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queen_annes_revenge wrote: I like the sound of Switzerland. Do you have mandatory mask laws for supermarkets?
No, not yet, mandtory distancing and during public transportation masks, with a lot of leway in regards to local government tackling the issue locally whith central government playing firebrigade reserve and frontline at the same time.
Overread wrote: QAR what about the USA patten. They locked down, ended early and now have a second spike worse than the first. What you describe would only happen with either a slow spreading virus or with a majorityv of the population exposed, ergo herd immunity.
With a fast spreading virus it csn most certainly creat a secondary spike and worse. Especially as time goes on into winter and people want to spend more time indoors and food and other establishs want to have more normal customer numbers
why bring up the US, when israel is the literal case study par excellence, infact even acting quite well in the initial phase only to botch it with the reopening?
One could suggest that a state could react TOO well. In the sense that they are just delaying the inevitable. 'squashing the sombrero' so much that the bulge pops out at the opposite end.
not the issue, but more likely too much discipline demanded in one fell swoop, encouraged too much by the good numbers and then gotten complacent only to get fethed up again by it most likely.
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Future War Cultist wrote: I don’t know why anyone even bothers studying for a doctorate anymore anyway. It’s all on Google.
The entire University system is flawed. Universities used to have a a monopoly on knowledge and they were few in number. Now Knowledge is free, yet there are more Universities than ever. They are essentially there to put ribbons on your chest. Not to say that some degrees are skill degrees and those do have value. The majority of degrees being offered have practically 0 value except to prove that you can accomplish tasks in a given time frame...which honestly...has already been proven by a child leaves high-school. Having done it all I can attest - you learn more by working jobs than you will ever learn in school. The university system needs to be redesigned to give people skills...knowledge is free - teach them how to find it - not regurgitate it from memory after forcing them to cram it...
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"Don't let the fear of death steal from you the joy of living" - Anon
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Maybe because while knowledge is free and easy to acess, GOOD knowledge requires effort, time and a willingness to go outside your comfort zone.
Also, Universities dont just pour knowledge in you like you are a funnel.
They build up a person who doesnt just know things, but know how to go about learning to know new things and understanding
Yeah i can go read about how vaccines work and the ingrediants and parrot them, but knowing how they truly work is a skill in and off themselves.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Maybe because while knowledge is free and easy to acess, GOOD knowledge requires effort, time and a willingness to go outside your comfort zone.
Also, Universities dont just pour knowledge in you like you are a funnel.
They build up a person who doesnt just know things, but know how to go about learning to know new things and understanding
Yeah i can go read about how vaccines work and the ingrediants and parrot them, but knowing how they truly work is a skill in and off themselves.
Don't get me wrong. Some fields have skills and require the standard grind of a university system. Bio-chemistry is one of them. You need to know how to work in a lab / use the tools involved / and apply knowledge from lots of different fields. I am just saying it has flaws. The majority of degrees they offer have no actual value in the real world.
In my personal experience I learned more useful skills while working at a restaurant than I did from any college class I took.
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Will someone please just headshot me? Preferably with a heavy bolter if not a lascannon.
It is truly shocking and horrifying how many of my friends and relations have immediately jumped on this bandwagon 'because they're doctors, or because she's a doctor'.
The cognitive dissonance involved in simultaneously devaluing the CDC, WHO and our country's head epidemiologist Dr. Fauci, while taking the word of this previously unknown individual because she's a doctor is staggering.
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Not Online!!! wrote:I will ignore the rather condesecending tone and chalk up the rather instantanious skip from General scepticism of government to instantly
putting people into the conspiracysphere on cultural difference.
News Flash: there are countries with cultures that baseline feel that Central power of government is inherently dangerous due to accumulation of power, REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is. These put the onus into the capability of their citizens to Act themselves and the lower regional Levels.
The only question then is the question of legitimate implementation respectively if the Central authorithy has a right to Act at that instance and that entirely depends how entrenched that specific culture is and how the decision process worked and therefore was legitimate enough in it's execution. And nothing, absolutely nothing with conspiracy nutjobery.
I know that different cultures have different levels of comfort when it comes government authority but one has to be cognisant of what the government is actually asking for (masks). I'd think some degree of proportionality should considered when it comes to one's skepticism instead of absolute scepticism of everything. If one literally has a knee jerk reaction about every government action without evaluating its worth (the "REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is" bit) then it does feel on the conspiratorial side of the spectrum to me.
Ohh boi, so therefore we swiss are all conspirational nutjobs […]
There's nothing conspirational the scepticism torwards central authorithy if it takes actions bypassing the process of legitimisation over here, as it would do would the central government declare mandatory mask duty overall.
I never said that, I went from your statement (the bolded part): […]there are countries with cultures that baseline feel that Central power of government is inherently dangerous due to accumulation of power, REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is
That reads like you could have voted for somebody, given them certain governmental powers (on a federal level), and would immediately contest all of their actions. Kinda what the Republicans did under Obama just even more extreme, not what you wrote in the rest of the post (essentially about voting, power, and responsibilities being close to the people with fewer responsibilities on the federal level, which is also in the spoilered part) or extreme right wing libertarian ideas about government. And that type of stuff I would very much put in the nutjob category.
Lol, unlike you over the rhine you forget one crucial part, HALF-DIRECT- DEMOCRATIC- SYSTEM, it is expected of us , to not just vote in the odd representative but to act and VOTE on our own on any policy which may or may not be contrary to what an elected offical state wishes. Also contrary to you, we actually have more parties in my little part of switzerland then you have over all your country parties aleigning with a much broader political spectrum indeed, which govern in what is called a Konkordanz system, which is also something that makes the controll of the people and legitimisation process MORE relevant, through votes, which you could've looked up instead of throwing me in a bin with Libertarian americans and declare me a nutjob.
But that would've required action and actual understanding of a point made, which would've required actual research. But then again i expected no less.
Well, you did mention bits and pieces of that and I understand that Switzerland has directer democracy but that phrase still make it look like it looked. Maybe don't use such absolute statements if you don't want to accidentally sound like the extreme end of certain political ideologies?
The first study, published Monday in JAMA Cardiology, found that three-quarters of recovered COVID-19 patients were left with structural changes to their hearts, even two months later.
The researchers examined cardiac MRIs from 100 recovered COVID-19 patients between the ages of 45 to 53, and compared them to MRIs of similar people who did not contract the virus. Most of the COVID-19 patients had recovered at home, while 33 had to be hospitalized at some point in their illness.
Of the 100 COVID-19 patients, 78 had structural changes to their hearts. Within that group, 76 had a biomarker that is typically found in patients who had a heart attack, and 60 had heart inflammation, called myocarditis. The patients were all “mostly healthy … prior to their illness,” the researchers said.
Matt Swain wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/doctor-retweeted-by-trump-has-warned-of-alien-dna-sex-with-demons/ar-BB17iaN4
Will someone please just headshot me? Preferably with a heavy bolter if not a lascannon.
It is truly shocking and horrifying how many of my friends and relations have immediately jumped on this bandwagon 'because they're doctors, or because she's a doctor'.
The cognitive dissonance involved in simultaneously devaluing the CDC, WHO and our country's head epidemiologist Dr. Fauci, while taking the word of this previously unknown individual because she's a doctor is staggering.
Not Online!!! wrote:I will ignore the rather condesecending tone and chalk up the rather instantanious skip from General scepticism of government to instantly
putting people into the conspiracysphere on cultural difference.
News Flash: there are countries with cultures that baseline feel that Central power of government is inherently dangerous due to accumulation of power, REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is. These put the onus into the capability of their citizens to Act themselves and the lower regional Levels.
The only question then is the question of legitimate implementation respectively if the Central authorithy has a right to Act at that instance and that entirely depends how entrenched that specific culture is and how the decision process worked and therefore was legitimate enough in it's execution. And nothing, absolutely nothing with conspiracy nutjobery.
I know that different cultures have different levels of comfort when it comes government authority but one has to be cognisant of what the government is actually asking for (masks). I'd think some degree of proportionality should considered when it comes to one's skepticism instead of absolute scepticism of everything. If one literally has a knee jerk reaction about every government action without evaluating its worth (the "REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is" bit) then it does feel on the conspiratorial side of the spectrum to me.
Ohh boi, so therefore we swiss are all conspirational nutjobs […]
There's nothing conspirational the scepticism torwards central authorithy if it takes actions bypassing the process of legitimisation over here, as it would do would the central government declare mandatory mask duty overall.
I never said that, I went from your statement (the bolded part): […]there are countries with cultures that baseline feel that Central power of government is inherently dangerous due to accumulation of power, REGARDLESS what the action of the Central government is
That reads like you could have voted for somebody, given them certain governmental powers (on a federal level), and would immediately contest all of their actions. Kinda what the Republicans did under Obama just even more extreme, not what you wrote in the rest of the post (essentially about voting, power, and responsibilities being close to the people with fewer responsibilities on the federal level, which is also in the spoilered part) or extreme right wing libertarian ideas about government. And that type of stuff I would very much put in the nutjob category.
Lol, unlike you over the rhine you forget one crucial part, HALF-DIRECT- DEMOCRATIC- SYSTEM, it is expected of us , to not just vote in the odd representative but to act and VOTE on our own on any policy which may or may not be contrary to what an elected offical state wishes. Also contrary to you, we actually have more parties in my little part of switzerland then you have over all your country parties aleigning with a much broader political spectrum indeed, which govern in what is called a Konkordanz system, which is also something that makes the controll of the people and legitimisation process MORE relevant, through votes, which you could've looked up instead of throwing me in a bin with Libertarian americans and declare me a nutjob.
But that would've required action and actual understanding of a point made, which would've required actual research. But then again i expected no less.
Well, you did mention bits and pieces of that and I understand that Switzerland has directer democracy but that phrase still make it look like it looked. Maybe don't use such absolute statements if you don't want to accidentally sound like the extreme end of certain political ideologies?
The first study, published Monday in JAMA Cardiology, found that three-quarters of recovered COVID-19 patients were left with structural changes to their hearts, even two months later.
The researchers examined cardiac MRIs from 100 recovered COVID-19 patients between the ages of 45 to 53, and compared them to MRIs of similar people who did not contract the virus. Most of the COVID-19 patients had recovered at home, while 33 had to be hospitalized at some point in their illness.
Of the 100 COVID-19 patients, 78 had structural changes to their hearts. Within that group, 76 had a biomarker that is typically found in patients who had a heart attack, and 60 had heart inflammation, called myocarditis. The patients were all “mostly healthy … prior to their illness,” the researchers said.
First: General scepticism torwards any Act of the government is encouraged for any democratic society for it is the measuring Stick of how you Shall vote Next time and for what people should stand up.
Secondly: that doubly applies to states that have to let people vote on policy in general ,last but not least simply for the fact that suggestions should be broadly discussed in Order to Find a workable solution.
Because scepticism sparks debate. Debate sparks actual exchange of ideas.
Thirdly: and more specific to us , switzerland formed into a federal state ontop of an Civil war , the only reason why it didn't escalate into comparable butchery to the acw or other older quite common Civil wars within switzerland was a compromise solution in the first place for decentralisation and later on the implementation of direct democratic institutions.
Therefore what you percived as radical is merely expected baseline consensus, a consensus so Deep that the governing Parties themselves got changed forever. Regardless if they are socialist or peasants and small buissness Party.
As for the link, that is a devastatingly high Rate of changes to heart structure, granted 100 patients only but with such a Rate in seriously doubt that that is just a fluke.
Not to mention the evidence for issues tied to heart and Lung damage .
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“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.” - Cheif Tecumseh
"Don't let the fear of death steal from you the joy of living" - Anon
Bravo, and what do those guys have to say about doing something trivial that might prevent you accidentally killing Doris from round the corner?
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“Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die; and none are fit to die who have shrunk from the joy of life and the duty of life. Both life and death are parts of the same Great Adventure.” - Theodore Roosevelt
“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.” - Cheif Tecumseh
"Don't let the fear of death steal from you the joy of living" - Anon
Bravo, and what do those guys have to say about doing something trivial that might prevent you accidentally killing Doris from round the corner?
Teddy would probably hold a speech whilest wearing a Mask ridiculing his opponents so thouroughly he'd get reelected.
After that he'd Grab the nearest competent epidemologist put him in Charge and go in to bust monopolies, and do other Teddy things, probably Planting trees against climate Change...
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Teddy would give a speech in an airtight plastic chamber while suffering from Covid then complain about not being allowed to hunt on the national parks he designated himself. Probably with a bunch of heavy metal bands playing while flaming sharks jumped through razor hoops in the background.
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Will someone please just headshot me? Preferably with a heavy bolter if not a lascannon.
It is truly shocking and horrifying how many of my friends and relations have immediately jumped on this bandwagon 'because they're doctors, or because she's a doctor'.
The cognitive dissonance involved in simultaneously devaluing the CDC, WHO and our country's head epidemiologist Dr. Fauci, while taking the word of this previously unknown individual because she's a doctor is staggering.
That woman needs her license revoked.
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Do you know how many people I have seen in the last day and a half defending that Dr? It has been outrageous. "SHE DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT IN THE VIDEO FACEBOOK IS TRYING TO HIDE IT OMG OMG" I wish I was making this up. If I was this creative, I would have written some scary as feth books by now.
Another ‘laugh’ are the idiots who say ‘ignore all the alien and demon gak and just focus on the arguments she makes for hydroxychloroquine‘, or ‘ignore her and focus on the other doctors who support the use of hydroxychloroquine’. It’s pathetic.
Future War Cultist wrote: I don’t know why anyone even bothers studying for a doctorate anymore anyway. It’s all on Google.
The entire University system is flawed. Universities used to have a a monopoly on knowledge and they were few in number. Now Knowledge is free, yet there are more Universities than ever. They are essentially there to put ribbons on your chest. Not to say that some degrees are skill degrees and those do have value. The majority of degrees being offered have practically 0 value except to prove that you can accomplish tasks in a given time frame...which honestly...has already been proven by a child leaves high-school. Having done it all I can attest - you learn more by working jobs than you will ever learn in school. The university system needs to be redesigned to give people skills...knowledge is free - teach them how to find it - not regurgitate it from memory after forcing them to cram it...
You have misunderstood the role of universities in regards to how they distribute knowledge. University doesn't teach you knowledge, it teaches you how to search for, analyse and critically evaluate knowledge.
University educated learner know the difference from reading an empirical study themselves, and reading a blog from an average Joe who is claiming their anecdotal experiences are proof.
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I'd argue that you don't need a university education to be able to do that. I'd also argue that that is becoming less and less the case, but that is heading off topic
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I'd argue that you don't need a university education to be able to do that. I'd also argue that that is becoming less and less the case, but that is heading off topic
I'd agree with you, however people that exist in their bubbles and are not challenged in regards to their views/conclusions tend to not progress and develop and truthfully critically analyse a topic, at university there are consequences to not doing that.
Whilst it is off topic, it is closely related to the topic, extremely ironic argument I know, it is my social cohort that is not university educated that is extremely dismissive of the scientific evidence, focussing on the anecdotal than those that are university educated.
I still remember my tutor at university and what she basically said about evidence and findings and forming your own conclusions without much substance to back them up. Effectively you do not have a valid opinion on topics or findings to form new theories and/or conclusions until you have at least completed a masters, then you have put the work in and demonstrated you have the skills and knowledge to have an actual opinion, so until you have earned that right, shut up and follow the evidence, analysing for reliability and validity along the way to ensure you do not fall into traps. You aren't creating your own conclusions, you are choosing the most scientifically valid and reliable finding that already exists for your conclusion.
Something many within the social media sphere do not grasp and respect.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: I'd argue that you don't need a university education to be able to do that. I'd also argue that that is becoming less and less the case, but that is heading off topic
I'd agree with you, however people that exist in their bubbles and are not challenged in regards to their views/conclusions tend to not progress and develop and truthfully critically analyse a topic, at university there are consequences to not doing that.
Whilst it is off topic, it is closely related to the topic, extremely ironic argument I know, it is my social cohort that is not university educated that is extremely dismissive of the scientific evidence, focussing on the anecdotal than those that are university educated.
I still remember my tutor at university and what she basically said about evidence and findings and forming your own conclusions without much substance to back them up. Effectively you do not have a valid opinion on topics or findings to form new theories and/or conclusions until you have at least completed a masters, then you have put the work in and demonstrated you have the skills and knowledge to have an actual opinion, so until you have earned that right, shut up and follow the evidence, analysing for reliability and validity along the way to ensure you do not fall into traps. You aren't creating your own conclusions, you are choosing the most scientifically valid and reliable finding that already exists for your conclusion.
Something many within the social media sphere do not grasp and respect.
For that though you need a university that is diverse in viepoints within, something in recent years sadly has become rather infuriatingly low in some ...
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Dreadwinter wrote: Do you know how many people I have seen in the last day and a half defending that Dr? It has been outrageous. "SHE DOESN'T EVEN SAY THAT IN THE VIDEO FACEBOOK IS TRYING TO HIDE IT OMG OMG" I wish I was making this up. If I was this creative, I would have written some scary as feth books by now.
nothing to do with creativity though, it's all common conspiracy stuff just recombined again and again...
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I can concur with your line of thinking to a degree there, but I think claiming you need a master's degree to effectively be 'allowed' to make claims or assertions on a given topic is a bit of a push. A master's is essentially an arbitrary judgement made my a given person on the subject. So if that's the case, how do they have any authority to make that arbitrary benchmark? The answer is that people with various levels of knowledge on the subject got together and decided the terms.
Because the people that award the masters are PhD's/Professors. If you are chatting bubbles, you aren't being awarded the title, at that point you would hope that the person doesn't relent on the process, I'm sure it does happen, but then those people are weeded out in the wider research field, where it is ethical boards, and peer reviewed publication platforms where if they want their opinion to be trusted they have to jump through those hoops. Again, there are problems within those areas as well, but I much prefer a highly educated person with specific knowledge on a subject being the ones to give advice than Sharon from High Wycombe forming conclusions and then passing those on to others as advice when her sources are good morning britain and loose women.
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Well yes of course, but as with everything in life, it's not a zero sum game. There are plenty of people occupying varying degrees of the middle ground between those 2 extremes, many of whom are perfectly capable of critically examining evidence and drawing their own conclusions.
You are surely aware of the appeal to authority fallacy? Theres a reason this exists, so as to allow people to challenge ideas that are asserted on the basis of high qualifications. For example, there are plenty of doctors who espouse anti vax and other quack ideas. Is my criticism of them invalid because they have a medical degree and I don't?
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: Well yes of course, but as with everything in life, it's not a zero sum game. There are plenty of people occupying varying degrees of the middle ground between those 2 extremes, many of whom are perfectly capable of critically examining evidence and drawing their own conclusions.
You are surely aware of the appeal to authority fallacy? Theres a reason this exists, so as to allow people to challenge ideas that are asserted on the basis of high qualifications. For example, there are plenty of doctors who espouse anti vax and other quack ideas. Is my criticism of them invalid because they have a medical degree and I don't?
It's the nature of academia and research that at points, contention will arise, and sometimes, the minority is in fact correct (or more likely, as technology and practices adapt, we realise long held theories are not actually correct, or the mechanism for their results are not as we once thought). So no I do not disagree with you there, but at the same time, it must be comparable experts making these counter arguments upon extremely sound reasoning, not someone outside of that realm. Look in the UK now, with how much advice is constantly changing in regards to COVID, why is that? It's because Bo Jo has not followed expert advice to its full extent from the start or cherry picked advice (that was from a minority of experts i.e. herd immunity idea), he has taken the advice and created his own conclusions in regards to how to deal with the matter... As far as I am aware he is not doctor or virologist, how much has this cost us in terms of prolonging the lockdown and deaths?
Just to address your point on doctors. When talking about academia and experts, I am usually referring to people directly involved within research (mainly from scientific fields as well, the 'arts' and social sciences are typically unsound in regards to stringent research practices and have a long way to go in regards to holding their fields to a high level of validity, reliability and account). Doctors are interesting, in that they are an expert, but unless they are engraved within a specialist field, and perform constant CPD (which you would hope) then they may be not actually an expert in that specific field, to the point they could have as much knowledge on that specific matter as an undergrad to be brutally honest. You wouldn't take advice from a GP about potential surgery, you'd take advice from a surgeon, and then if needed due to severe/niche problems, you'd take advice from surgeons who have specific specialist knowledge and experience for the issue.
Similar to how I am a sport scientist, I have knowledge in areas of anatomy, physiology and biochemistry, however they are not my specialist fields, and for all I know my knowledge could now be outdated.
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I feel you..I think we're on the same page.
Sport scientist eh... I'm something of an armchair physiologist myself, on account of all the overuse injuries I've sustained over the past few years. Ha.
While not Coronavirus per se, at least until we have a vaccine, this meme does address the idea that we laypeople, however strong our googlefu, cannot in fact create opinions on these topics. I'm not saying we can't evaluate arguments critically, or research other experts, because we should.But ultimately if an epidemiologist says we need to do this to beat the coronavirus, and it's worked in every country that did it, we should mask and contact trace.
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I can talk about virus loads, rate of infection, and mortality rates (that I looked up in the last couple of months).... but someone who has steeped themselves in the study of disease for 30 years, studying emerging outbreaks year after year is going to be far more knowledgeable than I am.
Dr. Demon Semen illustrates the need to evaluate our sources, but we also have to accept what our sources tell us once we have evaluated their arguments and credentials even if it isn't intuitive.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: A master's is essentially an arbitrary judgement made my a given person on the subject. So if that's the case, how do they have any authority to make that arbitrary benchmark?
Undergraduate and masters awardS are given on the basis of predetermined indicators of achievement. The marking schemes, examination types, questions asked, penalties applied, allowances granted, and marks themselves for each piece of coursework are subject to review by departmental panels and by external examiners from other institutions. These examiners' meeting are long and detailed and produce comprehensive, published critiques annually and which the examined institution has an obligation to act upon.
It's not one lecturer going 'yeah sure. That seems fine'.
PhDs are a slightly different game, where it is the opinion of two persons, but the examinations are thorough and sometimes, probably more often than they should be, brutal.
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why bring up the US, when israel is the literal case study par excellence, infact even acting quite well in the initial phase only to botch it with the reopening?
Because the US has quite a large number of people with exactly the same views as QAR. . . "refusing" to wear masks, thinking its BS that they should be asked to do so, assuming that just because no one in their immediate circle has announced being tested positive means proof of it being impossible for them to get it, DEMANDING that "the economy" reopen, no matter the cost. Thinking that "only" 1% mortality means its totally not serious enough to warrant any of this kind of reaction, etc.
Like, yes, globally this thing has a ~1% mortality rate. . . and that is largely down to actions of government: mask mandates, SIP/quarantine orders and the like. My home state, based on reported numbers is still sitting at around 3% mortality rate, which was the projected rate way back in February/March timeframe.
Seriously, the US is botching the handling of the entire situation, its no wonder we're on all the "do not allow admittance" orders and our land mass neighbors are closing their borders to us
why bring up the US, when israel is the literal case study par excellence, infact even acting quite well in the initial phase only to botch it with the reopening?
Because the US has quite a large number of people with exactly the same views as QAR. . . "refusing" to wear masks, thinking its BS that they should be asked to do so, assuming that just because no one in their immediate circle has announced being tested positive means proof of it being impossible for them to get it, DEMANDING that "the economy" reopen, no matter the cost. Thinking that "only" 1% mortality means its totally not serious enough to warrant any of this kind of reaction, etc.
No. I think its BS that the government is FORCING me to wear one or forfeit the ability to feed my family.
I've also never claimed its impossible for me to get it.
Don't misquote me for the sake of your own argument.
No. I think its BS that the government is FORCING me to wear one or forfeit the ability to feed my family.
Click and Collect
Home Delivery
Asking a friend
Asking a local restaurant/pub/other establishment - many have done food orders for people who are otherwise unable/willing/unsafe to shop out themselves.
That's 4 ways you can get food without going into the shop - granted click and collect likely would require you to wear a mask to pick things up. That said there's several viable ways you can get access to all the food you need without having to enter a shop. Furthermore barring the first weeks of lockdown, most of those services are running pretty smooth and easily now in most areas of the country.
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