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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Grinshanks wrote:
The Inquisitor rules are really as dull as dishwater.

Really? I think they're pretty great. Useful and not just a footnote.


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Biasn wrote:
Well if its only against the lone Sorcerer in the rubric its okay , but my point stands , psychic/Psyker is just a keyword with only nearly downsides no? There is no unit thats extra weak to psychic powers. A str4 -1 1dmg weapon is strong than a str4 -1 1dmg [Psychic] weapon

So far we've seen only defenses against psychic weapons and not weaknesses. I imagine we will not see a weakness.

I cant imagine aswell and that would be fine , if the psychic weapons are cheaper (or free) compared to other unit upgrades. Points make the whole deal , Rubrics are just worse Intercessors at this point no? (slightly worse gun , same stats etc) So if an Intercessor Unit with a similar gun would cost equal (or even less) than the Rubric squat they are just plain worse. Am i missin something?

After thinking about it , its even worse if there would a stratagem to turn a whole units weapons into [Psychic] if there is no extra bonus to that. You would assume that then your detachement can buff the guns of the whole squad , but that limits the design space of future detachements since you would always need a Psychic weapon interaction otherwise you wouldve created a completly useless stratagem.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good to see that all Inquisitors are psykers now, and that they all know the one psychic power. Cool.

Not all - only the ones you buy the "Psychic Gifts" wargear for (which is presumably required for the Shock Wave attack and Force Weapon).

You're not obligated to purchase every item of wargear listed on the datacard (and frequently aren't even permitted to).

"Today’s Faction Focus will be a little different, as Imperial Agents aren’t designed to operate as a faction in their own right – you’ll find no Detachment rules, Stratagems, or Enhancements in this Index. Instead, their units get to hang out with other Imperial armies, where their diverse skills can help mitigate a force’s potential weaknesses. "


RING RING RING

The Inquisition is dead! Long live the supplemental side units!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good to see that all Inquisitors are psykers now, and that they all know the one psychic power. Cool.

They aren't
See wargear: psychic gifts. Its a choice on the back of the datacard that gives them the keyword and the powers/force weapon.
Otherwise they'd just _have_ the psyker keyword.



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Vindicare seems excessive against lesser heroes. High chance of just one-shotting them, one per turn.

Agusto wrote:
"Really? I think they're pretty great. Useful and not just a footnote."

How? A 5+++ vs MW, which isn't a big thing in 10th, and a 3+ chance to get one CP if you used a Strat on the unit the Inquisitor was inbedded with. I would not call that pretty great.

Maybe if they are around 25p. But I really don't think they will be.

Also, no way to customize or make your own unique Inquisitor. Again.

Nothing says an eccentric and highly individual with unparrelled access to weapons, tech, intel and unlimited authority like *checks notes* identical models armed with an 'Inquisitor Melee Weapon' and a chance to earn back 1 CP. Truly thematic.

Gameplaywise I like the way 10th is shaping up 'to play', but I am increasingly salty at the loss of customisation and thematic rules (and even names of weapons!). It's a personal tatse thing, but I'd pick the latter over the former (why I do love Necromunda, why do you ask? lol)

Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Good to see that all Inquisitors are psykers now, and that they all know the one psychic power. Cool.

They aren't
See wargear: psychic gifts. Its a choice on the back of the datacard that gives them the keyword and the powers/force weapon.
Otherwise they'd just _have_ the psyker keyword.



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Vindicare seems excessive against lesser heroes. High chance of just one-shotting them, one per turn.

+1 on the Vindicare beeing way to good but it all comes down to points. Whats the point ratio for a good trade in one turn? 50% seems insane so either the Vindicare is really expensive like 3-4 times the cost of characters or its auto include against char heavy armies (hello 1KS)

I think that GW is saving their artistic energy and creativity for the next Primaris Lieutenant. Now with two tactical rocks!

I was thinking of necrons, since their opening detachment ability is 'add character to make unit functional' (+1 to hit), which demands a lot of characters.

Hmm, looks like the generic Combi-weapon profile finally works in my favor! I made a kitbashed Inquisitor using a spare Genestealer cultist body and slapped the top power coil of an Arc Pistol on the Autogun to make what I played as a Hotshot Lasgun. Now it's a perfect Combi Weapon!

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Edit 05/31/2023 'Long Time No C'

Valrak monges another rumour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddA1u3Ged5o

- Preorder stuff: preorder day 10th of June confirmed by sources he trusts
- Two week preorder phase
- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last
- No information about a later MtO
- There will be a queue on the website
- Limited to two copies per person
- Price point 200€/1500DK/1800SK/1650NOK
- The entire month of June will be hyping up free products that you can download
- 2nd of June: core rules and quickstart guide
- 5th of June: Leviathan datasheets
- 8th of June: Tyranid datasheets
- 9th of June: SM datasheets
- 12th of June: non-codex SM datasheets
- 13th of June: Chaos SM datasheets
- 14th of June: Imperium datasheets
- 15th of June: Xenos datasheets
- 16th of June: GT packs and points list
- 20th of June: Datasheets for Combat Patrol
- 23rd of June: Boarding Patrol and Crusade material

That's a neat list of stuff...

Tsagualsa wrote:

That's a neat list of stuff...

Small correction he said 20th June for the Combat Patrol stuff

Aash wrote:
So the Vindacare's weapon abilites seems to lead to some odd interactions for a sniper assassin.

Devastating Wounds converts Damage into Mortal Wounds, which means wounds can carry over, so a Critical Wound causes 3 +d3 mortal wounds (6 + d3 if its a critical hit too), which means the precision sniper shot has the potential to wipe out a whole squad of models.

Or try fishing for taking a chunk out of Monsters of Vehicles.

I realise it’s only a chance of rolling two sixes in a row, but those odds aren’t too wild.

So can you download the sheets on the day or is it more of like hype for the sheets for 24th?

 Matrindur wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

That's a neat list of stuff...

Small correction he said 20th June for the Combat Patrol stuff

Thanks.


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Biasn wrote:
So can you download the sheets on the day or is it more of like hype for the sheets for 24th?

He said that the dates are when the pdfs are released for download.

I really don't buy a 2 box limit for Leviathan, when currently even basic stuff (like saurus warriors) is limit 1 for pre-orders.

Voss wrote:
I really don't buy a 2 box limit for Leviathan, when currently even basic stuff (like saurus warriors) is limit 1 for pre-orders.

Who knows, they might fear that they've overproduced a bit - limiting it to two per customer might be a way around that: if their fears are unfounded, they can always walk it down to 1 per customer during the two-week period if they project they'll run out of stock, and otherwise a lot of people are going to dip in for two either out of FOMO or because they think they can flip one easily for above of what they paid for it...

I guess I can see GW drip feeding the datasheets out. Going to be a frustrating few days for Xenos players.

Sort of surprised they've not been leaked everywhere by now - but I guess if there aren't hard copies floating about there aren't photographs via potato camera to stick up online.

Voss wrote:
I was thinking of necrons, since their opening detachment ability is 'add character to make unit functional' (+1 to hit), which demands a lot of characters.

What are you talking about? Have you paid no attention to all the people posting the math that shows base Warrior’s shooting is Better in 10th than it is now?

Biasn wrote:
I cant imagine aswell and that would be fine , if the psychic weapons are cheaper (or free) compared to other unit upgrades. Points make the whole deal , Rubrics are just worse Intercessors at this point no? (slightly worse gun , same stats etc) So if an Intercessor Unit with a similar gun would cost equal (or even less) than the Rubric squat they are just plain worse. Am i missin something?

Not really, but I don't have the full Intercessor datasheet to properly compare, but the Rubrics generally have better upgrades. If we're talking just vanilla then the warpsmite is still a fair bit better on top of icon pushing bolters occasionally to AP2. The cabal point is just a little extra. Toss in reroll wounds and they'll pull ahead a fair bit.

Rubrics with RR1s
8 * .666 * .583 * .5 = 1.6

Rubrics with full RR
8 * .666 * .75 * .5 = 2

Intercessors
10 * .666 * .5 * .5 = 1.6

That's all before warpsmite. Rubrics are at the very least on par.






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Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 05/31/2023 'Long Time No C'

Valrak monges another rumour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddA1u3Ged5o

- Preorder stuff: preorder day 10th of June confirmed by sources he trusts
- Two week preorder phase
- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last
- No information about a later MtO
- There will be a queue on the website
- Limited to two copies per person
- Price point 200€/1500DK/1800SK/1650NOK
- The entire month of June will be hyping up free products that you can download
- 2nd of June: core rules and quickstart guide
- 5th of June: Leviathan datasheets
- 8th of June: Tyranid datasheets
- 9th of June: SM datasheets
- 12th of June: non-codex SM datasheets
- 13th of June: Chaos SM datasheets
- 14th of June: Imperium datasheets
- 15th of June: Xenos datasheets
- 16th of June: GT packs and points list
- 20th of June: Datasheets for Combat Patrol
- 23rd of June: Boarding Patrol and Crusade material

That's a neat list of stuff...

That's fantastic if they're getting us datasheets before the box is out. I'm excited for Monday now. Gross.

What's the price of the box in £?

 NAVARRO wrote:
What's the price of the box in £?

I assume the £150 from the competition value.

 AduroT wrote:

Voss wrote:
I was thinking of necrons, since their opening detachment ability is 'add character to make unit functional' (+1 to hit), which demands a lot of characters.

What are you talking about? Have you paid no attention to all the people posting the math that shows base Warrior’s shooting is Better in 10th than it is now?

Nope.

Haven't seen it and don't care. The concern for cross edition comparisons is honestly a little baffling, so much has changed that getting caught up in the math of every unit then and now is getting lost in the weeds.

All that matters is that in 10th, the detachment rule encourages you to pack your necron units with characters.

- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last

how nice of GW to let usual shenanigans go on...

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last

how nice of GW to let usual shenanigans go on...

They outright said from the beginning that Leviathan was a launch box.
Launch means splash release, not permanent range item.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last

how nice of GW to let usual shenanigans go on...

They outright said from the beginning that Leviathan was a launch box.
Launch means splash release, not permanent range item.

And?

They still could've stated they'd print as many as were ordered. Boom there, scalping resolved.

Because this is merely FOMO shenanigans

I like how they cropped the barrel off the Inquisitor's inferno pistol - which he now can't take because Screw You! that's why.

Voss wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

Voss wrote:
I was thinking of necrons, since their opening detachment ability is 'add character to make unit functional' (+1 to hit), which demands a lot of characters.

What are you talking about? Have you paid no attention to all the people posting the math that shows base Warrior’s shooting is Better in 10th than it is now?

Nope.

Haven't seen it and don't care. The concern for cross edition comparisons is honestly a little baffling, so much has changed that getting caught up in the math of every unit then and now is getting lost in the weeds.

All that matters is that in 10th, the detachment rule encourages you to pack your necron units with characters.

That doesn’t mean it’s not functional without one, or do you really think you need every single available buff every time?

Greyfax has the best LD so far = 4+.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Greyfax has the best LD so far = 4+.

The Swarmlord has equally good effective though (91.4% vs. 90.7%) , due to Synapse rule. As people on reddit said, Lord Inquisitors had 'Choose if you pass or fail Morale' in the past, so 4+ feels okay.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Biasn wrote:
I cant imagine aswell and that would be fine , if the psychic weapons are cheaper (or free) compared to other unit upgrades. Points make the whole deal , Rubrics are just worse Intercessors at this point no? (slightly worse gun , same stats etc) So if an Intercessor Unit with a similar gun would cost equal (or even less) than the Rubric squat they are just plain worse. Am i missin something?

Not really, but I don't have the full Intercessor datasheet to properly compare, but the Rubrics generally have better upgrades. If we're talking just vanilla then the warpsmite is still a fair bit better on top of icon pushing bolters occasionally to AP2. The cabal point is just a little extra. Toss in reroll wounds and they'll pull ahead a fair bit.

Rubrics with RR1s
8 * .666 * .583 * .5 = 1.6

Rubrics with full RR
8 * .666 * .75 * .5 = 2

Intercessors
10 * .666 * .5 * .5 = 1.6

That's all before warpsmite. Rubrics are at the very least on par.






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Tsagualsa wrote:
Added to the OP:

Edit 05/31/2023 'Long Time No C'

Valrak monges another rumour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddA1u3Ged5o

- Preorder stuff: preorder day 10th of June confirmed by sources he trusts
- Two week preorder phase
- Leviathan box set is only going to be available while stocks last
- No information about a later MtO
- There will be a queue on the website
- Limited to two copies per person
- Price point 200€/1500DK/1800SK/1650NOK
- The entire month of June will be hyping up free products that you can download
- 2nd of June: core rules and quickstart guide
- 5th of June: Leviathan datasheets
- 8th of June: Tyranid datasheets
- 9th of June: SM datasheets
- 12th of June: non-codex SM datasheets
- 13th of June: Chaos SM datasheets
- 14th of June: Imperium datasheets
- 15th of June: Xenos datasheets
- 16th of June: GT packs and points list
- 20th of June: Datasheets for Combat Patrol
- 23rd of June: Boarding Patrol and Crusade material

That's a neat list of stuff...

That's fantastic if they're getting us datasheets before the box is out. I'm excited for Monday now. Gross.

Isnt that assuming that Intercessors dont have any objective stuff? I would regard sticky objectives on par(maybe a little bit better) with the reroll wounds stuff , the cabal points is just the faction mechanic which i also dont really count since they got OOTM and the other stuff you mentioned probably cost points or did they say the icon and weapon upgrades are free?