited Fantasy miniatures available on that event plus online for this weekend here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Show-Specials/Limited-Editions.html

**insaniak**

Goodness. Speaking of large heads...

**kenshin620**

Fishmen? Aliens? Looks like its time to start a lovecraft themed army....

**4M2A**

Wait the human race is going to include fishmen? I'm pretty sure it isn't since I have seen the draft list for the human units - they are basically empire and brettonians combined.

**kenshin620**

Such is the life of rumors

**plastictrees**

kenshin620 wrote:Such is the life of rumors

"Mantic's new Sci-Fi TTG to be entirely fish based says anonymous internet source."

**CT GAMER**

insaniak wrote:Goodness. Speaking of large heads...

It is called a "maw beast".

**AlexHolker**

Rick Dagless, MD wrote:I don't understand the backlash against Mantic's elves.

It's simple: their bodies are too gaunt to possess a healthy muscle tone, meaning the first thing that comes to mind is not "elf", it's "concentration camp survivor". Their poor body shape means they are both ugly and unconvincing as a martial race.

4M2A wrote:Wait the human race is going to include fishmen? I'm pretty sure it isn't since I have seen the draft list for the human units - they are basically empire and brettonians combined.

Could you be thinking of Neldoreth and Matt Gilbert's fanlist? Do you remember seeing an "Age of Humanity" army special rule?

**lord marcus**

Apparently the first moulds for the forgefathers were in the secret room with a select few got to see. no cameras allowed unfortunatley, but reports make them out to look amazing.

The Twilight kin were shown, and there are pictures on the web. Apparently a limited number of army sets were available for purchase.

**Pacific**

Just to add a small side note regarding the look of the Marauders, the image below (and the general RT image of orks as being far less bestial than they are in their current incranation) is the first thing I saw of when I saw the concept drawing. The nostalgic part of me really hopes for this different, 'ork as mercenary and pirate rather than savage-mushroom beast', more RT like idea. Not so much the armour/equipment, but the general anatomy. I hope I'm right!