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^ Mantic's board game print runs tend to be about 2,000- 3,000 copies, which they're now approaching (they need to fulfil retailer orders as well).

Once they sell out of the first print run (and both DKH and its sequel did sell out), restocking takes a month or so as the printers need time to get everything produced and packed. It's the card components that are the hold-up which can't be rushed, they have the miniatures side of things all sorted. If the card can't be printed by November, then it's not going to be delivered by December, so it's better that they have a cut-off rather than promising something that they can't deliver.

One of the things that is great about the company is that they *never* do this, shipping deadlines get met on time (or extremely close to it, I've only ever seen a maximum of a 1-week delay on anything, with a very good reason behind it), no matter what, there are no 3-month delays. no peddling BS to cover up failures, no passing the buck, no "blame the manufacturer" with Mantic.

This factor is of course, doubly important with Kickstarters, as pledges are made in good faith, well in advance. If the KoW KS stuff hadn't been delivered already, there is no way in hell this KS would even be at $100k right now. Reputation matters.

They don't make their print runs too large, to avoid having spare stock hanging around in the warehouse taking up loads of space.

Overall, a smarter approach than GW took with DreadFleet, printing way too many copies and then having to recall and destroy thousands of copies when it didn't sell.

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 scarletsquig wrote:
New stretch goal!



You can’t miss Helder on the pitch – she’s the one with a trail of broken bodies in her wake. Despite insisting that she’s ready for the role of Striker (and the glory the role brings with it), whether it’s her uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time or her well-renowned right hook (as commentator Jake "the Jackhammer" Thunder found out during what was called an impromptu interview by the media), Coaches have continually pushed her towards playing the guard position – a position she excels herself in.

As a young player growing up she had an unhealthy obsession with the beast known as Buzzcut and Helder often tries to emulate him in her game. Whilst she lacks the physical presence to match him in pure brute strength, she is surprisingly quick (which her celebrity management company says supports her claims that she could rank up alongside the leading strikers of this decade if given the chance), and her "run-up-and-slams" often catch opposing players unawares.

Outside of the sport, Helder has her own range of cookbooks and is known to bake a mean tri-cal Pie.


Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!


Whatever else they are doing, their backstories are getting better with each new MVP! Someone over at Mantic is really getting into the flow there. Great stuff.

   
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I think Helder would be better if she was toned down a bit. This is the heaviest guy in the NFL, Michael Jasper, with a BMI of 45.6. Using that as inspiration would give you a character who can pass as a professional athlete in a sport that does not revolve around standing up, but would still fit with her biography.

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Robot team goal is up, for $325k:



The original DreadBall games were considered, by some, to be a showcase for the prowess of biological organisms. In a world so dominated by machines, it was a throwback to a simpler age – an almost prehistoric urge to fight or flee, and all in the context of a brilliant sporting spectacle. But the robots were bound to come.

Too many big corporations had vested interests in showing off their cybernetic prowess for the lobby to go away, and the first robot team took to the field in the early days of Shemtek SmackDown III. This team, the “Oilers”, caused enormous damage to the opposition and was banned part way through its second game. Digby was buried under lawsuits from the teams, the relatives of the slain players and their many fans. How could they let such objects take to the field? It was a while before the second robot team rolled out onto a neodurium pitch.

The “New Oilers” were different. Their ballistic ceramic casings were covered in gel pads so they caused fewer injuries, and their servos downrated to avoid punching entirely through a human torso in one blow. The crowds were mollified, then excited by this new turn, especially when the Oilers showed off their new twist.

DreadBall’s rules state very clearly that a player must play as a single position, but they never considered that someone could change from one to another within a match. The robots can. They troop out onto the pitch as Jacks, but at the whirr of a servo they can change to a Striker or a Guard, avoiding any infringement of the letter of the rules by only every being a single role at a time, but the spirit of the rules is ridden over roughshod. And the crowd loves it!


   
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The top two look the best, there've got a nice uniquness to them and would stand out well among the other teams. Draft 2 has some nice details but TBH kinda looks like a Michel Bay Transformers left over. Draft 3 again the same issue some nice parts to it but the head (and the arms a bit) makes it look like a Nercon rejet, despite the vast differences in design, lets face it fanboys are fanboys and Mantic would'nt hear the last of it over them.

Either way Draft 1 are cool, they would look very good painted orange and silver with manlfacters/sponsers logo's across their chest and upper legs. Anyway just my 2 pennys worth.


P.s why does the Helder girls helmet look so much like a forgefather helmet?




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I might be cynical, but why offer up stretch goals from where the money total stands, when you were lax in getting up new stretch goals? They should have throne "the fat lady", aptly named since for the proverbial viking opera singer apparently, as a small stretch goal after $282,500. So we get a stand alone MVP for $22,500? Wow, thanks.

As for the robots, I like the sleek look of sketch A. Not the clunky look of the others. Chaos indeed.
   
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As the total goes up, the distance between stretch goals must necessarily increase too, as they need to send out more and more copies of the new model and all previous models as they get more backers...

   
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scipio.au wrote:This isn't going anywhere near Bones. But on the other point, I'l already down for $140. I was in within the first 30 minutes of it going up. (I think I was the 9th pledger). Having said that, there's now a bunch of extras I'll be adding, but I won't do it until the end of the KS. I'm not saying this to troll you, but I'll explain why - they keep adding new things as the KS progresses. Paints, board, new teams, coaches, etc etc etc. We know there's going to be quite a few more things added in the next 2 1/2 weeks as well, so I have no reason to go in and micromanage my pledge now to add those extras, since I know there'll be more of them and I'll just have to go in and adjust it again, and again, and again.

So I may as well wait and do it once - at the end. This is no doubt an additional reason that these things spike at the end. On top of the "wait and see" people and those making last-minute decisions.


I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


scarletsquig wrote:New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging. Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!

Hah, I already know what I'm going to paint her up as
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Heldr decoplan


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Melbourne .au

GrimmKey wrote:

I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


Basically, because I don't feel obliged to micromanage my pledge on a seemingly-daily basis according to the stretch goals, and frankly I can't be arsed mucking about with the pledge manager more than a couple of times for a campaign at the most, which is why I might give a bump on the second-last day to cover the stuff they added in since the start - though still knowing that more will come up after than and while I sleep.

I know you didn't suggest it, but nor do I feel any reason to just add $200 to my pledge to "cover" what I might buy. If we go down that road, I may as well pledge $5k now and pull $4,700 (or whatever) on the last day during the last-minute frenzy.

   
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 scipio.au wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:

I think you mean 1 1/2, and yes, I'm dreading/anticipating the announcement of the cheerleaders. But I still don't see WHY you're waiting. As it stands, you've not actually bought anything, you've just promised money to Mantic so they can make their game without worrying. The more support they feel they're getting, the more stuff they're going to put out(or suffer a possible backlash). Granted, I know that they won't breach that ridiculously awesome price-per-mini that Bones was offering, but a man can hope that he has a set of awesome minis that he can say "I paid less than a dollar per". But while going in and adjusting it isn't a problem to me, but I can see where you're coming from.


Basically, because I don't feel obliged to micromanage my pledge on a seemingly-daily basis according to the stretch goals, and frankly I can't be arsed mucking about with the pledge manager more than a couple of times for a campaign at the most, which is why I might give a bump on the second-last day to cover the stuff they added in since the start - though still knowing that more will come up after than and while I sleep.

I know you didn't suggest it, but nor do I feel any reason to just add $200 to my pledge to "cover" what I might buy. If we go down that road, I may as well pledge $5k now and pull $4,700 (or whatever) on the last day during the last-minute frenzy.

Yeah, that last option's one I DON'T want to see. I'd rather your method go through than someone who ends up having to pull their pledge or never meant their pledge to begin with, I just remember that people on the last day of Bones not being able to pledge because they broke the site with too many people doing it at once.

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Those robots are gorgeous!! Let's hit that goal, I want me a robot team, a Zz'or team, a girl team, hell, I want all the teams, who am I kidding? Feth me, I'm dropping more on this KS than I did on the KoW one, and I'll probably drop even more on the Warpath one when it hits. Of course, these newer KSs get more attention from me because my friends ended up loving KoW and want more Mantic.

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Pennsylvania

 scarletsquig wrote:
 timetowaste85 wrote:
Damn-it zipped up there in the past couple hours. I looked at it earlier and it was "only" 282k. Now it's 289k. And about 40 new strikers added on since yesterday. Holy...crap.


Basically, Mantic has massively rationed The Striker and Jack levels all of a sudden. There are around 150 Jacks and 400 Strikers left. Once they're gone, they're gone, that's it. So, what we're seeing is a surge from people who were on the fence about this, saw the rationed Striker level and went "crap, I gotta do this now or I'll miss it".

If you want in on this, DO IT NOW, because in about 3 days time, you won't be able to get in on it at the "sweet spot".

We just burned through 60 Striker pledges in the space of 6 hours, and I would hate to see anyone on dakka who has been on the fence about this to miss out.

Or you could take a gamble that new pledges identical to Striker which ship *after* December will be added later. But that is basically a giant gamble at this point in time, we don't know what Mantic is or isn't going to pull out of the hat at this point.

They really should have stated the limit on their manufacturing capabilities right from the start rather than springing it on people like this. Not only would have it been better in terms of communication, it would have encouraged more people to pledge earlier.


I find this very problematic: I've been vacillating on the game for weeks (the season 1 teams are very hit-or-miss for me), but I jumped in and got one of the Striker! pledges. Now, that's fine for them that it increases pledge levels at this point, allowing for more stretches, but I'm still vacillating, I've merely grabbed a spot in line since the word is "buy now!".

Of course, the benefit for Mantic is even if people like me decide, at the end, that we're not interested and drop pledge, the deal only gets better at the end of the term, so they will be unlikely to suffer for a few people dropping out.

   
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Richmond, VA

those Draft 1 robots are amazing. I can't wait to get those models.

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 scarletsquig wrote:
New stretch goal!

Right, all you people who were complaining about "no fat girls" earlier in this thread and ragging on the female team for being too skinny (there were a lot of you!), start pledging.




I think I dated her once...

I like her!

   
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Well, the limiting of the number of Strikers worked on me. I'm in for 165 (Striker + shipping). Probably gonna increase the amount in the end for some of the extras...
   
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Like the fat girl... torn on the robots.

I feel like in a universe where amazing robots can be built... why would humans ever need genetically augmented super cyber suits? I don't see much difference than a super cyber suit vs a robot. Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.

I was hoping for a bit of a retro look. Why does a robot need fingers? they are either doing their primary function or 'Off'. I would expect them to have scoop hands which quickly scoop up the ball, possibly via vacuum and then shoot it out of the other arm out of a cannon. I would expect Guard to have "clampy and squeezie" hands or even blunt bashing instruments.

If you are a robot race wishing to live and interact with a humanoid-based civilization, I get being a fully functional robot. If you are just a bot for playing a sport... I dunno why you wouldn't have chainsaw hands.

Also: will the robot team's transforming mechanic possibly include 'replacing' models on the board with different looking models or something?

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nkelsch wrote:
Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.


Robots can't get drunk and have a spread and newspaper article done on them by Vanity Fair girls. I think Tony Stark's liver and loins would like a word with you.

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I would imagine that we will get 3 robot poses jack guard and striker, and swap them in and out as the robots on the pitch change form

I've suggested to mantic that we move away from the hand for them, giving guards hitty things, strikers shooty things and jacks one of each

we wait and see what happens

 
   
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nkelsch wrote:
Like the fat girl... torn on the robots.

I feel like in a universe where amazing robots can be built... why would humans ever need genetically augmented super cyber suits? I don't see much difference than a super cyber suit vs a robot. Boils down to Ironman 2 where the almost exact same technology was used to make them basically the same.

I was hoping for a bit of a retro look. Why does a robot need fingers? they are either doing their primary function or 'Off'. I would expect them to have scoop hands which quickly scoop up the ball, possibly via vacuum and then shoot it out of the other arm out of a cannon. I would expect Guard to have "clampy and squeezie" hands or even blunt bashing instruments.

If you are a robot race wishing to live and interact with a humanoid-based civilization, I get being a fully functional robot. If you are just a bot for playing a sport... I dunno why you wouldn't have chainsaw hands.

Also: will the robot team's transforming mechanic possibly include 'replacing' models on the board with different looking models or something?

They have to conform to the rules(For now, DreadBall EXTREEEEEEEME might get you chainsaw hands) and humans are vain speciesists. So we get a humanoid robot by a rival to the 29ers that's more likely to get along with them than the Smackers, the Steelers, etc. Or that's my guess

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The stated reasoning for the transformation doesn't fly (you've already got Jacks so there's obviously no rule against having a Guard/Striker hybrid, and the difference between a Guard/Striker hybrid and a Guard that can turn into a Striker and back at will is rather arbitrary), so here's how I'd do it: whenever one of your robots is about to enter the field, you have your pit crew do a quick change-out of components, either adding extra armour for protection at the expense of manoeuvrability or the glove for handling the ball and running around. Every player is both a Guard and a Striker, but can only do the one thing until it goes off the field for a pit stop.

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Well, not able to get in on the kickstarter, but might give it a try someday. Even if I dont, I still might pick up some human and robot teams for conversion for other uses.

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 AlexHolker wrote:
The stated reasoning for the transformation doesn't fly (you've already got Jacks so there's obviously no rule against having a Guard/Striker hybrid, and the difference between a Guard/Striker hybrid and a Guard that can turn into a Striker and back at will is rather arbitrary), so here's how I'd do it: whenever one of your robots is about to enter the field, you have your pit crew do a quick change-out of components, either adding extra armour for protection at the expense of manoeuvrability or the glove for handling the ball and running around. Every player is both a Guard and a Striker, but can only do the one thing until it goes off the field for a pit stop.

But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.

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GrimmKey wrote:
But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.

In that case it's still important that the modes be distinct from one another, visually and in role. There should be no Jack mode (because it would only weaken the concept), just a heavily armoured Guard mode with all its joints and vitals protected that can do little but bull rush opponents, that can open up into a Striker mode where its joints are free from its usual constraints but are no longer protected.

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New pics of both the MDF and acrylic boards, both have been upgraded to include the score/turn trackers, reserve bench and sin bin:




Looks like 2 different thicknesses of MDF in use on the $25 board, so you're getting a good amount of 3d texture there.

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 AlexHolker wrote:
GrimmKey wrote:
But that doesn't allow for mid-round changes. Imagine you've got one robot who's free. The rest are preventing the other team from moving. BAM, he is able to go from one to another to the third in one turn, just by spending your chips.

In that case it's still important that the modes be distinct from one another, visually and in role. There should be no Jack mode (because it would only weaken the concept), just a heavily armoured Guard mode with all its joints and vitals protected that can do little but bull rush opponents, that can open up into a Striker mode where its joints are free from its usual constraints but are no longer protected.

To be fair, this is for DreadBall Season 2, where the rules are a little different, perhaps there's a purpose for the robot to be a Jack, and maybe they've got more tricks up their sleeves. Hopefully when we hit the 325 line, they'll have some more info for us.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
New pics of both the MDF and acrylic boards, both have been upgraded to include the score/turn trackers, reserve bench and sin bin:
Looks like 2 different thicknesses of MDF in use on the $25 board, so you're getting a good amount of 3d texture there.

...Wow. I'm...really liking that MDF board. Dammit, I need to save money.

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Nearly at $325k! Looks like some fake pledges again though, we seem to have jumped $4k in the last few minutes...

Aaand hit that goal!

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Mantic has listened to your demands, and acted upon them. She's a real beauty!


That is quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever seen on KS, and definitely the coolest thing that Mantic has ever produced some concept art for.

Pledge confirmed.

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Saw new Chaos Models.

Pledged at Striker!

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$340,000 – DBR-7 Prototype, Robot MVP


DBR-7 is a cybernetic MVP and one-of-a-kind prototype keeper. Unlike other robots in the league he cannot transform and has instead risen above the usual robotic spectacle and into the ranks of the celebrity with his point-saving heroics. Crowds erupt into cheers when this bot steps out onto the pitch and his veiled operators always make sure to address them with a signature gloved salute.

If we hit this goal we will be able to fund the hulking robot known as DBR-7 and will include him free at Jack and Striker!


   
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 Souleater wrote:
Saw new Chaos Models.

Pledged at Striker!


Don't blame ya!

Robot MPV is great, the other head options on the site look much better, especially the D one.

   
 
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