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I actually like going from Imperial Guards into Astra Militarum. But the others have been complete misses for me. However, as a long time fan of the franchise, some of the new names don't really stick to me. Furthermore, there are a ton of other Sci-fi stuff out there with much cooler names and GW is still naming like this is the 80s.

Eldar into Aeldari.

Craftworld into Asuryani.

Dark Eldar into Drukhari.

Tau into T'au.

And now Tyranids into Forces of the Hive Mind. Please no. We already have Forces of Chaos. Why not just call them Tyranids? Genestealer Cults are Tyranids as well. Don't argue they are half-some-other-race because it is the purpose of the Tyranids to absorb and assimilate genetics of other races, so the Genestealers Cultists are fully Tyranids just as Reapers are no longer Squiqs. If you are going to call them Forces of the Hive Mind, then bring back the Zoats.



I was looking at a tournament result analysis and the name Forces of the Hive Mind stuck out like a sore thumb.

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Blame Chapterhouse Studios, or rather GW's complete panic in the wake of Chapterhouse Studios.

   
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I agree that the old names were better. Imperial Guard especially sounds better than Astra Militarum.

But what the feth was wrong with the 80s?
   
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What was wrong with the old names was that on nearly every point of IP infringement that was ruled against GW in court was do with the fact that they can't claim IP on generic fantastical labels.

It's why you no longer have Orks, but Orruks.

It's why you no longer have Elves, but Aelves.

Imperial Guard, Eldar and Space Marines are not original names which is why steadily over the years they have been rebranded under a clearer IP and their own creation.


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The tournament could've called them anything, but they went with 'Forces of the Hive Mind' to indicate it wasn't a pure Tyranid army, but a Tyranid/GSC/maybe-Guard Soup list. It's not an official name in the sense of AM etc.
   
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Curious: why the change back to Space Marines with their codex 2.0 from Adeptus Astartes in their 1.0 codex?

Personally I like the change and wish we could go back to all the original names.
   
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I like them, but GW introduced them in a hamfisted way (why is that a running theme of 8th..?) and it was down to Black Library to explain it properly.

Drukarhi and Asuryani are no different from what they did in WHFB decades before (Druchii and Asur for Dark Elves and High Elves). They are simply what the races call themselves. The old names are not invalid by any means.

Same with Orruks/Ogors. I dislike both names but both are explained as a simple bastardised version of the original spelling due to many thousands of years between the OG ones and now. Exactly like with our own words, which drop and add letters and spellings all the time over different epochs.

As for Astra Militarum, not a fan either but GW has been doing it for a while. AM is simply their High Gothic name. IG is Low Gothic, just like Carcharadons Astra/Space Sharks or Vlka Fenrika/Space Wolves. Both names are interchangeable.

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I was in total shock when I couldn't find gak in Age of Sigmar. Where are simply Orks? They are gone now? W40k version was more of a hit than a miss to me, because those names existed for a long time prior of this. I think the biggest issue is that these names were introduced so suddenly, if these names would had existed at least edition previously, people would get to know those names and it would be easier to shift them. Also, I'm not sure if GW still refers them in their old names. Legally their creation primary names have to be what they are now, but each thing can be called in dozen other less known names for sake of consumers.

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I won't use the new names. I feel like a 12 year old if I have to order any of the units or talk about about them. It's Guard, Space Marines, Eldar Dark Eldar, etc, etc. At the time no one remembers the old names, I'll drift off into memory, like the road warrior as my time will have passed.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
I agree that the old names were better. Imperial Guard especially sounds better than Astra Militarum.

But what the feth was wrong with the 80s?


It was a racist time? At least here. though I doubt it was much different in other parts of the world.

Only problem I have with some of the names is adding unneeded vowels. Going from elf to aelf is just silly.
   
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At least the Astra Whatever gave us this meme. Silver lining?

Karol wrote:
Only problem I have with some of the names is adding unneeded vowels. Going from elf to aelf is just silly.
It's not just adding an a to the front, but a ™ to the end.


   
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I think a lot of the backlash against the new naming convention is just hollow nostalgia and largely unjustified. Almost all of the old names are still used by players, GW staff, and in-universe characters when talking in normal conversation.

We all know why they're changing, and it's not surprising or unreasonable that GW want to protect their IP. Maybe you prefer Eldar to Asuryani. That's your valid opinion and you can call them whatever you like. But you're not forced to use the new term. Imperial characters in Black Library novels and other fluff still call them the Eldar. They still call Space Marines Space Marines.

As for the Tyranids example, this isn't even a name change. It's just a new term (more a title really - no new words there) for the Tyranids and Genestealer Cults collectively. Now that they have two/three factions they can use in the same army, it makes sense for there to exist a term for their combined forces.
   
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I do not really mind to much, as far as the game goes I think there is far worse offenders within it.
I do not even mind using them within context of the game for the most part even if they are so jarring at times.
It does not help that you then suddenly have, space wolves, blood angels, dark angels mixed in with all this high fantasy names.

Off topic, I need to read up on the soaps coming back. It’s got to be a huge departure from current tyranid stuff right.
   
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bibotot wrote:
I actually like going from Imperial Guards into Astra Militarum. But the others have been complete misses for me. However, as a long time fan of the franchise, some of the new names don't really stick to me. Furthermore, there are a ton of other Sci-fi stuff out there with much cooler names and GW is still naming like this is the 80s.

Eldar into Aeldari.

Craftworld into Asuryani.

Dark Eldar into Drukhari.

Tau into T'au.

And now Tyranids into Forces of the Hive Mind. Please no. We already have Forces of Chaos. Why not just call them Tyranids? Genestealer Cults are Tyranids as well. Don't argue they are half-some-other-race because it is the purpose of the Tyranids to absorb and assimilate genetics of other races, so the Genestealers Cultists are fully Tyranids just as Reapers are no longer Squiqs. If you are going to call them Forces of the Hive Mind, then bring back the Zoats.



I was looking at a tournament result analysis and the name Forces of the Hive Mind stuck out like a sore thumb.


I dont think thats official GW language. It was the tournament expressing a term for "tyranid soup".
   
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"You're not forced to" continued to be a terrible and meaningless counter-argument.

And it's not just nostalgia. There are so many terrible triple-barrelled Adjective Nounverb names out there, and the list keeps growing, even for very old units that have been renamed:

Grimghast Reapers
Deadwalker Zombies
Dreadblade Harrows
Myrmourn Banshees
Glaivewraith Stalkers
Pusgoyle Blightlords
Feculent Gnarlmaw
Sloppity Bilepiper
Spoilpox Scrivener
Dankhold Troggboss
Aleguzzler Gargant
Icefall Yhetees
Fellwater Troggoths
Icebrow Hunter
Drakesworn Templar
Melusai Blood Stalkers
Grundstok Thunderers
Onager Dunecrawler
Skorpius Dunerider
Sicarian Ruststalkers
Plagueburst Crawler
Foetid Bloat-Drone
Foul Blightspawn
Biologus Putrifier
Myphitic Blight-Hauler
Haarken Worldclaimer

So many of these could just be shortened and sound ten times better. Bilepiper over "Sloppity Bilepiper". Blighthauler over Myphitic Blight-Hauler. Grimghast over "Grimghast Reapers", and so on.

   
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I am sorry but that name

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"You're not forced to" continued to be a terrible and meaningless counter-argument.

And it's not just nostalgia. There are so many terrible triple-barrelled Adjective Nounverb names out there, and the list keeps growing, even for very old units that have been renamed:

Grimghast Reapers
Deadwalker Zombies
Dreadblade Harrows
Myrmourn Banshees
Glaivewraith Stalkers
Pusgoyle Blightlords
Feculent Gnarlmaw
Sloppity Bilepiper
Spoilpox Scrivener
Dankhold Troggboss
Aleguzzler Gargant
Icefall Yhetees
Fellwater Troggoths
Icebrow Hunter
Drakesworn Templar
Melusai Blood Stalkers
Grundstok Thunderers
Onager Dunecrawler
Skorpius Dunerider
Sicarian Ruststalkers
Plagueburst Crawler
Foetid Bloat-Drone
Foul Blightspawn
Biologus Putrifier
Myphitic Blight-Hauler
Haarken Worldclaimer

So many of these could just be shortened and sound ten times better. Bilepiper over "Sloppity Bilepiper". Blighthauler over Myphitic Blight-Hauler. Grimghast over "Grimghast Reapers", and so on.


This.

I'm pretty sure other companies manage to protect their IP without making it look like their unit names were badly translated from a language that doesn't exist.

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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

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Some of those I could see as names with titles.
Something like Myrmorn Zombies are a little clunky.

But I could see them expanding that with more zombies down the line. Using the name as both a name and a type like other games do.

But something like Feculent Gnarlmaw is a bit weird, since seems like you could just call it a Gnarlmaw. I would need to look that one up lol

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Yeah all these stupid names that GW is coming up these days

Ghazghkull Thraka
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Robute Guilliman
Lord Solar Macharius
Castellan Creed
Adsrubael Vect
Anrakyr the Traveler
Abbadon the Despoiler
Tzeentch
Slaanesh

uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah all these stupid names that GW is coming up these days

Ghazghkull Thraka
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Robute Guilliman
Lord Solar Macharius
Castellan Creed
Adsrubael Vect
Anrakyr the Traveler
Abbadon the Despoiler
Tzeentch
Slaanesh

uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!


Yes, because proper names and titles are comparable to descriptive names. Or do you go about calling trees and animals by their latin names?

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the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah all these stupid names that GW is coming up these days

Ghazghkull Thraka
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Robute Guilliman
Lord Solar Macharius
Castellan Creed
Adsrubael Vect
Anrakyr the Traveler
Abbadon the Despoiler
Tzeentch
Slaanesh

uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!
Oooh, and you missed Adeptus Astartes and Adeptus Mechanicus! Exalted.

I really don't have a problem with the new names. They're used interchangeably with the old ones we all know via nostalgia, and it's pretty clear that, in many cases, the names are just their own native language being used. Forces of the Hive Mind, IMO, whilst not even a GW term, is more accurate than just Tyranids - because Tyranids and Genestealer Cults aren't the same thing, but do fight for the same cause. It's a better descriptor, when they're being taken together. And complaining about T'au for adding in an apostrophe? It's hardly the end of the world.

It's just for trademarking's sake, but it's not like Eldar and Dark Eldar are gone from history. They're just used as informal terms - which, arguably, makes more sense.


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the_scotsman wrote:
uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!


Yes, because proper names and titles are comparable to descriptive names. Or do you go about calling trees and animals by their latin names?
We do with dinosaurs. Or shall I be referring to old Rexy as Tyrant Lizard King these days?

And, as I added, how about Adeptus Astartes, or Adeptus Mechanicus?

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 Sim-Life wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah all these stupid names that GW is coming up these days

Ghazghkull Thraka
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Robute Guilliman
Lord Solar Macharius
Castellan Creed
Adsrubael Vect
Anrakyr the Traveler
Abbadon the Despoiler
Tzeentch
Slaanesh

uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!


Yes, because proper names and titles are comparable to descriptive names. Or do you go about calling trees and animals by their latin names?


Proper names and...titles? Titles like "Morghast" or "Grundstock" or proper names like "Haarkon Worldclaimer"? We should give a pass to those? What is the functional difference between "Abbadon the Despoiler" and "Haarkon Worldclaimer"?

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the_scotsman wrote:
 Sim-Life wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah all these stupid names that GW is coming up these days

Ghazghkull Thraka
Wazdakka Gutsmek
Robute Guilliman
Lord Solar Macharius
Castellan Creed
Adsrubael Vect
Anrakyr the Traveler
Abbadon the Despoiler
Tzeentch
Slaanesh

uuuuuugh shorten it UP gw you can protect your precious IP without coming up with these stupid long unpronounceable names!


Yes, because proper names and titles are comparable to descriptive names. Or do you go about calling trees and animals by their latin names?


Proper names and...titles? Titles like "Morghast" or "Grundstock" or proper names like "Haarkon Worldclaimer"? We should give a pass to those? What is the functional difference between "Abbadon the Despoiler" and "Haarkon Worldclaimer"?


It depends if you're referring to him by his name or as "Warmaster of Chaos". Or if you're in AoS land "Warmaesterogis Of The Chaeotic Aermies"

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The fact that his name is Worldclaimer is the dumb but, but well done on missing the point with what I said and just including a bunch of named characters rather than unit names.

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Where are simply Orks?

There never were any Orks in Fantasy, that's a silly made up name for 40kids. They were Orcs, thank you, proper english spelling.
   
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I'd be quite happy to see the Space Wolves take their novellised names.
Vylca Fenryka-Folk of Fenris
Jarls-Wolf Lords
Huskjarls-Wolf Guard
Skjald-Any priest

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Where are simply Orks?

There never were any Orks in Fantasy, that's a silly made up name for 40kids. They were Orcs, thank you, proper english spelling.


Now they are the Orruk Warclans. Since it needed to be a bit silly again.
   
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Some I am fine with after all most of the older names are the inuniverse names for the races

So Dwarfs is the human name for the Dawi ( it was amusing when Gotrek was called out on this) and the "Eldar" and "Dark Eldar is the same for the Asuryani Drukhari.and both are better than "Space Elves"....

However completely agree with the Wolfy Wolf Wolf names and namy of the unit names

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Apple fox wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Where are simply Orks?

There never were any Orks in Fantasy, that's a silly made up name for 40kids. They were Orcs, thank you, proper english spelling.


Now they are the Orruk Warclans. Since it needed to be a bit silly again.

And they're made up of Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz, I am well aware. Just poking fun at the fact that Ork is actually the "silly, copyrighted" version of Orc to start with
   
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They'll definitely always be 'Space Elves'. All you 'Eldar' player were just too late to the party!
   
 
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