The Citadel Finecast metal to resin change thread.

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**insaniak**

Kanluwen wrote:Didn't someone 'in the know' say that the whole reason they picked this particular process was because it was doable with the metal molds?

That was one of the initial rumours, yes. It's clearly false, since the metals don't use sprues.

**Przemas**

... but we still don't know whether those pics show a real thing

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IMO there's exactly the same chance they show some gakky recaster stuff

**Goliath**

Draigo is a model that I've wanted to get for quite a while, and I think, judging from that photo, that I'll wait until after the changeover to buy him, because the (apparent) detail on that photo is insane.

**insaniak**

Przemas wrote:... but we still don't know whether those pics show a real thing .
IMO there's exactly the same chance they show some gakky recaster stuff

The reviews posted by people who have had them in had confirmed it pretty solidly.

**Scottywan82**

kronk wrote:
CURNOW wrote:and as the price of resin has increased draigo will only be supplyed with one arm :]

To be fair, Draigo only needs one arm to kick ass.

Like the drummer from Def Leppard?

**Przemas**

insaniak wrote:
The reviews posted by people who have had them in had confirmed it pretty solidly.

I'm sceptical mostly because that sort of sprueing that's seen on the "leaked" pics does not make a lot of sense to me, no matter what sort of casting they have used (centrifugal, RIM, vacuum etc.) .
Will need to wait 2 days before I'll be able to decide what I think about those

**Worglock**

cygnnus wrote:
Aren't the 'Eavy Metal paint jobs usually done with the resin masters anyway? When GW went to the greenstuff master to resin to production mold process, theyve had resin "masters" laying about I suspect the current studio paint jobs for the box pix, et al are already of resin castings vice metal. That'd make sense from a timeliness as well as quality standpoint.

Not to my knowledge. Only info I ever heard about the "display model" was that it was generally the first one out of the mold.

**nectarprime**

Przemas wrote:
insaniak wrote:
The reviews posted by people who have had them in had confirmed it pretty solidly.

I'm sceptical mostly because that sort of sprueing that's seen on the "leaked" pics does not make a lot of sense to me, no matter what sort of casting they have used (centrifugal, RIM, vacuum etc.) .
Will need to wait 2 days before I'll be able to decide what I think about those

Isn't it possible that they are injection molded, like the normal GW plastic kits are? That would account for the similar sprues.

**insaniak**

Worglock wrote:Not to my knowledge. Only info I ever heard about the "display model" was that it was generally the first one out of the mold.

As a part of the mouldmaking process, they used to produce a run of resin masters to check detail and castability. These were shown at Games Days from time to time, and on more than one occasion lead to rumours of 'x' model being produced in plastic, as the grey resin looked pretty much identical to plastic in photos.

**Przemas**

nectarprime wrote:
Isn't it possible that they are injection molded, like the normal GW plastic kits are? That would account for the similar sprues.

I'd say no. Injection moulded minis are usually cast in steel moulds so you can't have undercuts.
But my guess is that it may be RIM casted - sort of thing that for example Czech modelmakers have been doing for years. It's basically low pressure injection moulding that works with flexible moulds.
Still got to admit that sort of sprueing does not make a lot of sense to me.
The more I read the topic the more surprised I am. If those pics are true they look rather awful. I know the models would look cool after cleaning but when I try to see those through eyes of someone new to the hobby I'm getting frightened

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**S'jet**

Havent read the whole thread so someone may have mentioned Mcvey Studio, and if these Finecast models match that quality, we should be excited, and it'll be worth the price increase to me at least, especially for my HQs

**Kilkrazy**

I've mentioned Studio McVey a number of times.

Studio McVey use a different kind of resin though. The new GW stuff apparently is very flexible.

**Mr Proudhoof**

I haven't yet commented on the whole resin change, but after seeing the images in this thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/371719.page#2856746 I'm not so confident

**StarFyre**

So I'll take a chance and try to get the carnosaur on saturday, so, since I have the metal one here (for sale on ebay), sat I will take comparison photos of the 2 to see how this resin does with larger metal models.

If I forget, please someone message me if by saturday night (eastern time) i havent posted the pics/comparison.

regards,

Sanjay

**CadianCommander**

Someone on GW's FB just posted a link to Mantic where it states:

"Continuing on from yesterday’s new Soul Reaver knights, we’re proud to introduce our new Plastic Resin Undead Wraiths. Plastic Resin is a superior material to metal in that it holds detail like Resin, but with all the benefits of plastic. That’s not the best bit however, oh no. We’ve managed to double the number of figures into the box at the same price as the previous metal set. As we all know, the price of metal is getting expensive and so by switching the popular Wraiths to this more affordable material, we’ve passed on the cost savings to you guys! How’s that for value for money?

Way to go, GW.

Another guy said:

have to say, did my first fine cast mini today, officially hate it. Already broke the top of my librarians stave.

If it does shatter and break the way the rumours suggest, It's terrible for me because I constantly drop my minis whilst working on them, let alone gaming (dunno what's happened to the motor control in my hands the last few years).

I'm almost wondering if it's another ploy to keep the money coming in - people won't only have to pay for new models, but to pay for replacements of the ones that have shattered.

At least metal (as much as I hate it) and plastic (as much as I love it) doesn't shatter.

**Stella Cadente**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
nectarprime wrote:The flash doesn't look any worse than alot of other GW plastic models. Can't wait to pick up a new resin model.

I've never seen a GW model with that much flash on it.

obviously not built many plastic cadians, each individual model has enough flash usually to build a whole new box of cadians

**AvatarForm**

Kanluwen wrote:
mch21689 wrote:I just can't believe they released a metal crowe then turned around and redid him in resin not 2 months later......

Using the metal molds.

Many models that they are re-doing do not deserve the treatment and are due for a re-sculpt. Ie. Kharn the betrayer.

Scottywan82 wrote:
kronk wrote:
CURNOW wrote:and as the price of resin has increased draigo will only be supplyed with one arm :]

To be fair, Draigo only needs one arm to kick ass.

Like the drummer from Def Leppard?

The drummer from Deff Lappard had only one arm? Wow! (showing my age to know who they are)

S'jet wrote:Havent read the whole thread so someone may have mentioned Mcvey Studio, and if these Finecast models match that quality, we should be excited, and it'll be worth the price increase to me at least, especially for my HQs

McVey are far superior sculpts. Sorry, but they did not re-sculpt the master, these moulds were made using the metal master which is not superior in detail to its metal counterparts. Had GW re-sculpted these in higher detail, a la McVey, I would feel the price rise justified. However, they did not.

**Kroothawk**

Przemas wrote:
insaniak wrote:
The reviews posted by people who have had them in had confirmed it pretty solidly.

I'm sceptical mostly because that sort of sprueing that's seen on the "leaked" pics does not make a lot of sense to me, no matter what sort of casting they have used (centrifugal, RIM, vacuum etc.) .
Will need to wait 2 days before I'll be able to decide what I think about those

I can confirm that the sprue pics are real.

**Scottywan82**

AvatarForm wrote:

The drummer from Deff Lappard had only one arm? Wow! (showing my age to know who they are)

Thank you the Blood Hound Gang.

**StarFyre**

I wish the sanguinor got this treatment...

even before the blood angels books, there was this special angelic being in D&D (celestial paragon) Zaphniel...looks pretty much like the sanguinor but bald head.

I could sand down the metal one but it be easier to convert the head on this pesin version (pesin= plastic resin)

Sanjay

**cygnnus**

StarFyre wrote:I wish the sanguinor got this treatment...

even before the blood angels books, there was this special angelic being in D&D (celestial paragon) Zaphniel...looks pretty much like the sanguinor but bald head.

I could sand down the metal one but it be easier to convert the head on this pesin version (pesin= plastic resin)

Sanjay

I tend to like "plesin" better myself...

Vale,

JohnS

**StarFyre**

Sure..."plesin" it is

Sanjay

**BrassScorpion**

Was at a local GW store today. When I asked for an idea how many of the new Finecast models they'd have for sale on Saturday I was informed that even the store staff aren't allowed to know till Friday night after closing! Store operators have been instructed not to open their Finecast shipments till close of business Friday to avoid their discussing it or showing it in any way before Saturday morning. And you can guess the likely penalty for violating that edict.

They've also been told to clear all the existing metal stock off the shelves including hybrid kits. If you didn't buy the metal you may have wanted already, it's gone.

**Eldar Craft**

I guess my feelings are mixed. I'm excited to see what kind of conversion(jet bike seer council) possibilities come out of this. I also appreciate the benefits this may have to really high end painters. That being said I have not had a lot of conversion experience with resin and I hear it's kind of a pain. I also worry that some models like the new grotesques are less cool than some of the models that have had more attention electronically. I guess we'll see where it goes hopefully it really adds to the game and is not just about the profit GW could make. I appreciate they've got to make a profit I just hope they don't screw us too bad on price hikes (I assume production costs will go down for them after the initial releases) and that the new kits come out well.

**PrimarchX**

My FLGS has a ton of the new FineCast on display. My many-months-on-order SM Libby in Terminator Armor looks very nice in resin (I can pick it up Saturday). I'll be getting a resin Astorath as well (I HATE that model in metal).

**schadenfreude**

Any news on release dates of specific models in finecast?

Is there any kind of schedule released by GW yet, or a list of models already available?

**Le Grognard**

schadenfreude wrote:Any news on release dates of specific models in finecast?

Is there any kind of schedule released by GW yet, or a list of models already available?

Supposed to be up on the website @ 1200am GMT. Blogpost: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16800012a

**HAZZER**

todays post on GW
Or here's the words;

GW wrote:As I write this post, the hours are counting down to the Citadel Finecast release. In about eight hours' time, around midnight in the UK, all the Citadel Finecast miniatures will be added to the website. At a similar time1, on the other side of the world, the first Games Workshop stores will open in New Zealand, their shelves packed with new Citadel Finecast miniatures. As the sun creeps across the world, each store will open in turn, from Australia to Japan, to Italy to England, all the way across the Atlantic to the USA (and, or course, all the countries in between) Like many of you out there around the world, I'll be at my local Hobby Centre as early as humanly possible, as I want to pick up a couple of new models too.

Every Hobby Centre will carry the Citadel Finecast range, so make sure you're there, in store, to see the models first hand. There will be plenty available, but there isn't an endless supply on launch day, so make sure you get there early to get your hands on them. If you really, really, really can't get to your local store (and it had better me a good excuse like 'it's 3000 miles away' not 'the Ogre-in-law is visiting'), then we will have every Citadel Finecast miniature available to order from the website. We'll despatch your order first thing on Monday morning.

As this is such a big event for the hobby we've had lots of you calling customer services, emailing us at What's New Today and asking us questions on Facebook. Nearly all of the questions have been about how you work with Citadel Finecast miniatures. We thought, since many of you will be getting your hands on them this weekend, we would create a handy guide to working with Citadel Finecast.

Sprues and frames: Most Citadel Finecast miniatures come on a sprue or frame, but not every model needs them, so you may find ones without - this is completely normal so don't panic if you think you're missing a sprue.

Flash: You will all be familiar with flash on metal models. Citadel Finecast resin flows even more smoothly than metal does in the moulds. This means that a miniature might have very little flash, but some have a lot, which might look unusual. Don't worry, this flash is easy to remove (quite often you can remove most of it with your fingers).

Mould lines: As with flash, there may be mould lines on a model. Mould lines come away very easily if you give them a light backwards scrape towards you with a modelling knife. Try to avoid using Modelling Files though, as they will chew through the resin far too easily (the phrase 'they go through bone like butter', springs to mind).

Safety: Citadel Finecast is made from our own 'secret recipe'; it's absolutely safe and does not require you to wear a face mask. The 12+ on our packaging is about the skill and craft required to do our hobby, not about the material. We make sure that all our products are tested by external professionals and Citadel Finecast is no exception.

Bubbles: Sometimes you will see small bubbles on the surface of Citadel Finecast models. These are easy filled with a dab of Super Glue or, if small enough, will disappear when you undercoat the model.

Gluing: Always use Super Glue on Citadel Finecast miniatures and not Plastic Glue. The bond that can be achieved with just a small dab of Super Glue is so strong that large components such as wings can be glued quickly and without the need for pinning.

Durability: Citadel Finecast is light and strong. As an example, the Citadel Finecast Azhag the Slaughterer was dropped from a height of 3 feet (alright, I accidentally knocked it off my desk) and it landed on the floor totally unharmed. If that had been the metal version of the miniature, I'd have spent the rest of the day pinning, gluing and repainting it! If you don't believe me, click on the picture and you can see how just how flexible the resin is as I bend Skulltaker's sword.

Painting: Simply clean up your model, undercoat it and start painting. There's no need to wash it at all.

Conversions: Citadel Finecast resin is an amazing material for converting models. It's easy to cut, reposition and glue and it works fantastically well with Green Stuff. As I mentioned above, try to avoid using files or sanding it, as you might accidentally remove some of the detail if you get too carried away.

There's plenty more information about Citadel Finecast miniatures in June's issue of White Dwarf and our Hobby Centre staff have been learning all about it over the last couple of days, so they're more than willing to help you with you first miniatures when you pop into the store this weekend.

To whet your appetite for tomorrow morning (consider this the Citadel Finecast hors d'oeuvre), we've got a few painted models to show off. Remember our first Citadel Finecast miniatures from Tuesday's post? Well Chris, Nick, Andrew and myself managed to get ours finished in just two days. Here's how we got on:

Chris: Something I found instantly useful was the picture of the miniature on the packaging as it gave me a reference to work from. To break up the large amount of black on the model I used two mixes: Chaos Black and Kommando Khaki for the cloth and Chaos Black and Codex Grey for the leather and gun. Working with a Citadel Finecast miniature for the first time was a great experience - it's really easy to cut off the sprue and clean up. The only slight issue I had was a tiny air bubble in his hat, which was easily filled with Super Glue and then cleaned with the back of a Hobby Knife.

Nick: Gûlavhar was just such a joy to build and paint. It took me less than ten minutes to completely clean the model and build it, which gave me loads more time to spend painting him (well, two days...). The level of detail on the miniature is just astounding and I was completely awe-struck by how well the detail came out on his wings. All I had to do was lightly drybrush them, the fine lines on the model did the rest of the work for me.

Andrew: I didn't waste any time getting started with Queek, assembling him as soon as I got home. The model went together really easily, the arms sticking quickly in place with a tiny dab of super glue and after scraping off a couple of mould lines he was ready to be painted. I've had a colour scheme in mind for Queek ever since I started the army - rather than the bright red armour that he's traditionally shown in, I wanted him to be clad in green to match the rest of Clan Septik and I was inspired by how Keith Robertson painted the barding for his Chaos Lord in December 2008's 'Eavy Metal Masterclass. This Masterclass, in fact

Dan: I can honestly say that this model was one of the nicest figures I have ever painted - it was just so easy to work with. The resin is very easy to clean up and a real joy to paint. Sometimes I can cut corners when I'm painting to try and get a unit done quicker, but I knew I had to spend every spare second I had between Tuesday and today painting it. An interesting thing I did find was when painting the cape. I needed to paint the cape hood, which was behind the head of the hammer. Solution: simply bend the hammer slightly out of place to paint behind it. This material is just pure awesome to work with!

However, as we've said several times now, we can take some great pictures of miniatures, but they really don't do the models justice, you have to hold it in your hands to believe it. Right, I'm completely worn out after writing all that, so I'm heading off home to get some rest for the big day tomorrow. For all of you out there, wherever you are, head down to your local store to see the new range in person for the very first time. We'll be back on Tuesday because it's a Bank Holiday here in the UK on Monday (yes, another one) and we'll all be building and painting our new Citadel Finecast miniatures.

1. I spent ages trying to figure out the International Time Zones and got very confused by the whole thing, it was like watching Back to the Future Part II all over again, but without hover boards.

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Posted by Dan on Friday, 27 May

**Grot 6**

I just feel like clubbing a thousand baby seals to death after reading that post.

DOOOM!

**Deefect**

One more day, YAY! ;D