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Grotesques are the big one needed for Dark Eldar.
Amazing rules and used by pretty much every list.
And yet there is only one old finecast model.

Kinda baffling GW. Everybody wants these.
Give the people what they want.

 Galef wrote:
There's so many threads now with all the new stuff that I can't remember which thread or who posted it, but I REALLY like the idea that the first part of the campaign is Eldar vs Dark Eldar fighting over the future of their species, then the next campaign has Fulgrim returning to take advantage of the mayhem and the Aeldari having to unite against him and his EC's

It could kill several birds with 1 campaign. It's and excuse to release several MUCH NEEDED plastic revamps for both CWE and DE, then you bleed it into an EC release with Fulgrim, plastic Noise Marines & maybe Lucius and Fabius Bile kits.
It would be a very efficient way to all but get rid of every remaining fine cast model left.

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The implied nature of these things is that they're a single book, not two.

But we have quite a few campaigns. I believe the datamining showed something like 6 at least?

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Huh. I can't actually imagine prioritizing characters over units. A single model is a lot easier to kit bash or just deal with a different material (and it helps that the metal/finecast characters are several price rises behind, so are less than $20 rather than $30-35 for a single model that many new characters launch at).

They are also not plastics so don't have plastic hero tax. We have GW's fixation to plastic to thank for expensive character models.

No we don't. They just set their prices for character models high, largely because customers still keep buying after every price hike.
It has nothing to do with the material.

Probably more that people tend to only need a single character model, whereas they will likely buy multiple boxes of troops, transports etc.


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Dudeface wrote:

Brian888 wrote:
I keep wondering what the Thousand Sons are going to get out of all this. Hopefully it's something to help prevent Magnus from getting tabled on the first turn.

There's still a Chaos Sorcerer backpack vent from the rumour engine to be revealed, but given the generic sorcerer is finecrap, I don't think it'll be for thousand sons specifically. Maybe they'll get an actual marine based unit with some luck, or something to boost the rubrics?

I'd put that down as just the made-to-order re-release of the old model...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/18/psychic-awakening-new-art-sighted/

Official WarCom article went up after the art leak. The wording used seems to indicate that both Jain Zar and Drazhar are indeed getting an updated model.

But it didn't match any of those. While the differences were slight, they were still different.

 Redemption wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/18/psychic-awakening-new-art-sighted/

Official WarCom article went up after the art leak. The wording used seems to indicate that both Jain Zar and Drazhar are indeed getting an updated model.

Huh. More interesting is the 'wont be long' bit. I thought this was going to be a slow burn preview.

She's coming - preview next Monday.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/18/psychic-awakening-new-art-sighted/

We get a preview of the "first duelist" on Monday.

I'm inclined to think that it's going to be Jain Zar as they seem to be doing Craftworld then Drukhari for a pattern, but it might be Drazhar instead.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We get a preview of the "first duelist" on Monday.

I'm inclined to think that it's going to be Jain Zar as they seem to be doing Craftworld then Drukhari for a pattern, but it might be Drazhar instead.

The wording on the banner leads me to believe it will be Jain Zar...

Crispy78 wrote:
I'd put that down as just the made-to-order re-release of the old model...

It's not, there is far more detail on the rumour engine one to the existing metal backpacks. It will be a new sorcerer.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I'd put that down as just the made-to-order re-release of the old model...

It's not, there is far more detail on the rumour engine one to the existing metal backpacks. It will be a new sorcerer.

From the WC article:

Now you’ve seen the amazing illustration, wouldn’t you love to recreate that scene on the battlefield with plastic miniatures? Well, it won’t be long before you can!

 bubber wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I'd put that down as just the made-to-order re-release of the old model...

It's not, there is far more detail on the rumour engine one to the existing metal backpacks. It will be a new sorcerer.

From the WC article:

Now you’ve seen the amazing illustration, wouldn’t you love to recreate that scene on the battlefield with plastic miniatures? Well, it won’t be long before you can!

They’re talking about the rumour engine sorcerer backpack.

So yea, Jain Zar next Monday and Drahzar the following Monday I guess.

Then we get a week or 2 of trickle-fed rules information then the books go up for pre-order.

Kinda funny GW had to post the preview for their 2 new Primaris Lieutenants I mean character models for Salamanders and IF. They just can't have Xenos in the spotlight I guess.

I've found some more rumours from a French source if anyone is interested, they claim the following (and have been 100% correct on their claims so far);

- New Drahzar/Incubi and Jain Zar/Banshees only new models for Eldar this phase.
- May well be that a Battlebox is planned for the first Psychic Awakening book. It will be 100% Aeldaris and 100% plastic.
- BT will feature next/very soon in Psychic Awakening and are vexed (perhaps Helbrecht or other major character dead?)
- Orks feature in a boxed set fighting SW, updated Ragnar model, possibly updated Ghazzy but definitely new Ork model (he didn't seem sure of this, more of a guess).

Its going to be super dissapointing if its only Incubi and Banshees that get new models.

Considering Space Marines have been literally drowning in new gak.

But I believe it....

I wouldn’t. It may not be a single release window, but could be multiple, spread out.

The models are only aligned with this, the first book, apparently.

There may be other model releases later down the line, but not now.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The models are only aligned with this, the first book, apparently.

There may be other model releases later down the line, but not now.

If this is the designated "All Eldar" book, then I doubt we'd see more eldar stuff after.

Rats. I was really hoping we'd be seeing the first new Harlequin models since their initial release in 7th.

You know, since we've never had a named character, except for that one time we got a named character but he didn't have a model outside the regular Death Jester model...and he just added one rule to the death jester rules....and he didn't make the transition from 7th to 8th...and he got shot in the face by a deathwatch in the very same booklet he was introduced.

Harlequins didn't even get Grukk Facerippad. At least Grukk Facerippa had a model, we got sub-Grukk'd.

 dan2026 wrote:
Its going to be super dissapointing if its only Incubi and Banshees that get new models.

We literally got confirmation today of Drazhar and Jain Zar. It's not "only" Incubi and Banshees.

Considering Space Marines have been literally drowning in new gak.

Gee, it's almost like they had a codex release...

Which, I might add, is still getting dragged out even further. It looks like we're not seeing the Infiltrator/Incursor set until October with IF and Salamanders.

But I believe it....

Ever think that maybe Psychic Awakening is GW priming the pump for codex revamps next year with kit updates?

I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.

However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.

Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.

Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)

There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.

the_scotsman wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The models are only aligned with this, the first book, apparently.

There may be other model releases later down the line, but not now.

If this is the designated "All Eldar" book, then I doubt we'd see more eldar stuff after.

Agreed, I just didn't want to be responsible for the release of the new Chaos god of broken hearts.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The models are only aligned with this, the first book, apparently.

There may be other model releases later down the line, but not now.

If this is the designated "All Eldar" book, then I doubt we'd see more eldar stuff after.

Agreed, I just didn't want to be responsible for the release of the new Chaos god of broken hearts.

Xehanort?

the_scotsman wrote:
Rats. I was really hoping we'd be seeing the first new Harlequin models since their initial release in 7th..

I should've been clear - they are the only releases for Craftworld and Dark Eldar. Harlies and Ynnari may have others.

Rumour source didn't say either way.


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the_scotsman wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The models are only aligned with this, the first book, apparently.

There may be other model releases later down the line, but not now.

If this is the designated "All Eldar" book, then I doubt we'd see more eldar stuff after.

Agreed, I just didn't want to be responsible for the release of the new Chaos god of broken hearts.

Xehanort?

Oh gak too late.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
So yea, Jain Zar next Monday and Drahzar the following Monday I guess.

Then we get a week or 2 of trickle-fed rules information then the books go up for pre-order.

Kinda funny GW had to post the preview for their 2 new Primaris Lieutenants I mean character models for Salamanders and IF. They just can't have Xenos in the spotlight I guess.

I've found some more rumours from a French source if anyone is interested, they claim the following (and have been 100% correct on their claims so far);

- New Drahzar/Incubi and Jain Zar/Banshees only new models for Eldar this phase.
- May well be that a Battlebox is planned for the first Psychic Awakening book. It will be 100% Aeldaris and 100% plastic.
- BT will feature next/very soon in Psychic Awakening and are vexed (perhaps Helbrecht or other major character dead?)
- Orks feature in a boxed set fighting SW, updated Ragnar model, possibly updated Ghazzy but definitely new Ork model (he didn't seem sure of this, more of a guess).

They posted the Salamander and IF because there was a leak.

 dan2026 wrote:
I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.

That's fine. If that's how we're doing it...

However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.

And out of those "5 or 6 new character models or character redos", there's been very few that aren't named or tied to a subfaction.

Again, we're seeing a "crap ton of new stuff" for Marines because they just had a codex drop. We're seeing all these characters because they've split all the individual subfactions into their own sub-books and are taking the opportunity to drag out the release of the Marine stuff(which was five new items outside of the named characters! FIVE! Eliminators, Reiver Lieutenant, Infiltrators/Incursors dual box, Impulsor, and the Invictor Warsuit. There was also the individual release of the Phobos Captain and Librarian) into three months worth of releases with other stuff interspersed.

Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.

Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)

There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.

Literally nobody is saying they don't want Eldar to get other stuff updated. We don't know anything about what is coming or how it's coming out.

From my perspective? This looks like it might be a Shadowspear styled setup of all new items right off the bat. I'm very much wondering if there's going to be a Patrol Detachment for each side, or if the Craftworlder side of things might be a Vanguard.

Like I said I want to hope for the best.

If this rumoured box is just Incubi vs Banshees. I will put my money where my mouth is and buy it.

And hope it sends the message that we want more.

hmm. You know if this does turn out to be a box, I hope it doesn't play out like Wrath and Ruin (or Tooth and Claw) with the box being the only source of the new kits for months, and packaged with a lot of old stuff.

I was hoping it would be Arhra the Fallen Phoneix, would be nice to see that bit of background fleshed out. A new Drazhar model is still pretty cool.

 stonehorse wrote:
I was hoping it would be Arhra the Fallen Phoneix, would be nice to see that bit of background fleshed out. A new Drazhar model is still pretty cool.

Aren't they one and the same? Arhra and Drazhar?

I doubt they'll fill the background out much though, the whole point of it is to keep the mystery.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I was hoping it would be Arhra the Fallen Phoneix, would be nice to see that bit of background fleshed out. A new Drazhar model is still pretty cool.

Aren't they one and the same? Arhra and Drazhar?

I doubt they'll fill the background out much though, the whole point of it is to keep the mystery.

What mystery? It’s practically a open secret by now. I mean they could then pull a “twist” and make the two not the same after all to jerk players around but IMO this whole “Is he or isn’t he?” is effectively played out and no longer interesting.

Warhammer Community wrote:The iconic triskele in the Howling Banshee’s right hand can mean only one thing – it’s Jain Zar! But who is her opponent, and – more crucially – how are they able to go blade-to-blade with the legendary Phoenix Lord without being cut to ribbons?

We know who her opponent is. The artwork was called "Jain Zar vs Drazhar".