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How do!

With BR Morathi and Teclis both released, I figured we could do with a thread to discuss the events so far. Because unlike Psychic Awakening, serious stuff is kicking in the mortal realms.

I’ll use spoiler tags to start with, as I dunno how up on Morathi others are, and to be honest it’s just polite. Ready?

Spoiler:
Well now. At long last the Elf pantheon is kick arse and taking names.

Morathi has successfully ascended to Godhood, though through some unpleasant means. And she’s more or less kick started a new Naggaroth. The book itself is excellent, and really set the stage. Morathi being Morathi, and after the disappointment of Paycheck Awakening, I had been expecting some “next time, Gadget! Next time!” type close failure. But....nope. She took her shot, and it worked.

I also found it amusing just how easily she manipulated Sigmar.

Teclis is no disappointment either. And there’s a lot to unpack here. First and foremost, we see that he’s still a massively conceited being, and doesn’t think too highly of Sigmar. And it’s heavily implied that his actions don’t care about the cost of victory.

It was pleasing to see Alarielle get some airtime too, as she warns her brother God of his hubris. Sure, he’s shattered Nagash and sent him back to his underworld (which is pretty major when you think about it). But there are also clearly consequences to come. Alarielle knows it, Teclis knows it, but for us it’s a treat for the future.

And....where is Tyrion? Why hasn’t he been backing up his bro? The trail starts here. Certainly, seems he’s off dealing with something or someone deadlier than Nagash.... Again that is clearly stated, but the who remains a mystery.

So yeah, two for two so far in my opinion. Roll on Belakor and Kragnos, I guess! Because I would like to know more!

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The joy of Age of Sigmar is that the lore has not been shackled down like it has in 40k. I am actually looking forward to each book(and perhaps new edition) just to see what happens next in the story development.

Does feel like Death is about to be divvied up into separate factions. Mistrust also growing in Order with Morathi and her scheming.

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I’m about 1/4th the way through reading it, but I did listen to 2+ Tough’s review and his thoughts on it. I was initially wary of this book because of the early rumors, but I digged it as much as BR: Morathi.

Sidenote: I downloaded the digital book through I-tunes and the front cover is Broken Realms : Bel’akor, thought someone fethed up and I was about to get a sneak peek!

My favorite part, so far:

Spoiler:
When some Nighthaunt Knights take flight and charge Teclis. As soon as they get close to him, he notices them coming and smirks. Then he hits them with purifying magic, breaking Nagash’s curse on them as well as restoring them to life. And now that they are no longer incorporeal ghosts, they plummet to their death.


Speculation:

Spoiler:

-My boy Arkhan isn’t really gone for good is he? I’m sure he’ll be back, but damn that was a blow. Probably be back in a fresh coat of the Null Myriad paint scheme to tie him to his subfaction of OBR.
-Who/what is Tyrion fighting thats a greater threat than Nagash? Archaon? Does the Broken Realms saga run concurrently to Wrath of the Everchosen, where Archaon is assaulting Slaanesh’s prison?
-Who is the traitor in Teclis’s ranks? The Changeling?

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 nels1031 wrote:
I’m about 1/4th the way through reading it, but I did listen to 2+ Tough’s review and his thoughts on it. I was initially wary of this book because of the early rumors, but I digged it as much as BR: Morathi.

Sidenote: I downloaded the digital book through I-tunes and the front cover is Broken Realms : Bel’akor, thought someone fethed up and I was about to get a sneak peek!

My favorite part, so far:

Spoiler:
When some Nighthaunt Knights take flight and charge Teclis. As soon as they get close to him, he notices them coming and smirks. Then he hits them with purifying magic, breaking Nagash’s curse on them as well as restoring them in this bookto life. And now that they are no longer incorporeal ghosts, they plummet to their death.


Speculation:

Spoiler:

-My boy Arkhan isn’t really gone for good is he? I’m sure he’ll be back, but damn that was a blow. Probably be back in a fresh coat of the Null Myriad paint scheme to tie him to his subfaction of OBR.
-Who/what is Tyrion fighting thats a greater threat than Nagash? Archaon? Does the Broken Realms saga run concurrently to Wrath of the Everchosen, where Archaon is assaulting Slaanesh’s prison?
-Who is the traitor in Teclis’s ranks? The Changeling?

Spoiler:
Maybe whatever Slaanesh spawned at the end of BR: Morathi. Greater threat due to the Slaanesh/Elf angle not merely power level?

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Okay, so I'm usually a stickler for spoilers but...some of this stuff doesn't really qualify IMO.

Additionally, timeline related: Broken Realms is post-Wrath of the Everchosen.
   
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ngl, I'd written off Broken Realms as well, as Psychic Awakening 2: AoS boogaloo, but the lore of AoS is actually... MALLEABLE. Which is amazing. Characters can change, die, be brought back. Whole factions change. The whole world can change.

Gunna have to go back and actually get these books...
   
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If any being can survive what happened to Arkhan, it’s Arkhan! Biggest boon of course being he’s already dead. Though if the void is, erm, devoid of magic that cpu;d be a massive pain in the arse.

Taking more stock, we are seeing a significant shift in the power players.

Nagash and Arkhan are gone. And we know Neferata and Mannfred as still politicking and invading each other’s domains. With Nagash out for the count, and without Arkhan to speed his return it seem the cohesion of Death is gone.

I’m also interested in what it means to have cancelled the Necroquake out.

On the Chaos side, Slaanesh’s spawn is something new, and we know Belakor is next up - and the model has a ded Chaos Warrior as decoration. Historically, Belakor has been a detriment to the Gods because they can’t really control him. So one suspects he’ll be a big old spanner, and indeed a big old spanner in Archaon’s plans.

I suspect Death is going to go a bit quiet for now in terms of background contribution. They’ll still be a threat, but not an especially pressing one.

So it seems we’re likely to swing back to the ongoing war against Chaos, for the first time since Nagash when and Reverso Uno’d Shyish. There are a lot of players entered The Great Game since that time, and they’re mostly allies. Or at least sensible enough to see an alliance, however temporary, through properly before turning on each other.

And on the Mistrust within the pantheon of Order? I like it. They’re perhaps less set against one another than the Chaos Gods, but still far from one big old happy clappy family circle.

My favourite angle their? Teclis gifting Sigmar Enlightment Cannons, only for the Big Bearded Git to turn them into Thicky Rays. So whilst this book clearly paints Teclis as arrogant, we still get to see some of Sigmar’s shortcomings.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

I’m also interested in what it means to have cancelled the Necroquake out.


My biggest unfounded fear is it is the lore reason for them to discontinue the Malign Sorcery supplement. The Necroquake was the catalyst to release them, the end of the quake could be why they’ll no longer exist. It is a 2+ years old supplement.

My hope is that its the lore reason for them to change the rules for Endless Spells to what the Seraphon have (Bound Endless Spells).

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On the Chaos side, Slaanesh’s spawn is something new, and we know Belakor is next up - and the model has a ded Chaos Warrior as decoration. Historically, Belakor has been a detriment to the Gods because they can’t really control him. So one suspects he’ll be a big old spanner, and indeed a big old spanner in Archaon’s plans.


Exactly. It feels like Broken Realms key them is that every "too big to fail" in each faction is about to get a spanner into their gears.

My biggest unfounded fear is it is the lore reason for them to discontinue the Malign Sorcery supplement. The Necroquake was the catalyst to release them, the end of the quake could be why they’ll no longer exist. It is a 2+ years old supplement.

My hope is that its the lore reason for them to change the rules for Endless Spells to what the Seraphon have (Bound Endless Spells).


Endless Spells felt like they were trying to patch the dreaded Double Turn. If they end up dropping Turn Roll Off in 3.0 then the old Endless Spells need to be changed somewhat. I imagine that will happen eventually if they go for the more traditional turn order.

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Better do lot more than that to prevent games being predictable enough that "see the list, know the winner" vs now when winner is clear maybe round 4

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I think when you put 'spoiler' in the title it is fine to not use spoiler tags; anyone who wants to avoid them won't click the thread in the first place.

 Eldarsif wrote:
The joy of Age of Sigmar is that the lore has not been shackled down like it has in 40k. I am actually looking forward to each book(and perhaps new edition) just to see what happens next in the story development.

Does feel like Death is about to be divvied up into separate factions. Mistrust also growing in Order with Morathi and her scheming.
Totally, 100% agreed. I looked at the recent 40k campaign book release and saw it was $60 for less content and no relevant plot. It continues to shock me just how big the gap in quality is for AoS and 40k campaign books, because the AoS ones are fantastic.


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Necroquake was like an earthquake with periodic aftershocks following it, but the first big shake is what disrupted magic enough to cause endless spells in that it fundamentally changed the state of things. That effect is the Arcanum Optimar. All BR:Teclis did is halt the continuous expansion of deathly energies from the Shyish nadir; the Arcanum Optimar has not been affected. Endless spells are kicking around just like they did before.

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Wait is Belakor fighting Tyrion? is that the deadlier enemy?

I mean it would make sense. I hope they don't kill Tyrion man, I really want my Phoenix Dragons!

Overall I love where this story is going for broken realms they are really interesting and Morathi was a page turner with high stakes and lots of wonderful character moments.


Another great part about this book is just my favorite revenge story:

Spoiler:
Elitharion getting his vengeance on and throwing arkhan off Hysh, I kid you not I laughed my arse off
   
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I enjoyed Arkhan trying to grab Eltharkon by the neck, and having a “too hot bath” moment.

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The whole end fights were great, the only parts I was kind of iffy on was the Mortarchs but. Thats fine.

I do think overall the stories present in broken realms are going to be interesting.

My pet theory about the next big bad is that the Lumineth and most of the races we saw 'winning' are going to get the arses handed to them by Belakor as he will be the next big bad guy.

Which stinks because 40k does not tie anything to its narrative with model releases, while AOS really is able to gather hype and love for the models releasing just by tying it really well to the central narrative. And we have actual stakes to the characters and stories. Which also helps like ground the setting.

Somehow AOS felt more grounded than 40k has in ages.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
The joy of Age of Sigmar is that the lore has not been shackled down like it has in 40k. I am actually looking forward to each book(and perhaps new edition) just to see what happens next in the story development.

Does feel like Death is about to be divvied up into separate factions. Mistrust also growing in Order with Morathi and her scheming.


Age of Sigmar, despite it's rough start seems to me to be akin to a great love affair. You can tell the team who is responsible for all aspects of the IP actually seem to care about it.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
The joy of Age of Sigmar is that the lore has not been shackled down like it has in 40k. I am actually looking forward to each book(and perhaps new edition) just to see what happens next in the story development.

Does feel like Death is about to be divvied up into separate factions. Mistrust also growing in Order with Morathi and her scheming.


Age of Sigmar, despite it's rough start seems to me to be akin to a great love affair. You can tell the team who is responsible for all aspects of the IP actually seem to care about it.


It helps that the AoS team essentially had a clean slate since they were starting at the beginning and thus we have no expectations as to the status quo of the setting. Plus, memes aside regarding Stormcast, there's no "main force" driving the narrative. Contrast to the 40K team, who has the past 20 years to be constrained by and a mostly Imperium centric story to tell. Yes, they've been given a bit more leeway by finally lifting the "stay pre-millenium change" restriction, but they still have to keep a mostly Imperium status quo intact so they have more restraints to what they can do vs AoS.

That freedom to keep us wondering what's next and willingness to actually affect the status of what we've had for the past couple months makes the story more alive, especially vs the constant "worst thing ever happens, oh look 11th hour save that keeps the overall situation the same" 40K has to keep repeating.

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Cool looking foraward to the second book.

Spoiler:
Nagash and Arkhan are gone. And we know Neferata and Mannfred as still politicking and invading each other’s domains. With Nagash out for the count, and without Arkhan to speed his return it seem the cohesion of Death is gone.

Does Manfred actually achieve anything?
Neferata would likely be happy to ally at least in name with the forces of Order - it suits her plans and style and Sigmar sought her out at the beginning of the realmgate wars as a potential ally....
On other other hand a Morathi/Neferata alliance would be scary fun (if likely short lived)

If Nagash is truly gone - does that mean all the gods of the dead he devoured went with him?

Teclis has always been a total dick - glad to see that continues.

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Teclis is indeed a total prick who does it for the greater good but is still setting records in big a dick he can be while doing it. Maybe he's compensating for something...

Mannfred is the only character who had his plans achieved perfectly; he failed in his mission in exactly the manner he wished to, freeing up forces to attack Neffy and instigating further Sylvaneth-Nurgle conflict that we don't know if it is incidental or part of further goals.
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Teclis is indeed a total prick who does it for the greater good but is still setting records in big a dick he can be while doing it. Maybe he's compensating for something...

Mannfred is the only character who had his plans achieved perfectly; he failed in his mission in exactly the manner he wished to, freeing up forces to attack Neffy and instigating further Sylvaneth-Nurgle conflict that we don't know if it is incidental or part of further goals.


Well he used to have concubines who were both twins and princesses........

Wow must be first for Mannfred!

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Cool looking foraward to the second book.

Spoiler:
Nagash and Arkhan are gone. And we know Neferata and Mannfred as still politicking and invading each other’s domains. With Nagash out for the count, and without Arkhan to speed his return it seem the cohesion of Death is gone.

Does Manfred actually achieve anything?
Neferata would likely be happy to ally at least in name with the forces of Order - it suits her plans and style and Sigmar sought her out at the beginning of the realmgate wars as a potential ally....
On other other hand a Morathi/Neferata alliance would be scary fun (if likely short lived)

If Nagash is truly gone - does that mean all the gods of the dead he devoured went with him?

Teclis has always been a total dick - glad to see that continues.


Nagash isn't gone. His essence escaped through a Realm Gate. He's just going to do a Sauron for a while before he jumps up behind Teclis at the most inconvenient time. Same goes for Arkhan who will be back when Nagash pulls himself together.
   
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Teclis’ characterisation is particularly good in, erm, Teclis.

The arrogance of Elves comes across - along with a sense that it’s not at all come from complacency.

He strikes me more as “If I took the time to explain all of this to you in terms you could understand, let alone persuade you it’s the correct course of action, it would be too late”.

We know the Lumineth will level city and settlement to get their job done. And we can now reasonably say that job is pretty much essential to repair the damage Nagash caused (well, the Skaven that got squished caused, I suppose). And it’s certainly portrayed that it is a case of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few.

But he doesn’t seem conceited about it. He’s not telling anyone because the Realms need fixing now.

What the repercussions might be, who knows. I guess it depends on the proof being in the pudding, and how pragmatic the other Gods are willing to be about it.

There’s a lot of narrative leeway there, I trust you’ll agree. Certainly there’s no feeling that each book is locking a certain course at this point.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Teclis’ characterisation is particularly good in, erm, Teclis.

The arrogance of Elves comes across - along with a sense that it’s not at all come from complacency.

He strikes me more as “If I took the time to explain all of this to you in terms you could understand, let alone persuade you it’s the correct course of action, it would be too late”.

.


That went so well in the End Times .......

Are there any interactions between the older Mortarchs and the newer ones?

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 Mr Morden wrote:


If Nagash is truly gone - does that mean all the gods of the dead he devoured went with him?


Nagash will be back. I mean, there is a model to sell after all. Regarding the gods he devoured this might be an opportune time for GW to introduce more death factions with those gods leading these factions.

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I am excited for Belakor. and Nagash of course will be back, I assume he will come out with his own revamped death army, eventually as it looks like legions of nagash are essentially over and done with as most of their range is being split up. I am hoping we see more types of undead for each mortarchs.
   
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He strikes me more as “If I took the time to explain all of this to you in terms you could understand, let alone persuade you it’s the correct course of action, it would be too late”.

"The realms will turn into chaos jelly if we don't patch them up, I've checked all the options, no, it can't wait" there, done! That'll be fifty bazillion elven croissants in consultation.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
I am excited for Belakor. and Nagash of course will be back, I assume he will come out with his own revamped death army, eventually as it looks like legions of nagash are essentially over and done with as most of their range is being split up. I am hoping we see more types of undead for each mortarchs.


My impression was that Ossiarch Bonereapers was his pride and joy, the closest to a 'personal army' that Nagash could have. It's got all his design elements branded into the whole force.

Meanwhile, all the stuff left in Legions of Nagash is literally zombies and skeletons and vampires, all the stuff that's being baked into Soulblight Gravelords.

It's less that Legions of Nagash is being split up and more that it was being used as a hold-over until the rest of the Death faction could be fleshed out.
   
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Vampires are not (directly) the creation of Nagash and have always (with a very execeptions) served him with deep reluctance, looking to satisfy their own desires and ambitions. They also rely on the living for sustainance - another thing that puts them at odds with Nagash who desires a world that is populated by just the dead.

The Bonereapers do as they are told and serve his as he wishes to be served.

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