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2020/02/03 23:45:56
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
MajorWesJanson wrote: Nemesis, Night Gaunt, and Death Bringer were old warlord sub types. Komodo was mentioned in some HH black books. Warrior shows up in the Imperator novel.
There was also Eclipse in the old AT game.
That was the 4th Warlord variant. I knew I was forgetting one. Found the old cards.
Nemesis is slower and more durable, and with the new definition of a Nemesis titan, a Nemesis Warlord would be a bit better armored, maybe covering the abdominal plasma reactor issue, and better armed, either with a pair of full size warlord weapons or maybe an Emperor scale weapon on the carapace.
Deathbringer seems to be kind of the default Warlord.
Eclipse has a majority with a bit more speed and mostly 3 weapon mounts, this could have evolved into the Warbringer, possibly.
Nightgaunt is two arm weapons, no carapace, fast. Both have a single melee arm and gun arm.
2020/02/04 06:53:51
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
That would be fitting. The ludicrous transport capacity of the old one (wasn't it something like a full company of guardsmen and three Russes?) is something that could be downscaled in a reimagined version without sacrificing the core concept, which to me was always "supreme command bunker on tracks".
Looking at those same fan wikis, there's also mention of a thing called a Sacristan Crawler, used by Knight households for recovering and repairing fallen walkers. I think the game has too few non-titan, non-tank superheavies, so I'd love to see one of those at some point as well. Or I'll just have to break out the plasticard and build my own.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/02/04 10:42:47
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Why make one of those? Because I love scratchbuilding and bizarre conversions? I made a Leman Russ analogue out of plasticard and old sprue once, and one of my eternity projects is a 40k scale Gorgon. You can tell I've been at it for a long time by the fact that the Forgeworld kit was not out when I started that project. :-)
But no, I assume you mean "Why does the game need this?" I just think that support vehicles and objectives like that are fun, and it adds to the verisimilitude of the setting to have more than strictly front-line combat vehicles involved in a battle. It makes wargames feel less like chess, if you know what I mean, though how could you.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/02/04 11:15:57
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Support vehicles and such are always fun, even if only as objectives, especially when thinking about Titan warfare. Titans are basically untouchable by regular troops, which means they can be used as a great breakthrough formation that can trample over many defences and wreak havoc in the supply lines where such engines and crews would be found.
I've always liked asymmetrical scenarios, like one side trying to cover the retreat of noncombatants or damaged equipment while their opponent attempts to press the advantage or capture high value targets (loyalist support vehicles and mobile workshops could be enormously valuable for traitor legions operating with more sporadic support, for example).
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/02/04 11:54:30
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Sherrypie wrote: Support vehicles and such are always fun, even if only as objectives, especially when thinking about Titan warfare. Titans are basically untouchable by regular troops, which means they can be used as a great breakthrough formation that can trample over many defences and wreak havoc in the supply lines where such engines and crews would be found.
Except fluff doesn't portait them as invulnerable to requalr troops.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2020/02/04 12:05:23
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Indeed, ever since Adeptus Titanicus first landed all those decades ago, it's been clear one of the biggest threats to a Titan is indeed Infantry.
See, they can hide in buildings, wait for you and your Void Shields to pass close, and open up at point blank range. If that happens,there's nothing you can do about it.
Consider it the same things as to why Star Fighters/Bombers are so effective in Star Wars. Compared to a Capital Ship, they're mere Gnats. But they're not Gnats. They're Wasps. Angrier Wasps with bigger stings. Exploding Bigger Stings, and they can hit you exactly where they need to.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is why Warhounds feature in most maniples, in terms of Background.
They're fast enough to get out of dodge if ambushed, nimble enough to scout stuff out, and their weapon systems better geared toward shredding lots of light stuff.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Found the quote!
Grand Master Ferromort, Ordo Sinister, Divisio Militaris wrote:Despise infantry if you must. Crush them underfoot, by all means. But do not ignore them. Battlefields are littered with the wreckage of Titans whose crews ignored infantry.
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It's not that they're more vulnerable, just that infantry should never be completely ignored.
Consider. A heavy weapons platoon, or equivalent, dug into a building or foxhole etc. They're supported by Armour, and possibly even their own War Engines.
You've only brought Titan class stuff. Those Heavy Weapons are pew pew pewing all the time, helping to overwhelm your void shields. Or, you've suffered moderate damage to a weapon system, it's armour largely scrapped. Those Heavy Weapons instead pew pew pew at that damaged weapon, allowing enemy War Engines to focus elsewhere, confident their supporting infantry will finish the job.
They're also a dab hand at getting up round behind your Titan, where your own weapons cannot be brought to bear.
They can hide out in sewer systems and other hidden places, ready to pop up and start chipping away.
They can better adapt to your line of advance, potentially setting booby traps in your path.
Infantry are deadly, when used properly, and allowed a free rein. But, when you've your own foot sloggers? Much less so.
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Untouchable and invulnerable are very different things, fellas
The point of using them in the breakthrough isn't that they don't take damage, it's that they are essentially unstoppable as the first wave if they want to run through something smaller than a fortified city. They will get there, they will punch a hole in the line and then you can pour infantry and armour in behind them. Given how often 40k battles resemble the western front of the WW I, having a giga sized storm troop force go on a rampage helps the larger offensive get a hold of some area.
Using only large things is a stupid idea in the first place in any war: whatever does the killing, infantry does the winning.
There's also stuff well outside of the scope of Epic and 40k. And that's infantry boarding your carapace.
Get a Heresy Era support squad of Marines topside armed with meltaguns, and your Titan is in pretty serious trouble.
I mean, they can mag-lock themselves to the hull, so shaking them off isn't much of an option.
Shooting them off? Well, you'll need elevation, and best not use owt much more than Autocannon, or you risk doing as much damage to your Titan as to the squad.
Meanwhile the cheeky chappies are having a good old scuttle around up there. Point blank melta shot into your shield projectors or carapace weapon actuators?
They may struggle to get an actual engine kill as such - but they'll sure reduce it's fighting capability in relatively short order. And Machine God help you if they get on that possibly ill-advised gantry round the back
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Infantry....and aircrafts (praise the omnissiah for Warbringer AA gun!)
In the Warlord titan comic a Genestealer climb inside a warlord and almost wreck the whole crew of the main Titan, thing didn't go so well for the other Titan as they are completely taken over by Tyranid.
2020/02/04 12:59:18
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Marines taking out a titan like that would be a great sequence for one of the upcoming 40k animated series.
Speaking of thing outside the scope: I really want to see a new version of the Corvus Assault Pod at some point. It's just one of those bonkers and evocative 40k ideas with really limited in-game use.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/02/04 13:10:42
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
It's an idea that works better narratively than mechanically, since it's hard to see how delivering a few Epic bases' worth of infantry (I can't remember how much it was supposed to be able to carry, but I'm assuming something like 10-20) would be enough of a big deal to warrant taking off a titan's weapon arm.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2020/02/04 13:24:16
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Agamemnon2 wrote: Why make one of those? Because I love scratchbuilding and bizarre conversions? I made a Leman Russ analogue out of plasticard and old sprue once, and one of my eternity projects is a 40k scale Gorgon. You can tell I've been at it for a long time by the fact that the Forgeworld kit was not out when I started that project. :-)
But no, I assume you mean "Why does the game need this?" I just think that support vehicles and objectives like that are fun, and it adds to the verisimilitude of the setting to have more than strictly front-line combat vehicles involved in a battle. It makes wargames feel less like chess, if you know what I mean, though how could you.
No, I had my tab open for a while before I posted. That was a question in response to the post above yours. The question in full would be "Why would the Capitol Imperialis be based on an Ordinatus chassis?"
2020/02/04 14:13:30
Subject: Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
MarkNorfolk wrote: I love the Corvus Assault Pod! It's the perfect 'anti-infantry-who-are-hiding-out-in-a-building-that-doesn't- destroy-the-building' weapon.
Nah - Corvus Assault Head! Headbutt a building them vomit Terminators into it!
Why YOU Need the New Adeptus Titanicus Starter Set
For more than a year now, tabletops across the world have shaken beneath the tread of mighty god-machines. Entire battlegroups of Titans and their Knightly allies have waged war across countless battlefields, and whether you’re a veteran with dozens of engine kills under your belt, or brand new to Adeptus Titanicus, the new starter set is for you.
What’s in it? We’re glad you asked! This massive box contains everything you need to start playing Adeptus Titanicus, including rules, templates, dice and, of course, models.
You’ll get four Titans – two mighty Reaver Battle Titans and two nimble Warhound Scout Titans – as well as a pair of Cerastus Knight-Lancers. Everything you need to use these models in your games is included – command terminals to track their status, movement and weapon templates, as well as a host of cards for weapons, missions and stratagems.
There’s also a set of Battlefield Assets to bolster your battlegroup, all the tokens and status markers you need, and a 96-page rulebook which has been updated with all of the latest errata, meaning you’ll be 100% up-to-speed with how the game works.
Why is it a Good Starting Point? If you’ve never played Adeptus Titanicus and want to get up and running, this starter set contains everything you’ll need. The six models included form a fantastic beginner’s battlegroup, coupling the durability and high-powered weapons of the Reaver Titans with the speed and manoeuvrability of the Warhounds. The Cerastus Knights will show you how support banners work – as well as how deadly getting into melee with a shock lance can be!
The rulebook contains guides for building your force – including different maniples you can use to organise your battlegroup – along with a series of missions to play. There are also rules for various different Titan Legions, each with their own distinct abilities and play styles, as well as colour schemes for their god-machines.
I Play Already – Why do I Want This? Did you see how much great stuff is in the box?
What if I Want to Play With a Friend? You may have noticed that the box contains two of each Titan. Split the set with a mate, and you’ll each have the start of your own battlegroup. A Reaver and Warhound each is perfect for learning how to play, and once you both have a grasp of the rules, you can reinforce them with Questoris Knights and more Titans – including towering Warlords, the most powerful and destructive engines in the game.
If you really want to get set up perfectly for two players, pick up a Grand Master Edition alongside the new box. This set contains two Warlords and six Questoris Knights, as well as another full set of rules and accessories, meaning you’ll both have even more to play with, along with some plastic buildings to battle across (or turn into rubble) with your formidable battlegroups.
Whether you’re looking to expand your existing maniples or start battling in the name of the Emperor or Horus (your choice), the Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy starter set is absolutely unmissable – and you’ll be able to pre-order your copy on Saturday the 8th of February. Before then, you can grab a box of Knights or a Titan and start preparing your forces – you can never have too many war engines, after all.
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2020/02/04 15:21:07
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
There’s also a set of Battlefield Assets to bolster your battlegroup, all the tokens and status markers you need, and a 96-page rulebook which has been updated with all of the latest errata, meaning you’ll be 100% up-to-speed with how the game works.
2020/02/04 16:26:20
Subject: Re:Adeptus Titanicus news and rumours - Nemesis Warbringer Titan and Shadow and Iron book - pg 252
Pleased to see the new starter be a decent collection for a decent price; great way to tempt people in. Slightly disappointed with the price of the Warbringer – I had hope it would sit at £40–£45, nearer to the Reaver price than the Warlord.
While I don't like the aesthetics of the Warbringer as much as the Reaver (my absolute favourite), I think it'll grow on me; and there are elements I think are fantastic. The head will hopefully swap out nicely with a Warlord.
