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For me it was the vehicle damage table with the addition of HP.

When I first started the game one of the things I loved best about 40k was the vehicle damage. I played orks against my friends IG, and I loved playing the "how destroyed is destroyed enough" game with his tanks. I also loved my old Ramshackle rule with my trukks, which led to me creating an entire Trukk boyz army, as the Kareen result never failed to make me laugh.

The addition of hull points made my mechanized guard army sad

When they nerfed Entropic Strike so it didn't work on Super-Heavies.

Random charge range. Nothing has damaged my fun with the game more than "lol your space marine captain, veteran of over 1000 battles, tripped over his shoelaces."

Lolrandom traits/powers are a very close second.
"This is Timeus, my chapter's lead librarian, known for using powerful psychic buffs and jumping into combat."
"Oh? So he knows iron arm, or warp speed, or endurance?"
"...no. Apparently he has smite enfeeble and hemorrhage today. >.>"
"And this is my captain, Roberticus of the 2nd company, who specializes in infiltration tactics."
"Oh so he has that infiltrate trait?"
"...no, today he is really good at fighting in ruins instead."
"So...that pair of aegis defense line pieces we put over in that corner?"
"...yeah."

All of 5th ed into 6th ed (and beyond).

Not being able to assault out of a rhino that remains stationary.

Pretty much anything that has to do with assault. Assault armies are how I loved to play the game. Now it is just a joke.

The change of ork's mob rule removed fearless boy hordes from my regular army lists. That made me sad.

Coming in a close second would be hull points because everything glances my trukks to death now (except basic IG infantry, they're cool).

These two together eliminated most of my army.

There is soo much i find to be dumb about the rules change, and most of them has been changed for no good reasons.

Assault related rules meanly.

Also how DtW works, if you're not someone who plays lots or at all with psykers, you're basically screwed.

After trying to give the new Power From Pain a fair shake, I think I really prefer the old one. Sure, you don't have to worry about your opponent focus firing your pain tokens off the board, but you also don't get the visceral reward of killing a unit to earn pain tokens. My Cronos also misses tossing pain tokens to his friends, though he's found a new purpose as a super FNP generator. Wyches were reasonably durable back when you could take a cheap-as-dirt haemonculus with them that gave them 4+ FNP right off the bat. Putting multiple haemonculi (usually with one being an ancient kitted out with off-beat weapons) into a squad to start them off with stronger buffs was fun.

So Power From Pain and the old versions of the rules associated with it.

I was saddest to lose assault after infiltrating and going second in addition to losing assault after outflank

Cannot charge from a stationary transport.

I miss being able to sweeping advance straight into another enemy unit after a successful combat. My old World Eaters army was nasty back then.

Pretty much every change from 5th to 6th edition. For that is when I stopped playing the game. I just couldn't stand the direction that the game was going.

More random does not equal more fun.

Quite a few I tried to order them

-Losing the point cost for Formations -> you used to have to pay for the upgrades formations gave.
-The The losses in the ork codex.
-No more guessing ranges ( I really liked this it felt like an art) & Random charge ranges, this I hate. There is almost noting as stupid as rolling a 3 for your charge.
-Losing effective Tank shock
-Losing almost all terrain rules ( from 6th to 7th )
-Losing Focus fire.
-The introduction of a lot of re roll saves
-The poorly balanced Mealstorm missions cards :(
-The buffs eldar got
-Losing easy to make psy power checks and gaining horrible OP powers.
-The losses in the dark eldar codex
-No more assaulting after outflanking
-Losing the we will be back rule and replacing it with something dull but op.
-Losing the +1 I on furious charge

Taking away Zagstruk's whole schtick of being able to assault from Deepstrike and his commissar-esque executions for morale and reducing him to a dinky shadow of his former self. It stings all that much seeing all the recent space marine formations that allow charging after deep-strike. First the Shield of Baal BA formation, then the Skyhammer formation, and now the Raven Guard one. *sigh*

Wound allocation.

Assaulting out of a transport.

Terrain rules

Random psychic powers, random charge distances, random traits... Pretty much any random BS...

Loads of assault changes. Can't assault half the time for arbitrary reasons and in a game with very few turns that eats away at the damage output and survival rate for assault units. Yet their price hasn't gone down... Hits harder on armies that rely on close combat, especially now with the slap in the face that is Assault out of Deep Strike formations for loyalist scum only. If Assaulting was that big of a deal, they could have gone the Dark Angels route and make overwatch stronger.

Change from area terrain to TLOS

Wound allocation. Multiple times (back and forth) My favorite was when the person getting shot chose who died. Sure, the special guys lived the longest, but it was quick, generated zero arguments, and easy. My least favorite was the musical wounds of 5th. Some armys with multiple wound squads (GKs, Orcs) could abuse the holly tar out of it. Others just ate it. I like the idea of directional wounds, but I don’t think the overhead of actually allocating things with all the LOS! checks, seeing who’s the closest, etc, are worth the effort.

the_scotsman wrote:
For me it was the vehicle damage table with the addition of HP.

When I first started the game one of the things I loved best about 40k was the vehicle damage. I played orks against my friends IG, and I loved playing the "how destroyed is destroyed enough" game with his tanks. I also loved my old Ramshackle rule with my trukks, which led to me creating an entire Trukk boyz army, as the Kareen result never failed to make me laugh.

The Furious charge rule probably. Some units get furious chrge and hammer of wrath and for them no problem but some units really needed that init boost.

 Jancoran wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
For me it was the vehicle damage table with the addition of HP.

When I first started the game one of the things I loved best about 40k was the vehicle damage. I played orks against my friends IG, and I loved playing the "how destroyed is destroyed enough" game with his tanks. I also loved my old Ramshackle rule with my trukks, which led to me creating an entire Trukk boyz army, as the Kareen result never failed to make me laugh.

The Furious charge rule probably. Some units get furious chrge and hammer of wrath and for them no problem but some units really needed that init boost.

The loss of the bonus init when furious charge was changed, IMO something GW did right. When the rule first came out it was broken as all get out. Two bonus stats for no points increase. I've always felt that it should have just been a bonus to Strength, or if you really wanted to keep the bonus to Init. Then you should have lost a point to WS for that first round. Just to keep things balanced.

The whole of new IG codex. Maelstrom missions. But escalation was probably worse, almost killed the community here dividing in to those that can buy a recast titan and those that can't.

Makumba wrote:
The whole of new IG codex. Maelstrom missions. But escalation was probably worse, almost killed the community here dividing in to those that can buy a recast titan and those that can't.

The name killed it for me.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
For me it was the vehicle damage table with the addition of HP.

When I first started the game one of the things I loved best about 40k was the vehicle damage. I played orks against my friends IG, and I loved playing the "how destroyed is destroyed enough" game with his tanks. I also loved my old Ramshackle rule with my trukks, which led to me creating an entire Trukk boyz army, as the Kareen result never failed to make me laugh.

The Furious charge rule probably. Some units get furious chrge and hammer of wrath and for them no problem but some units really needed that init boost.

The loss of the bonus init when furious charge was changed, IMO something GW did right. When the rule first came out it was broken as all get out. Two bonus stats for no points increase. I've always felt that it should have just been a bonus to Strength, or if you really wanted to keep the bonus to Init. Then you should have lost a point to WS for that first round. Just to keep things balanced.

I don't think it was brken. i think the codex it was most characteristically attached to broke it. To be fair.

I think adding a SECOND ability for +1 init on charges could have been another answer. But after 6E came out and De-fangd the Blood Angels fairly thoroughly, I then felt like they actually needed something to compete. The standings by and large reflected that.

It's not a rule I actually have much of in my lists so this is more of a dispassionate observation on my part but some units like for example the Penitent Engine badly need an init boost on the charge and not having one makes them nigh unplayable and badly limits the targets that it makes sense for them to charge. The old Furious charge on them would be great because while the sTR bonus would do nothing for them, the INIT bonus would.

There's other units i could get into also but the INIT issue is a biggee in many forces and It's just the only rule I kind of thought got nerfed TOO hard.

I don't like maelstrom missions. The actual scoring events seem largely irrelevant to the overall outcome of a battle and just serve to make it more like a board game. 'Pass GO this turn, collect D3 victory points!'

Maelstrom is way fun. I prefer those. i think it rewards the more flexible mind.

Ignoring the more faction specific problems like Mob Rule (which is horrible) the thing I hate the most was the absolute lack of detail on terrain rules. 6th edition terrain worked well enough and all they had to do was copy + paste them in 7th. Instead they removed large portions of the terrain rules for no real reason which just leaves a lot of room for issues and doesn't even help streamline the game.

 Jancoran wrote:
Maelstrom is way fun. I prefer those. I think it rewards the more flexible mind.

Maelstrom is really fun but the book rules for them shows a lack of play testing. Make a few house rules (such as the nearly universally agreed upon "discard and redraw impossible to achieve cards") and you have sometime really fun. That being said the game mode where you start off with 6 cards and reduce your hand size by 1 per turn snowballs so hard that the game is often decided by the end of turn 2 purely from card draw.

I only witnessed the change from 6th to 7th, so the biggest loss for me was... erm, not much. terrain levels, maybe. 6th to 7th was an improvement in almost all fronts, so not much to complain.

The loss of vehicle multitrackers in the 6th edition Tau codex. Because the idiot GW put in charge of writing the rules had no clue how the Tau worked they got turned into a one-dimensional giant anime robots with laser pointers army and the tanks were nerfed into useless paperweights.

 Peregrine wrote:
The loss of vehicle multitrackers in the 6th edition Tau codex. Because the idiot GW put in charge of writing the rules had no clue how the Tau worked they got turned into a one-dimensional giant anime robots with laser pointers army and the tanks were nerfed into useless paperweights.

This too... I always liked my Tau Tanks with a side of robots. Not robots with a sprinking of tanks. I still have no real desire to get back into Tau until they fix the tank/vehicle issues it currently has.