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**Azreal13**

After the shocking news that Marvel and Sony’s backroom deal to share the rights to one of the most popular superheroes in the world broke up last month, it seems the tumultuous saga is already over: the two studios have announced a new deal to co-produce a third entry in the Spider-Man: Homecoming series.

Deadline reports that as part of the deal, Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige will produce the film alongside Amy Pascal. The deal will also allow Tom Holland’s iteration of Peter Parker to appear in future films in both Sony’s fledgling spider-verse of potential movies and Disney’s Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here’s the full statement from Feige:

I am thrilled that Spidey’s journey in the MCU will continue, and I and all of us at Marvel Studios are very excited that we get to keep working on it. Spider-Man is a powerful icon and hero whose story crosses all ages and audiences around the globe. He also happens to be the only hero with the superpower to cross cinematic universes, so as Sony continues to develop their own Spidey-verse you never know what surprises the future might hold.

The announcement comes after what has been a tumultuous month of back-and-forth regarding Spider-Man’s future in the wake of Far From Home, which became the highest-grossing release in Sony’s history this past summer.

Initially the deal between the two studios—which has seen Feige and Marvel Studios co-produce Far From Home and its predecessor, Homecoming, while also allowing Spider-Man to appear in the Marvel Studios-made films Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame—over Feige’s role in producing the Spider-Man movies. Shortly after the news broke, Sony released a statement alleging Feige’s lack of time to work on “IP [Disney] do not own.”

https://io9.gizmodo.com/sony-and-marvel-strike-new-deal-to-keep-spider-man-in-t-1838527425

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Told ya.

Both really like their munneh!

**Turnip Jedi**

Money, for want of a better word, is good

Any chance of a fist fight in the carpark to get the 4 back too

**Alpharius**

This is...good news!

(And more Mysterio, please!)

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Turnip Jedi wrote:
Money, for want of a better word, is good

Any chance of a fist fight in the carpark to get the 4 back too

Fantastic Four? If so, they’ve got ‘em thanks to buying Fox.

Frightful Four? I Dunno!

**Turnip Jedi**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Turnip Jedi wrote:
Money, for want of a better word, is good

Any chance of a fist fight in the carpark to get the 4 back too

Fantastic Four? If so, they’ve got ‘em thanks to buying Fox.

Frightful Four? I Dunno!

hurrah, I'd rather see a decent FF movie over yet more X-tosh (X-23 and Dazzler aside)

**Ahtman**

Alpharius wrote:
(And more Mysterio, please!)

I hate to be the one to break it to you but....

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Ahhh, but...spoiler just in case.

Politeness.

Spoiler:

**balmong7**

Turnip Jedi wrote:
Money, for want of a better word, is good

Any chance of a fist fight in the carpark to get the 4 back too

The 4? Marvel got fantastic 4 and xmen back when they bought fox.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Defo on for a MCU take on Marvel’s First Family.

Traditionally they’ve always been, in my opinion, more of a kids’ thing within the Marvel oeuvre. Not in a demeaning hoity-toity git way. Just the cartoon I saw as a Teen was defo less aimed at my age group than X-Men.

I’m really hoping Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (the concept of which has sort of be introduced in Far From Home) is the gateway to patching the MCU’s lack of mutants etc, allowing F4 and Mutants to be properly introduced, without a cop-out ‘we’ve recategorised supes’ fudging.

All three elements deserve better than such a fudging.

**Yodhrin**

I'd also like to see a well-executed F4 movie.

It's actually one of the few things these days I think MovieBob has something interesting to say about - I really liked his "pitch" of their initial film being a Cap-style "period piece" back in the 60's, and then they get timey-wimey'd(or given Strange, dimensiony-wensiony) into the modern MCU due to the conclusion of their debut movie's plot.

**Azreal13**

Would they be all recasty wasty too? Because I don't want Dr Christian Von Doom-Troy again.

**LunarSol**

This whole thing was a pretty basic negotiation that someone decided to drag out in public to try and use PR to leverage a better deal. There wasn't ever really a real chance that it wouldn't happen; even if it required us seeing the Disney Playstation 5 at next year's E3.

**Alpharius**

Ahtman wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
(And more Mysterio, please!)

I hate to be the one to break it to you but....

Ha ha!

I don't things are as you think they appear to be!

Turnip Jedi wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Turnip Jedi wrote:
Money, for want of a better word, is good

Any chance of a fist fight in the carpark to get the 4 back too

Fantastic Four? If so, they’ve got ‘em thanks to buying Fox.

Frightful Four? I Dunno!

hurrah, I'd rather see a decent FF movie over yet more X-tosh (X-23 and Dazzler aside)

The MCU not only got back the rights to the X-Men and FF, but *most* of their associated friends and foes too.

Except for a few odd men out, like Namor, for example.

I think!

**Turnip Jedi**

Azreal13 wrote:
Would they be all recasty wasty too? Because I don't want Dr Christian Von Doom-Troy again.

Mock ye not the absolute monarch of Summer Bay, remember he also tried to fight the Charmless ones too

**Azreal13**

LunarSol wrote:
This whole thing was a pretty basic negotiation that someone decided to drag out in public to try and use PR to leverage a better deal. There wasn't ever really a real chance that it wouldn't happen; even if it required us seeing the Disney Playstation 5 at next year's E3.

I don't think this is exactly surprising anyone? More that it's nice to have it confirmed and therefore the chance that things might have devolved/escalated beyond any hope of resolution now seems to have been put to bed.

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Turnip Jedi wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Would they be all recasty wasty too? Because I don't want Dr Christian Von Doom-Troy again.

Mock ye not the absolute monarch of Summer Bay, remember he also tried to fight the Charmless ones too

Plus a transgender detecting ding-dong.

Think on that.

The only interest I'd have in Fantastic 4 is if they make Dr. Doom worth watching, along the lines of Thanos in the last few movies. If he is just going to be a joke like the one in those Fox movies, I think it's best to just not. If they wanted to, I imagine they could adapt whatever that storyline was with Doom, High Evolutionary and Galactus, for a more "universe-wide" scope, even bringing in Silver Surfer in the actual "Herald of Galactus" role (and likely something of Ms. Marvel, I am not really all that familiar with that whole story line, really)/

When I was younger, Spiderman was my favorite comic, but now-a-days, not so much. I think I'd personally be more interesting in a MCU reboot of X-Men, if it was long the "quality" lines of The Avengers movies. Also, a Dark Phoenix Saga with the sort of tone of Infinity Wars would be something neat to me. Again, as long as Mr. Sinister isn't a flat joke. (Although, of course, you can do Phoenix/Dark Phoenix without him, I think it's better if you do rather than Mastermind. Of course, I like like Mr. Sinister, so...)

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Yeah not surprising at all. it was always going too happen. All this Kerfuffle was just a negotiating tactic.

**AduroT**

Ahtman wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
(And more Mysterio, please!)

I hate to be the one to break it to you but....

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Ahhh, but...spoiler just in case.

Politeness.

Spoiler:

Given his MO, he’s something of a Schrodinger’s Corpse in terms of narrative options.

Spoiler:

**Ahtman**

Alpharius wrote:
I don't things are as you think they appear to be!

People don’t think it be like it is, but it do.

Spoiler:

**Voss**

Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Yeah not surprising at all. it was always going too happen. All this Kerfuffle was just a negotiating tactic.

Eh. Seemed more like a PR, rile-the-audiences stunt. A test for how much its worth.
Though given that Spider-man movies make up half of Sony's Top 10 all time highest money-makers, rocking the Spiderboat would just be dumb.

**LordofHats**

Called it.

**H.B.M.C.**

Fantastic Four is what I'm waiting for because the FF come with so many great bad guys. Doom can be a multi-phase level villain, leading to a "You fools! Only Doom can prepare the Earth for the danger that comes for us!" and then the end credits is Earth, and we see a bit of the Silver Surfer appear and then we have to wait for the next film to find out what it means.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
... (the concept of which has sort of be introduced in Far From Home)...

Not really. Beck was lying.

**Voss**

The thing with the FF villains is the FF aren't needed to bring the villains along. Which is good, as they're the weakest part.

Doom can easily be a Strange villain (as he is a failed student of the Ancient One). The various cosmic entities don't require the FF at all. Earth has made its splash in the galactic arena, and there aren't any backsies.

Surfer and other Heralds, Galactus himself, etc. are very much perfect for Captain Marvel, as they're also on the 'outclass all mortals' scale, so she doesn't just trivially overpower them- which is going to be an ongoing problem for her films. Especially given the general MCU legacy of being generally crap at providing actual villains for the majority of 20 odd films.

**Azreal13**

Some of that will be that arguably some of the best villians were attached to licences for other heroes. Kingpin was originally licenced to Fox and used for the Daredevil movie, for instance, and therefore couldn't cross over to the Sony made Spidey movies.

Spidey having one of the largest and arguably best rosters couldn't then be used outside of the Sony bubble in turn, despite crossing over titles frequently in the comics.

The fractured licences has been as big, if not a bigger, problem for villains than for the heroes IMO.

**hotsauceman1**

LunarSol wrote:
This whole thing was a pretty basic negotiation that someone decided to drag out in public to try and use PR to leverage a better deal. There wasn't ever really a real chance that it wouldn't happen; even if it required us seeing the Disney Playstation 5 at next year's E3.

Legit Disney wrote the ending of Far From Home to make sure fans demand a resolution and make it seem like Sony did them a dirty.
Because the contract was two movies.

**Alpharius**

Tin foil hat time!

**LunarSol**

I mean... he's probably not wrong....

**LordofHats**

I can see it.

**Voss**

Azreal13 wrote:
Some of that will be that arguably some of the best villians were attached to licences for other heroes. Kingpin was originally licenced to Fox and used for the Daredevil movie, for instance, and therefore couldn't cross over to the Sony made Spidey movies.

Some, yes. But they also criminally underused the brief appearances of the Red Skull, AIM, and the Mandarin, and basically had audiences tail-chasing for multiple films in the hopes that next time, <named villain> would appear. Even to the point of setting up the Hydra Strucker Twins (Fenris) and then... haha: Wanda and Pietro. Baron Strucker and Zemo were a complete non-entities and didn't need to be.