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Warhammer Community wrote:The iconic triskele in the Howling Banshee’s right hand can mean only one thing – it’s Jain Zar! But who is her opponent, and – more crucially – how are they able to go blade-to-blade with the legendary Phoenix Lord without being cut to ribbons?
We know who her opponent is. The artwork was called "Jain Zar vs Drazhar".
It's also pulled off the Warhammer Art website and the file here isn't called that.
Crimson wrote: Originally Arhra specifically fell to Chaos, which Drazhar presumably didn't do, so there's certain disconnect.
It's been always a shadowy part of the Lore, Incubi believe Drazhar is Arhra and is often sold as that but it's not sure since Drazhar never spoke a single word. GW can anytime pull the string and surprise anyone like
no it's Drastanta!
it's was just an elaborate penance she choose for failing in protect Asurmen life in the past.
Unless who Drazhar really is is resolved in Psychic awakening.
dan2026 wrote: I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.
That's fine. If that's how we're doing it...
However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.
And out of those "5 or 6 new character models or character redos", there's been very few that aren't named or tied to a subfaction.
Again, we're seeing a "crap ton of new stuff" for Marines because they just had a codex drop. We're seeing all these characters because they've split all the individual subfactions into their own sub-books and are taking the opportunity to drag out the release of the Marine stuff(which was five new items outside of the named characters! FIVE! Eliminators, Reiver Lieutenant, Infiltrators/Incursors dual box, Impulsor, and the Invictor Warsuit. There was also the individual release of the Phobos Captain and Librarian) into three months worth of releases with other stuff interspersed.
Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.
Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)
There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.
Literally nobody is saying they don't want Eldar to get other stuff updated. We don't know anything about what is coming or how it's coming out.
From my perspective? This looks like it might be a Shadowspear styled setup of all new items right off the bat. I'm very much wondering if there's going to be a Patrol Detachment for each side, or if the Craftworlder side of things might be a Vanguard.
I'm really loving this new dudley dursley act you're putting on every time someone complains that the endless marine releases are overshadowing the new chaos release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) the new sisters release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) and the new eldar/drukhari release (2 new characters, 2 new kits).
The fact that gw evidently believes that marine players have such short attention spans that if we aren't getting at least 1-2 marine clampacks, a new kit and two new supplements every two weeks or they'll have a fit is hilarious.
Oh no chaos marines got a new codex and some new units, quick better release 5 marine kits 10 marine characters and what are we at now, 7 marine codexes? That oughta compensate for the indignity of someone, anyone getting anything.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
dan2026 wrote: I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.
That's fine. If that's how we're doing it...
However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.
And out of those "5 or 6 new character models or character redos", there's been very few that aren't named or tied to a subfaction.
Again, we're seeing a "crap ton of new stuff" for Marines because they just had a codex drop. We're seeing all these characters because they've split all the individual subfactions into their own sub-books and are taking the opportunity to drag out the release of the Marine stuff(which was five new items outside of the named characters! FIVE! Eliminators, Reiver Lieutenant, Infiltrators/Incursors dual box, Impulsor, and the Invictor Warsuit. There was also the individual release of the Phobos Captain and Librarian) into three months worth of releases with other stuff interspersed.
Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.
Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)
There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.
Literally nobody is saying they don't want Eldar to get other stuff updated. We don't know anything about what is coming or how it's coming out.
From my perspective? This looks like it might be a Shadowspear styled setup of all new items right off the bat. I'm very much wondering if there's going to be a Patrol Detachment for each side, or if the Craftworlder side of things might be a Vanguard.
I'm really loving this new dudley dursley act you're putting on every time someone complains that the endless marine releases are overshadowing the new chaos release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) the new sisters release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) and the new eldar/drukhari release (2 new characters, 2 new kits).
The fact that gw evidently believes that marine players have such short attention spans that if we aren't getting at least 1-2 marine clampacks, a new kit and two new supplements every two weeks or they'll have a fit is hilarious.
Oh no chaos marines got a new codex and some new units, quick better release 5 marine kits 10 marine characters and what are we at now, 7 marine codexes? That oughta compensate for the indignity of someone, anyone getting anything.
you relaize that Marines got a buncha new stuff at the same time chaos did, it was clear that this was a major release for both. it ain't marine players who are entitled here. Marine players just shrug and take their new stuff, (and most would like the marine releases finished up so GW can move on)
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I just hope they dont wait so long to release the Incursor model after releasing rules for it that by the time it comes out GW decides to nerf it like the Void Raven.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I just hope they dont wait so long to release the Incursor model after releasing rules for it that by the time it comes out GW decides to nerf it like the Void Raven.
I doubt it, incursors are a unit I see no one getting excited about, it'll be a handy unit for marine players in some local metas but I don't see it being a particularly major splash, if anything I expect they'll see a points drop with CA
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Judging from last year, it's safe to say that Codex:Space Marines won't have any changes in CA2019
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Nibbler wrote: I'm glad that there is a reasonable chance for updated aspect warrior sprues, even if I hoped to get some new warlock models...
I'm curious what the other factions will receive during the campaign. Especially the harlequins and the space marines... no rumours yet, afaik
ultramarines referanced a unit type called hellfuries, which MAY have been a tease. personally as a SM player I'd be fine with vanilla marines not getting much. the odd plastic special char here, the odd one there. a multipart supressor kit. ohh GW to realize their flier bases are absolute crap and put out a new inceptor kit with a base that's actually good.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Anyone got any idea what that is? Not the plane, the thing behind it. It's not a raider or a ravager and the silhouette doesn't match a tantalus. It could be a reaper, but it looks a different shape.
Crimson wrote: Originally Arhra specifically fell to Chaos, which Drazhar presumably didn't do, so there's certain disconnect.
But then originally Dark Eldar were Slaanesh-worshippers.
When? Certainly not since they've had models and rules, was this a bit of 2nd Ed lore I missed (totally could be and I'd be glad to have that pointed out!)? Since they were released as an army DE have been resolutely anti chaos and Slaanesh in particular.
As to the disconnect with Ahra/Drazhar there are multiple versions of the story of him falling to chaos. At least one has him look like he fell, but then he didn't, which cleans up that inconsistency.
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stonehorse wrote: I was hoping it would be Arhra the Fallen Phoneix, would be nice to see that bit of background fleshed out. A new Drazhar model is still pretty cool.
Aren't they one and the same? Arhra and Drazhar?
I doubt they'll fill the background out much though, the whole point of it is to keep the mystery.
What mystery? It’s practically a open secret by now. I mean they could then pull a “twist” and make the two not the same after all to jerk players around but IMO this whole “Is he or isn’t he?” is effectively played out and no longer interesting.
I feel like in the mind of GW revealing that Drahzar is Arhra would actually be an awesome twist that would be great for everyone. I can see them 'revealing' that and expecting people to be shocked.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
There’s discussion about that craft a few pages back.
From end resembles the FW Reaper, with the ship seemingly built around the main weapon.
Rear end more closely resembles the FW Tantalus, with the wings sweeping down over the engine.
But, it seems to be neither of them.
Now, contrast and compare to the craft the Incubi are disembarking from. It’s chunkier than a Raider, and seems to have its weapons underslung, rather than mounted in the fore castle. It also appears to have a continuous flank, rather than the Raider/Ravager kit, where the centre part is open.
Now, discounting artistic interpretation, the general thinking is a possible dual kit.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
BrianDavion wrote: ohh GW to realize their flier bases are absolute crap and put out a new inceptor kit with a base that's actually good.
Pick up some 4” brass rings from your local Michaels, Jo Anns, Hobby Lobby, or other craft store and cut them into quarters. They make great flight rods.
Drager wrote: When? Certainly not since they've had models and rules, was this a bit of 2nd Ed lore I missed (totally could be and I'd be glad to have that pointed out!)? Since they were released as an army DE have been resolutely anti chaos and Slaanesh in particular..
Yes, prior to 3rd edition they were just Chaos Eldar. I don't know if they actually had an army list at all in RT, but they did get a feature in the Citadel Journal during 2nd ed.
When GW worked the army up for real for 3rd ed, they decided that just having them as Chaos Eldar was a bit dull, and went with the current background instead.
The Ahra story as told by an incubus. Also of note is that Ahra fought and defeated the other phoenix lords all at once in one version of this story and took on wave after wave of demons alone that caused the others to flee in another. Further, he never lost to Karandras. If Drazhar is Ahra, as implied, he could well be way stronger than Jain. Or about the same, depending on the story. I doubt he'd be weaker.
Path of the Incubus wrote:‘Followers flocked to Arhra’s shrines and he tested them for their worth. The weak and corrupt he slew, he taught discipline and martial skill only to those possessed of sufficient fury to stand against him. Where Chaos threatened Arhra always stood against it. It is told that in his final battle Arhra stood alone and without respite through days and nights when the other heroes failed to come to his aid. At last Arhra was pierced through the heart by the dark light of Chaos. What returned to the shrine showed Arhra’s face yet burned with an unholy fire that drove Arhra’s students into terror and madness.
‘When all seemed lost the students heard their master’s voice from amid the flames. It bid them to marshal their fury and stand against him, that now was the ultimate test of their discipline. Such was their devotion that they obeyed despite their terror. They slew Arhra’s corrupted mortal form and partook of his untouched spirit, taking it into themselves so that the way of Arhra should endure forever more.’
dan2026 wrote: I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.
That's fine. If that's how we're doing it...
However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.
And out of those "5 or 6 new character models or character redos", there's been very few that aren't named or tied to a subfaction.
Again, we're seeing a "crap ton of new stuff" for Marines because they just had a codex drop. We're seeing all these characters because they've split all the individual subfactions into their own sub-books and are taking the opportunity to drag out the release of the Marine stuff(which was five new items outside of the named characters! FIVE! Eliminators, Reiver Lieutenant, Infiltrators/Incursors dual box, Impulsor, and the Invictor Warsuit. There was also the individual release of the Phobos Captain and Librarian) into three months worth of releases with other stuff interspersed.
Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.
Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)
There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.
Literally nobody is saying they don't want Eldar to get other stuff updated. We don't know anything about what is coming or how it's coming out.
From my perspective? This looks like it might be a Shadowspear styled setup of all new items right off the bat. I'm very much wondering if there's going to be a Patrol Detachment for each side, or if the Craftworlder side of things might be a Vanguard.
I'm really loving this new dudley dursley act you're putting on every time someone complains that the endless marine releases are overshadowing the new chaos release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) the new sisters release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) and the new eldar/drukhari release (2 new characters, 2 new kits).
The fact that gw evidently believes that marine players have such short attention spans that if we aren't getting at least 1-2 marine clampacks, a new kit and two new supplements every two weeks or they'll have a fit is hilarious.
Oh no chaos marines got a new codex and some new units, quick better release 5 marine kits 10 marine characters and what are we at now, 7 marine codexes? That oughta compensate for the indignity of someone, anyone getting anything.
you relaize that Marines got a buncha new stuff at the same time chaos did, it was clear that this was a major release for both. it ain't marine players who are entitled here. Marine players just shrug and take their new stuff, (and most would like the marine releases finished up so GW can move on)
Move on to what? More marine releases per chance?
Marine players are unbelievable - we have one above whining that they aren't releasing the 7 new kits and supplements quickly enough. Players of other factions dream of 7 releases during an entire edition. Meanwhile you're expecting new releases while in the middle/coming to the end of another massive release;
BrianDavion wrote: ultramarines referanced a unit type called hellfuries, which MAY have been a tease. personally as a SM player I'd be fine with vanilla marines not getting much. the odd plastic special char here, the odd one there. a multipart supressor kit. ohh GW to realize their flier bases are absolute crap and put out a new inceptor kit with a base that's actually good.
dan2026 wrote: I consider Drazhar and Jain Zar part of the Banshees/Incubi.
But fair point.
That's fine. If that's how we're doing it...
However Marines are getting an absolute crap ton of new stuff
Including like 5 or 6 new character models or character redos.
And out of those "5 or 6 new character models or character redos", there's been very few that aren't named or tied to a subfaction.
Again, we're seeing a "crap ton of new stuff" for Marines because they just had a codex drop. We're seeing all these characters because they've split all the individual subfactions into their own sub-books and are taking the opportunity to drag out the release of the Marine stuff(which was five new items outside of the named characters! FIVE! Eliminators, Reiver Lieutenant, Infiltrators/Incursors dual box, Impulsor, and the Invictor Warsuit. There was also the individual release of the Phobos Captain and Librarian) into three months worth of releases with other stuff interspersed.
Remember Eldar still have the vast majority of their range in finecast.
Dragons, Hawks, Spears, Rangers, Spiders, Scorpions, Reapers, Grotesques, Mandrakes, Beastmasters/Beasts, all the court of the Archon models (apart from Ur-ghuls)
There is so much that is behind its silly.
I want to believe that the winds are changing I really do.
I just have this sinking feeling.
Literally nobody is saying they don't want Eldar to get other stuff updated. We don't know anything about what is coming or how it's coming out.
From my perspective? This looks like it might be a Shadowspear styled setup of all new items right off the bat. I'm very much wondering if there's going to be a Patrol Detachment for each side, or if the Craftworlder side of things might be a Vanguard.
I'm really loving this new dudley dursley act you're putting on every time someone complains that the endless marine releases are overshadowing the new chaos release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) the new sisters release (4 new characters, 4 new kits) and the new eldar/drukhari release (2 new characters, 2 new kits).
The fact that gw evidently believes that marine players have such short attention spans that if we aren't getting at least 1-2 marine clampacks, a new kit and two new supplements every two weeks or they'll have a fit is hilarious.
Oh no chaos marines got a new codex and some new units, quick better release 5 marine kits 10 marine characters and what are we at now, 7 marine codexes? That oughta compensate for the indignity of someone, anyone getting anything.
you relaize that Marines got a buncha new stuff at the same time chaos did, it was clear that this was a major release for both. it ain't marine players who are entitled here. Marine players just shrug and take their new stuff, (and most would like the marine releases finished up so GW can move on)
Move on to what? More marine releases per chance?
Marine players are unbelievable - we have one above whining that they aren't releasing the 7 new kits and supplements quickly enough. Players of other factions dream of 7 releases during an entire edition. Meanwhile you're expecting new releases while in the middle/coming to the end of another massive release;
BrianDavion wrote: ultramarines referanced a unit type called hellfuries, which MAY have been a tease. personally as a SM player I'd be fine with vanilla marines not getting much. the odd plastic special char here, the odd one there. a multipart supressor kit. ohh GW to realize their flier bases are absolute crap and put out a new inceptor kit with a base that's actually good.
Modern GW plastic kits only exist because of the popularity of marines. You should be thanking us.
A modern Sisters army didn't exist aswell because of you.
A updated Chaos line also and we are not going to talk about the xenos ranges and the % of failcast still failing in them.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Since I started playing in late 4th ed, the biggest renaissance 40k ever saw was the release of the 8th ed indexes. With just an equivalent amount of attention being paid to marines, and not a massive disproportionate amount, the game suddenly became exciting again for so many people.
With the design space and time they've committed to making these freaking skittles taste the rainbow marine codexes (which marine players will basically just take the most competitive one and leave the others to rot, we already have a multipage post about Blue Iron Hands now lol) they could have created 2.0 codexes for:
The 10 clampack characters they're releasing for marines could have been badly needed plastic kits for gak like Ork Warbosses and Weirdboyz, a skitarii HQ, mobile DEhqs, basic Chaos Lords/Sorcerors, all that stuff that's like the basic iconic HQ choices for the core factions in the game that's still sitting in finecast waiting while we're unpacking Primaris Lieutenant Sculpt #11.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
ekwatts wrote: Ooh, a thread of people complaining about Marines, haven't had one of those for a while.
we have them everytime Marines get a release. and it's always the same, whining that marines get something, followed by passive agressive comments that suggest GW is misusing their design time, followed by people outright claiming that Marines are somehow stealing releases from other factions.
With the design space and time they've committed to making these freaking skittles taste the rainbow marine codexes (which marine players will basically just take the most competitive one and leave the others to rot, we already have a multipage post about Blue Iron Hands now lol) they could have created 2.0 codexes for:
some 40k players will always take the most compeitive army no matter what. furthermore you're assuming we're not going to see new material and possiably even new codices for the stuff you've mentioned. I also find it amusing you put blood angels, dark angels and space wolves there. it's ok for them to get a seperate book, but not ok for Imperial fists?
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
we have them everytime Marines get a release. and it's always the same, whining that marines get something, followed by passive agressive comments that suggest GW is misusing their design time, followed by people outright claiming that Marines are somehow stealing releases from other factions.
Probably does not help that Marine exclusive players scream and have tantrams in loads of threads that their specific Marine Sub Sub faction is not
1) Got all the toys everyone else gets - plus their own super exclusive ones
2) Has crap rules
3) Other factions are getting stuff when they are not ( even though not a week goes by without something for Marines)
Then you get the sheer stupidity of claiming that spending limited resources on one thing does not mean another does not get done (unless they really are think enough to think GW has infinitte time and resources)
Does it?
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Drager wrote: The Ahra story as told by an incubus. Also of note is that Ahra fought and defeated the other phoenix lords all at once in one version of this story and took on wave after wave of demons alone that caused the others to flee in another. Further, he never lost to Karandras. If Drazhar is Ahra, as implied, he could well be way stronger than Jain. Or about the same, depending on the story. I doubt he'd be weaker.
Path of the Incubus wrote:‘Followers flocked to Arhra’s shrines and he tested them for their worth. The weak and corrupt he slew, he taught discipline and martial skill only to those possessed of sufficient fury to stand against him. Where Chaos threatened Arhra always stood against it. It is told that in his final battle Arhra stood alone and without respite through days and nights when the other heroes failed to come to his aid. At last Arhra was pierced through the heart by the dark light of Chaos. What returned to the shrine showed Arhra’s face yet burned with an unholy fire that drove Arhra’s students into terror and madness.
‘When all seemed lost the students heard their master’s voice from amid the flames. It bid them to marshal their fury and stand against him, that now was the ultimate test of their discipline. Such was their devotion that they obeyed despite their terror. They slew Arhra’s corrupted mortal form and partook of his untouched spirit, taking it into themselves so that the way of Arhra should endure forever more.’
Drager wrote: The Ahra story as told by an incubus. Also of note is that Ahra fought and defeated the other phoenix lords all at once in one version of this story and took on wave after wave of demons alone that caused the others to flee in another. Further, he never lost to Karandras. If Drazhar is Ahra, as implied, he could well be way stronger than Jain. Or about the same, depending on the story. I doubt he'd be weaker.
Path of the Incubus wrote:‘Followers flocked to Arhra’s shrines and he tested them for their worth. The weak and corrupt he slew, he taught discipline and martial skill only to those possessed of sufficient fury to stand against him. Where Chaos threatened Arhra always stood against it. It is told that in his final battle Arhra stood alone and without respite through days and nights when the other heroes failed to come to his aid. At last Arhra was pierced through the heart by the dark light of Chaos. What returned to the shrine showed Arhra’s face yet burned with an unholy fire that drove Arhra’s students into terror and madness.
‘When all seemed lost the students heard their master’s voice from amid the flames. It bid them to marshal their fury and stand against him, that now was the ultimate test of their discipline. Such was their devotion that they obeyed despite their terror. They slew Arhra’s corrupted mortal form and partook of his untouched spirit, taking it into themselves so that the way of Arhra should endure forever more.’
So long as someone picks up the armor, then death is not permanent for a Phoenix Lord. Even a scrap of the armor seems sufficient as Gav Thorpe has written a case where Jain Zarr regenerates completely from someone touching a shredded scrap of armor.
And that's the beauty of the Arhra story. It's a mystery and it has different, sometimes conflicting stories. The "truth" can be interpreted a number of ways.
I personally like the idea of him being Drazhar, although I also like the idea that he might not be the original Arhra. As-in the original died and Drazhar is a later "incarnation" similar to how a Phoenix Lord can be reborn if an new meat-suit dons the armour.
The difference to me, it that Arhra may not have used a Spirit Stone. Drazhar does not seem to sport one at least (intact anyway, since Incubi like to wear the broken stones of Aspects they've slain)
So there could be something else tying the "essence" of Arhra to Drazhars Armour. This could even make him a slightly different entity rather than a true "cloning" that seems to happen with PLs
Fun little headcannon aside:
What if Arhra's body was corrupted and possessed, but the demon could not corrupt the soulstone(s)?
And so when Arhra's body died, Arhra (the armor) went dormant until another Eldar donned it - just like any other Exarch/Phoenix Lord?
That new personality then merged with Arhra's soul, which itself was uncorrupted. Knowing that Arhra had fallen, he took the name Drazhar.
Way beyond speculative, it's firmly in "headcanon" territory. But it agrees with lore just enough to avoid the "crackpot" label, I think.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One of the reasons for this: age.
Eldrad is old. Really old. Even for Eldar. There aren't many Eldar who reach his age. He's one of the few who "naturally" reach that age. And he uses Soulstones to avoid Slanesh.
Asurman, Jain Zar, and company are similarly old - their bodies are not. Their bodies die from time to time and are replaced. Nothing in the fluff points to a Phoenix Lord (or Exarch) being able to escape the aging of a single body.
Vect is also similarly old, but he's rejuvinated from taking pleasure in pain. That's how DE live so long. It's also how they survive Slanesh.
How does he not age? How does he avoid Slanesh?
There's no link to Cegorath, so that's out (Harlies' way).
There's no World Tree he's one with (Exodites' way).
It's not just a temporary sojourn (Exiles/Corsairs).
The obvious answer seems to be "The DE way". But that won't work for him. He takes pride and pleasure in strength. And maybe killing. But not in pain. Not in cruelty. He is murderous, deadly, scary, bad. But he's not an S&M torture fiend. He doesn't care for pain. So he doesn't slake Slanesh's corruption that way.
So how?
The one way not mentioned so far? Soulstones.
This all makes sense if he *is* a Phoenix Lord. He is his armor. Slanesh can't drink his soul because *soulstones*.
And has he truly never lost a fight? In nearly ten thousand years of fighting? Feasible if he's always picking fights he knows he can win. But if he's fighting difficult fights even occasionally, he's bound to lose at least a couple a millenium. And I can't see Drazhar settling for fights he knows he can win 100%. So what happens when he "dies"?
Again, if he still *is* a Phoenix Lord, another Incubi dons his armor, and he's reborn.
It certainly makes a lot of sense.
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