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Hard to believe anybody's already panicking and selling cheap copies of something that is still 10 days away from even being released.
   
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 Motograter wrote:
My local store couldn't sell dominion and ended up selling at cost (£85) just to get his money back. It seems to be doing rather poorly


What store? I'm sure some of the folks who live in the UK on the Stormcast FB page would love this info.

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Someone had to firesale pre-orders?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
   
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My store had to stop taking pre-orders to make sure there would be enough boxes to fill them.

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 Motograter wrote:
My local store couldn't sell dominion and ended up selling at cost (£85) just to get his money back. It seems to be doing rather poorly


He's going to really feel bad when he only gets a partial order in because they sold so well everywhere else. Seriously why sell it at cost when he probably could contact GW and say please cut back my order.

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Interestingly, all the local online shops still have it available to pre-order. They either produced a shedload, or the box had not much draw to it (which tbh I'm thinking might be the case- stormcast are never the big seller judging by how much hits ebay/swap groups immediately after, and the drab, weirdly lumpy orcs were the least inspired design AoS came up with to date, imo at least).
   
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It might also be that the lack of things selling out has more people on the fence than Indomitus where everyone went nuts. Yet even after Indomitus "sold out" it was easy to find both new and split stock for several months after (and before the second wave shipped)

   
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Methinks it was this one he was referring too. And has since sold out, because apparently not instantly selling out on the first day is a reason to cut your profit?
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You know, I thought it was an apologist strawman when someone defended the underprinting of Cursed City et al. by saying complainers would try to paint a release not selling out in day 1 as a failure... but it looks like some are actually trying

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Gw is damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Box sells out, gw is accused of being evil, fomo, anti-customers.
Box doesn"t sell out instantly, disaster, bad selling etc.

So players don't want boxns to sell out yet it's supposed to sell out or it's bad.

Gosh. I pity gw staff that bother to read forums.

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tneva82 wrote:
Gw is damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Box sells out, gw is accused of being evil, fomo, anti-customers.
Box doesn"t sell out instantly, disaster, bad selling etc.

So players don't want boxns to sell out yet it's supposed to sell out or it's bad.

Gosh. I pity gw staff that bother to read forums.


I don't think i have a shred of compassion left for any higher-up at GW after their constant price raising.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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I don't give a gak about GW's feelings but I'm effin happy that when I play in store and someone asks how to get into the game I can point at Dominion, stil there on the shelf, and say Grab that, best value for money.

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Anyone who was expecting Dominion to be a repeat of Indomitus clearly has no idea of the popularity gap between the two games.

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I'm not sure why your all getting your knickers in a twist over what I did. I took a calculated gamble and bought 60 Dominions. Monday morning only 23 sold and gamble hadn't paid off.

I didn't buy it to sell 1, 2 or 3 copies a week and have it taking up an awful lot of room and a lot of cash, I bought it to sell 40-50 over Sat-Sun then I can quite happily sit on the remaining boxes for the rest of the pre-order period and release. If it was gonna sell it would have mostly all gone on Sat. It didn't so I set about recouping my investment.

I've sold it all now with just a few corebooks left so I'm happy and can now go about reinvesting that money into other things.
   
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Or the two armies. Despite the best efforts of GW's marketers literally every edition release to try to turn Stormcast into Space Marines as the faction that everybody and their mother has multiple armies worth of, it's never worked.
   
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DiscoKing wrote:
I'm not sure why your all getting your knickers in a twist over what I did. I took a calculated gamble and bought 60 Dominions. Monday morning only 23 sold and gamble hadn't paid off.

I didn't buy it to sell 1, 2 or 3 copies a week and have it taking up an awful lot of room and a lot of cash, I bought it to sell 40-50 over Sat-Sun then I can quite happily sit on the remaining boxes for the rest of the pre-order period and release. If it was gonna sell it would have mostly all gone on Sat. It didn't so I set about recouping my investment.

I've sold it all now with just a few corebooks left so I'm happy and can now go about reinvesting that money into other things.


Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

Some fanboys just get really defensive about AoS.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
Or the two armies. Despite the best efforts of GW's marketers literally every edition release to try to turn Stormcast into Space Marines as the faction that everybody and their mother has multiple armies worth of, it's never worked.


From a business standpoint I don't see the problem with pushing Stormcast, what army in AoS would do better?

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DiscoKing wrote:
I'm not sure why your all getting your knickers in a twist over what I did. I took a calculated gamble and bought 60 Dominions. Monday morning only 23 sold and gamble hadn't paid off.

I didn't buy it to sell 1, 2 or 3 copies a week and have it taking up an awful lot of room and a lot of cash, I bought it to sell 40-50 over Sat-Sun then I can quite happily sit on the remaining boxes for the rest of the pre-order period and release. If it was gonna sell it would have mostly all gone on Sat. It didn't so I set about recouping my investment.

I've sold it all now with just a few corebooks left so I'm happy and can now go about reinvesting that money into other things.


Some people just don't understand the margins that an FLGs runs on and think they should sit on stock for an age or never take a risk and that their business will somehow thrive, despite all evidence to the contrary. Don't take it amiss.

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 ingtaer wrote:
DiscoKing wrote:
I'm not sure why your all getting your knickers in a twist over what I did. I took a calculated gamble and bought 60 Dominions. Monday morning only 23 sold and gamble hadn't paid off.

I didn't buy it to sell 1, 2 or 3 copies a week and have it taking up an awful lot of room and a lot of cash, I bought it to sell 40-50 over Sat-Sun then I can quite happily sit on the remaining boxes for the rest of the pre-order period and release. If it was gonna sell it would have mostly all gone on Sat. It didn't so I set about recouping my investment.

I've sold it all now with just a few corebooks left so I'm happy and can now go about reinvesting that money into other things.


Some people just don't understand the margins that an FLGs runs on and think they should sit on stock for an age or never take a risk and that their business will somehow thrive, despite all evidence to the contrary. Don't take it amiss.


An FLGS might be sitting on slim margins, but doing a big discount on your prerelease boxes literally three days after they first went up for preorder seems a bit preemptive.

This might have been a good opportunity for the store to push some Age of Sigmar demo days about a week before preorder goes up. Have some fully painted armies, offer lessons on how to play the game, let potential customers know that there's a big new edition coming with two full armies included and offer them 10% off the box if they preorder then and there.
   
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Goose LeChance wrote:
Anyone who was expecting Dominion to be a repeat of Indomitus clearly has no idea of the popularity gap between the two games.

Also, people actually know now that despite rumormongering to the contrary--it's more likely than not that the items in the box are going to see a separate release.

That was a big driver of Indomitus' sales. The constant hype from places like BoLS, Faeit, and indie shops that "once the boxes are gone, the models are too".
   
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In person stuff is on really shaky ground right now. The UK is broadly heading for another lockdown (heck based on the numbers we should be locked down right now but we aren't). I know a lot of stores are opening an hour later and closing an hour early because there isn't the footfall traffic unless you're a supermarket supplying food - ergo 100% essential. Most of the non-essential stores are operating less than normal hours and even some food stores are doing less here and there.


Right now is a really bad time to push for new gamers and foot fall coming in store. At least that's my impression. Current customers/gamers appear more willing to take the risks in general; but they are already invested.



   
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 Overread wrote:
In person stuff is on really shaky ground right now. The UK is broadly heading for another lockdown (heck based on the numbers we should be locked down right now but we aren't). I know a lot of stores are opening an hour later and closing an hour early because there isn't the footfall traffic unless you're a supermarket supplying food - ergo 100% essential. Most of the non-essential stores are operating less than normal hours and even some food stores are doing less here and there.


Right now is a really bad time to push for new gamers and foot fall coming in store. At least that's my impression. Current customers/gamers appear more willing to take the risks in general; but they are already invested.




Ah, you're absolutely right. I apologize, that hadn't occurred to me in the moment.
   
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Yep in a normal year I'd agree with you that having lots of nice starter boxes is a great way to tempt people in when they are new and stepping in through the door. Which might well be one impact stores are having to deal with. Whlist we know GW doubled sales last year, it might be more return and current customers spending more rather than fresh blood.

Fresh blood are more likely to get default starter sets because they don't have pre-existing attachments and concepts so a starter works; meanwhile established people (and honestly those more likely to do self research online and such) are more likely to only want certain products. So if the starter set hasn't got them it has instantly far less value to them.

   
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Goose LeChance wrote:

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Or the two armies. Despite the best efforts of GW's marketers literally every edition release to try to turn Stormcast into Space Marines as the faction that everybody and their mother has multiple armies worth of, it's never worked.


From a business standpoint I don't see the problem with pushing Stormcast, what army in AoS would do better?


It's probably the best, but the point is that Stormcast don't occupy nearly such a dominant position in AOS as SM do in 40k, so there is no faction you can put in the starter set that is guaranteed to appeal to 40% or more of the player base.

One of the best things about AOS is that it isn't a case of every second army being Stormcast. But that does mean that the appeal of the new edition sets is less than in 40k.
   
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I can’t remember if we’d seen stuff that was coming for Necrons and SM after Indomitus by this point when Indomitus was up for preorder, but seeing what else was coming for Kruleboyz, a bit more about where they sit in Warclanz and what else is coming for the Stormcast may have improved sales a bit too. I know personally my resolve would have been lower had I seen the rumoured giant crocodile model for the Kruleboyz, as an example.
   
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There was a foggy panorama pic where we saw a lot, if not all, of the future stuff for both army

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 streetsamurai wrote:
There was a foggy panorama pic where we saw a lot, if not all, of the future stuff for both army


Any link?

   
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I meant for indomitus, unfortunately

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Or the two armies. Despite the best efforts of GW's marketers literally every edition release to try to turn Stormcast into Space Marines as the faction that everybody and their mother has multiple armies worth of, it's never worked.


From a business standpoint I don't see the problem with pushing Stormcast, what army in AoS would do better?


It's probably the best, but the point is that Stormcast don't occupy nearly such a dominant position in AOS as SM do in 40k, so there is no faction you can put in the starter set that is guaranteed to appeal to 40% or more of the player base.

One of the best things about AOS is that it isn't a case of every second army being Stormcast. But that does mean that the appeal of the new edition sets is less than in 40k.


I was hoping that Lumineth – or some new aelvish army addition – was going to take the "good guy" spot this time around. Elf armies have more connection to classical fantasy tropes and LOTR fandom and I could see them being an easier sell than the Sigmarines. That said, trying to bootstrap a Space Marine equivalent makes sense from a narrative and business POV. I think it's worth remembering that AOS is just entering its sixth year and it's fourth with serious rules. It's hard to build up serious loyalty to an army in that short a period and I can't fault them for continuing to invest in it. My preference would be for them to be a bit more experimental, and I believe that the playbook that worked 25 years ago may not port as cleanly into the modern market, but they're the pros and the models look nice...

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yukishiro1 wrote:
One of the best things about AOS is that it isn't a case of every second army being Stormcast. But that does mean that the appeal of the new edition sets is less than in 40k.

and if GW would not try to push them, having different armies in the starter like in good old days would appeal to more people

because here the SCE players are not that hyped on again new models for their already large army that will be medicore at best with the next update

in WHFB we had Elves VS Goblins, Bretonnia VS Lizards, Imperium VS Orks, Dwarfs VS Goblins and Elves VS Skaven, while in 40k it was always Marines and it worked (but also because even Chaos could use the generic Marines and there was more than 1 Marine faction, while SCE are special models not generic ones)

for AoS it would have worked better if the new Starters would use a different faction instead of SCE, even Chaos VS Destruction would have worked (I imagine that a Chaos-Dwarf VS Orks Box would have generated much more hype here)

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Imagine the complaining had game sold out

Complaining if it sells out, complaining if it doesn't. Lol. This is rather funny.

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