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Sasori wrote:I wonder if we are going to see increased quality of finecast, when we start to see models designed for it.
So far, it just seems to be things that were designed in metal, and likely using Metal moulds for the Finecast.

I'm hoping there will be a difference, but we will see.

Thats what I'm hoping for, these casts were based on metal models masters and I wonder if when they do some miniatures optimized just for the Finecast we will start to see better results.

As far as it goes I can give some latitude to improvement since maybe these were made in a rush but I do not consider these cast satisfactory.

insaniak wrote:

Sasori wrote:...and likely using Metal moulds for the Finecast.

They're not using the moulds from the metals. The pics we've seen so far of the finecast, they've been on mini-sprues. So new moulds, just made (presumably) from the same (or slightly altered) masters.

I was under the impression from other posters that the "sprue" was actually how the metal models were made as well, but that in the case of metal the frame was removed.

Not unless GW use a very different spin-cast set-up to what they used to (they've shown pictures of the moulds in the past, with no evidence of this sort of sprue set-up) or to what pretty much everyone else on the planet uses.

There's no need for the sprue in a spin-cast mould for metal.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because GW are a corrupt company who have nothing but contempt for their fans. With any luck, and when all is said and done, this 'Finecost' nonsense will be just another turn on their slow death spiral.

Ive long found HBMCs posts to be bizarre warped ramblings, but this one takes the cake.

You WANT GW to disapear?

I don't, I like 40k, but for the life of me I cannot understand why you post on a website devoted to GW If you have such a distaste for the company, and your sigs are all ridiculous as well, your like some sort of battered wife who constantly slags off her abusive husband, but just cant bring herself to leave him.

Eilif wrote:The brand of Superglue is not nearly as important as the type/viscosity. All hobbyists owe it to themselves to have both a thick gap filling superglue and a thin watery superglue on hand at their workspace.

I have a hunch that the many folks who glue them selves to their work were using a thin runny superglue to attach metal parts when they should have been using a thicker gap-fililng super glue.

Likewise, when you've got two parts that are perfectly flat or an existing join that needs strenghthening, don't reach for the thick glue.

I've used many brands and never had a problem with them so long as I was using the right kind.

This is an excellent point. I've been doig this crap for decades and never thought about it like that.


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Eilif wrote:The brand of Superglue is not nearly as important as the type/viscosity. All hobbyists owe it to themselves to have both a thick gap filling superglue and a thin watery superglue on hand at their workspace.

I have a hunch that the many folks who glue them selves to their work were using a thin runny superglue to attach metal parts when they should have been using a thicker gap-fililng super glue.

Likewise, when you've got two parts that are perfectly flat or an existing join that needs strenghthening, don't reach for the thick glue.

I've used many brands and never had a problem with them so long as I was using the right kind.

This is an excellent point. I've been doing this crap for decades and never thought about it like that.

AvatarForm wrote:For everyone, Kirby has reviewed the Lord Draigo finecast resin:

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast.html

Enjoy!

I have to hand it to Tom Kirbby. That is the most honest, forthright review of a company's own products I've ever read. The man has integrity and guts to speak out in public like that.

Also I'm impressed by his modelling knowledge. I kind of had him pegged as a suit who only pretended to be interested in the games.

Well done, Mr Kirby!

insaniak wrote:

lunarman wrote:... rather than a place for freedom of speech

Er... what?

They're entirely within their rights to decide what remains on their own page. Whether or not deleting overly negative comments is a good idea or not is down to personal view ... but it's nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech entitles you to say what you want without fear of persecution. It doesn't entitle you to walk into someone else's house and abuse them without them having any say in the matter.

While people are understandably upset about all the recent shenanigans, let's all try to keep a little perspective and remember that this is ultimately about toy soldiers.

The difference is that GW don't 'own' their facebook page. Facebook does. If I walked onto their property in Nottingham and was rowdy that'd be an entirely different matter. But protesting on their facebook page is no different to protesting in parliament square in london (if a little less visible ). Because Facebook have set facebook up a public space then it's within my rights to say anything I like and not be moderated (except if I break Facebook's rules). In my opinion GW should either not have a facebook page, or get used to the fact that people have other than positive opinions about their products. They delete comments and block people when they criticise their pricing or decisions instead of listening to these people and either adjusting their business plan or explaining their decisions. Sure, it's just about toy soldiers; but not when you're a shareholder. I have a stake in their company and yet I can see them throwing themselves down the drain, losing customers left and right. And yet, they block me from voicing my views in the one place where the public and GW both can hear my opinion. I've sent letters and emails and rung their customer service line too, but no official response as of yet. Yes, I admit that I do post on facebook with the deliberate intent of informing the younger/move naive gamers about how GW acts and treats them, to make them aware, to help them join the boycott. The most visible place to do this is at their door itself.

As I said on facebook, GW hasn't given a valid response as to why these new Finecast miniatures are so expensive, and they won't. There is no reason other than to raise profit margins to cover their dwindling customer base and so they just put their fingers in their ears and say nothing. Pretending a problem is going to disappear doesn't make it vanish, and their massive disregard for their customers (and their shareholders too) has got me thinking that bailing out is a good thing to do. Shares are only going to drop in value if their customer base gets smaller and smaller.

My comment on facebook was about the fact the web-team are putting together an FAQ about the new finecast models based on questions asked on facebook. 50% of those questions were people asking why finecast was more expensive than metal despite being a cheaper material. And as I commented "There's not a chance in hell GW will mention the price of finecast in their FAQ. GW routinely refuses to talk about price because they know it's too high. If they explain why Finecast is so expensive in their FAQ, or just openly admit it's because they need high-profit margins, then I'll eat my entire Descent of Angels Army."

Lunarman

mattyrm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because GW are a corrupt company who have nothing but contempt for their fans. With any luck, and when all is said and done, this 'Finecost' nonsense will be just another turn on their slow death spiral.

Ive long found HBMCs posts to be bizarre warped ramblings, but this one takes the cake.

You WANT GW to disapear?

I don't, I like 40k, but for the life of me I cannot understand why you post on a website devoted to GW If you have such a distaste for the company, and your sigs are all ridiculous as well, your like some sort of battered wife who constantly slags off her abusive husband, but just cant bring herself to leave him.

40k will survive GW sinking... but likely won't if GW survives and continues doing the stupid crap they keep pulling. Sayonara GW!

Kilkrazy wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:For everyone, Kirby has reviewed the Lord Draigo finecast resin:

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast.html

Enjoy!

I have to hand it to Tom Kirbby. That is the most honest, forthright review of a company's own products I've ever read. The man has integrity and guts to speak out in public like that.

Also I'm impressed by his modelling knowledge. I kind of had him pegged as a suit who only pretended to be interested in the games.

Well done, Mr Kirby!

This is sarcasm right?

By the way, off topic I know, but when did GW go public?

nectarprime wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:Its only the top 100 sellers are getting redone + everything new that comes out in the future.

So everything else will still be metal? Source on this?

GW managers meeting info.

They got a walk through the plant and got the low down on the new resins. What I was told was:
-As of May 28th there will be no metal models in GW stores, everything is being shipped back to memphis
-Only the top 100 sellers are getting redone into resin, everything else is direct only
-GW suggests NOT using files on them as it will scratch the resin
-The usual propaganda about the "increased detail" lighter and better blah blah blah

mattyrm wrote:You WANT GW to disapear?

Yes. I want them to fail. To cease operating as a commercial entity. To vanish. Go. Be eliminated from the market place. How many different ways can I say this?

mattyrm wrote:I don't, I like 40k

As do I.

Liking 40K =/= liking GW.

mattyrm wrote:...but for the life of me I cannot understand why you post on a website devoted to GW

Really? This forum is devoted to GW? I thought it was devoted to 40K, Warhammer and a myriad of other games. I mean, just a gander at the N&R topics shows us Infinity, Privateer Press, Mantic, Dystopian Wars, Fantasy Flight Games.

But dedicated to GW? I've never seen that?

If you have such a distaste for the company...

Yes...

...and your sigs are all ridiculous as well...

And none of them were said by me, so I really don't know what you're getting at.

...your like some sort of battered wife who constantly slags off her abusive husband, but just cant bring herself to leave him.

An an ad hominem. Well done. I'd say "C-c-c-c-combo" but your post was so mindlessly confused that I don't think there's any line of coherent thought.

Ravenous D wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:Its only the top 100 sellers are getting redone + everything new that comes out in the future.

So everything else will still be metal? Source on this?

GW managers meeting info.

They got a walk through the plant and got the low down on the new resins. What I was told was:
-As of May 28th there will be no metal models in GW stores, everything is being shipped back to memphis
-Only the top 100 sellers are getting redone into resin, everything else is direct only
-GW suggests NOT using files on them as it will scratch the resin
-The usual propaganda about the "increased detail" lighter and better blah blah blah

Umm why didn't they keep the metal models in store and have the resin ones as well, wouldn't that have been easier?
So what they've essentially done is made it really difficult to get the more unpopular models?
Do obliterators fall under this? What else will be direct only?

mattyrm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Because GW are a corrupt company who have nothing but contempt for their fans. With any luck, and when all is said and done, this 'Finecost' nonsense will be just another turn on their slow death spiral.

Ive long found HBMCs posts to be bizarre warped ramblings, but this one takes the cake.

You WANT GW to disapear?

I don't, I like 40k, but for the life of me I cannot understand why you post on a website devoted to GW If you have such a distaste for the company, and your sigs are all ridiculous as well, your like some sort of battered wife who constantly slags off her abusive husband, but just cant bring herself to leave him.

Here's the thing as I see it.

I love 40k, love WHFB, LOVE BFG, love Necromunda, love Epic, love Mordheim, love Black Library books (lets have a few more non-SM centric novels folks), loved WHFRP, loved Dark Future, love most of the Citadel Miniatures, love Forgeworld. (love lamp... )

But I despise the company that owns them now, what it has become, what it thinks of it's self and most importantly what it thinks of us. Because I remember when it was not as it is now and have watched it become this paradox, constantly touting The Hobby louder and louder and at the same time becoming less and less about the hobby and far more about trying to be Wayland Yutani when in fact it's just the biggest fish in one of the smallest ponds in the world.

This frustration leads me and perhaps HBMC and others to finally be convinced that GW should fall now. That it should somehow end up shut down and a more enlightened company buy up it's IP and treat it with more care (and learn a lesson about pricing its self to death...). The likelihood of that is remote, but the current situation is frustrating and disappointing to those of us who do love the fluff but hate the corporation.

Something to be remembered whilst the arguments between the Haters and Apologists wage on this forum and others, is that many of us Haters still verymuch love the games and background and minis, we're just angry with the way the company is behaving.

IF anyone gets a Finecast model that has obvious issues (thin/see-through resin, broken/missing parts/etc.), just take it back - there's no way they can refuse replacement/refund.

And, if you get a replacement, open it right there in front of the salesperson...

Kirby wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:For everyone, Kirby has reviewed the Lord Draigo finecast resin:

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast.html

Enjoy!

I have to hand it to Tom Kirbby. That is the most honest, forthright review of a company's own products I've ever read. The man has integrity and guts to speak out in public like that.

Also I'm impressed by his modelling knowledge. I kind of had him pegged as a suit who only pretended to be interested in the games.

Well done, Mr Kirby!

This is sarcasm right?

Highly unlikely.

You are a treasure and should help me write my present 1750, 1850 and 2000pt Space Wolves lists... pretty please!

My LGS confirmed they will be selling Finecast this Saturday, I'll be picking up a couple things. I'm expecting it to be crowded.

AvatarForm wrote:Highly unlikely.

What?

AvatarForm wrote:

Kirby wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:For everyone, Kirby has reviewed the Lord Draigo finecast resin:

http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2011/05/citadel-finecast.html

Enjoy!

I have to hand it to Tom Kirbby. That is the most honest, forthright review of a company's own products I've ever read. The man has integrity and guts to speak out in public like that.

Also I'm impressed by his modelling knowledge. I kind of had him pegged as a suit who only pretended to be interested in the games.

Well done, Mr Kirby!

This is sarcasm right?

Highly unlikely.

You are a treasure and should help me write my present 1750, 1850 and 2000pt Space Wolves lists... pretty please!

I'm a what now >.<? lol

send an e-mail .

insaniak wrote:

HAZZER wrote:It's worth getting next months white dwarf.(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)..But it is pack with the info about the Citadel Finecast stuff and the battle report of the century..

Spoiler:

...its Eldar against their dark kind (Dark Eldar)!!!

...And a what the boxes will look like...

Spoiler:

...there's a picture on the front and a view of the sprew on the back...

...I honestly prefer the newest ones.

So... a battle report, and some pictures that are already all over the internet? And I can pay for it, you say? Sounds like an awesome deal!

Well it was your choice to read it, (I didn’t put info from WD into a spoiler for nothing)!


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ph34r wrote:

HAZZER wrote:(I received it today through the post subscriptions do have there advantages!)

Yeah, until the WD subscription system changes, and you get your WD a week after everyone else.

EDIT: And by "everyone else" I mean the 4 people that still buy WD in stores.

Well that’s stupid; if GW is going to go that with subscriptions they will sell less and less WD.

Ushabti have become a £30 finecast set of 3!

Any speculation as to what the "classified" blocks are for?

Something for Dark Eldar? And something for fantasy? Khalida perhaps?

I would guess the Grotesque and the liche.

Scottywan82 wrote:I would guess the Grotesque and the liche.

Everything looks like HQ though...(I might be mistaken however). Could it maybe be Duke Sliscus?

EDIT: Never mind, I just saw the nid and death jester...

Any speculation as to what the "classified" blocks are for?

To add a touch of Warhammer 40K flavor and to pique customer interest. I would say they succeeded.

The Ushabti are released just before Father's Day and my wife told me to go ahead and pre-order a set today when I go to GW Jennifer Square. Now that they are not metal and the price has come down a bit I can't resist.

Besides May 28 being the Finecast release it's also Celebrate the Day at the GW Jennifer Square in Annapolis and there's an Aaron Dembski-Bowden book signing at the new Bowie Battle Bunker. I may have to stop by two stores in the one day.

Frazzled wrote:

Eilif wrote:The brand of Superglue is not nearly as important as the type/viscosity. All hobbyists owe it to themselves to have both a thick gap filling superglue and a thin watery superglue on hand at their workspace.
I have a hunch that the many folks who glue them selves to their work were using a thin runny superglue to attach metal parts when they should have been using a thicker gap-fililng super glue.
Likewise, when you've got two parts that are perfectly flat or an existing join that needs strenghthening, don't reach for the thick glue.
I've used many brands and never had a problem with them so long as I was using the right kind.

This is an excellent point. I've been doig this crap for decades and never thought about it like that.

Thanks,
I should have made one more addition to that list. Those assembling metal models and not pinning should definitely consider a third kind of superglue, a thick, rubberized glue. I don't do much with large metal models, so I don't have any of this, but superglues with rubber in them allow you to assemble relatively heavy models and have the joints be relatively shock resisitent.
Gorilla and Bob Smith Industries (the brand you see in model shops with the model shop's name on it) both make super glues like this, but make sure you check the bottle to see that it specifically is rubberized. Not all Gorilla or BSI glues are rubberized.

lunarman wrote:[The difference is that GW don't 'own' their facebook page. Facebook does....

... But protesting on their facebook page is no different to protesting in parliament square in london (if a little less visible ). Because Facebook have set facebook up a public space then it's within my rights to say anything I like and not be moderated

Sorry, but this just isn't true. Asside from some government regulations that may -or may not- allow you to protect your privacy, you have no intrinsic rights on Facebook. Any rights you think you have only exist at the pleasure of facebook. Facebook will always retain the ability to censor you (though it's unlikely that they would) and Facebook has given each member the right to censor their own pages. I feel your frustration with GW, but it makes no sense to claim a right to "unmoderated free speech" in a venue where it simply doesn't exist.

If I may stretch the previously posted metaphor. Facebook may own the building, but when you're on GW's page, you're in thier living room. If they don't like you, out you go.

No it's all the clamshells. If it is coming in a box (like the Wracks) it isn't up there, but all the "blister" replacements are. Some of the ones up there are definitely not HQ. Zoanthrope, Da Vulcha, etc...

Scottywan82 wrote:No it's all the clamshells. If it is coming in a box (like the Wracks) it isn't up there, but all the "blister" replacements are. Some of the ones up there are definitely not HQ. Zoanthrope, Da Vulcha, etc...

I figured that out right before you posted that.

How many of these replacements are actually new models like the Haemonculus?

Maybe I missed it.. but has there been any talk of finecasting the metal nids? I've been wanting to get the current hive tyrant, but I figured now I may as well wait for the updated one. Or should I just get the metal one, so I can feel old school and cooler than all the other kids in 10 years?

I think the Hive Tyrant is in the selection. Hive Guard and Zoanthropes certainly are.

Metal models can easily be assembled with Araldite or E-6000 epoxy cement.

Not that it matters for GW kits any more.