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Well. That was pretty cool.
   
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Can you advise us of the placement, number, but not the content, of the traditional credit stings?

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I will be watching this all weekend.


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One after credit scene, right at the end. I'll keep stum about most things.

Taskmaster fighting styles....
Spoiler:
Taskmaster (and that was a surprise) fighting styles:

Black Widow
Captain America
Hawkeye
Batroc the Leaper
Spider-man

and......

Huge Ackman!

Any others?

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MarkNorfolk wrote:
One after credit scene, right at the end. I'll keep stum about most things.

Taskmaster fighting styles....
Spoiler:
Taskmaster (and that was a surprise) fighting styles:

Black Widow
Captain America
Hawkeye
Batroc the Leaper
Spider-man

and......

Huge Ackman!

Any others?


I have not seen the movie but...

Spoiler:
In one of the trailers he looks like he is using Black Panther when he is fighting Red Guardian. The way his hands are look like Panther's claws out fighting style.


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 Lance845 wrote:
MarkNorfolk wrote:
One after credit scene, right at the end. I'll keep stum about most things.

Taskmaster fighting styles....
Spoiler:
Taskmaster (and that was a surprise) fighting styles:

Black Widow
Captain America
Hawkeye
Batroc the Leaper
Spider-man

and......

Huge Ackman!

Any others?


I have not seen the movie but...

Spoiler:
In one of the trailers he looks like he is using Black Panther when he is fighting Red Guardian. The way his hands are look like Panther's claws out fighting style.



Ah That makes more sense.
   
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Just watched it the now.

It’s good. Very good.

Spoiler:
Once again the House of Mouse has got lucky in terms of timing.

The global plague lockdown came at just the right time for Disney, as such unfortuity goes. They’d been able to get End Game done and dusted (heh), and of course Far From Home.

Then we had a wee bit of a break, because nobody could safely film anything. They returned to our screens this year on D+, to pretty widespread if not universal acclaim.

Then comes Black Widow. A film set earlier in the franchise, and one which doesn’t really build into any of the other films. But maybe that’s just what we needed to start the build up to an otherwise crazy year of release both cinema and tv.

I do mean they got lucky. Black Widow was announced and in production way before the Unpleasantness. Sure they’ll have had time to take stock and make changes, but having a largely unconnected movie ease us back in works.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just watched it the now.

It’s good. Very good.

Spoiler:
Once again the House of Mouse has got lucky in terms of timing.

The global plague lockdown came at just the right time for Disney, as such unfortuity goes. They’d been able to get End Game done and dusted (heh), and of course Far From Home.

Then we had a wee bit of a break, because nobody could safely film anything. They returned to our screens this year on D+, to pretty widespread if not universal acclaim.

Then comes Black Widow. A film set earlier in the franchise, and one which doesn’t really build into any of the other films. But maybe that’s just what we needed to start the build up to an otherwise crazy year of release both cinema and tv.

I do mean they got lucky. Black Widow was announced and in production way before the Unpleasantness. Sure they’ll have had time to take stock and make changes, but having a largely unconnected movie ease us back in works.


Spoiler:
I thought it was brilliant. A Jason Bourne-esque infiltration heist movie. But mainly lots of little things made it. The fact that the superpowers were kept to a minimum (Red Guardian was just a bruiser really), taking the mickey out of Natasha's hero pose, the pronunciation Budapest. Red Ledgers.

The fact that Taskmaster was a woman was a complete surprise to me. Rachel Weiss was great. Niggles? Ray's Russian accent and the fact that Natasha's guilty past was (like the Doctor's) rendered nice and happy. The base they stole form and blew up in the prologue was Hydra after all, and the little girl she sacrificed survived and was rescued. Still... it's a Disney movie. And I would've liked more of that Russian choral version of the Avengers theme that was in the trailer. Still, little stuff.

So what now? what happened to rescued Taskmaster. The plethora of ex-Widows? And is it a case of "Hello! I am Yelena Belova. You killed my sister! Prepare to die!"
   
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Well... that certainly was a movie.

But yeah... not great.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well... that certainly was a movie.

But yeah... not great.


Spoiler:
Yeah, gotta agree that they really wasted the Taskmaster character, it feels like they were rushing to get some kind of baddy that is somewhat recognizable but not too dangerous for BW to overcome and they just drew his name out the bag and threw the character in as a kind of silent killer even though that doesn't match the character background at all. Does Taskmaster even have a line at all during the movie? Frankly, if they didn't kill Crossbones off so early on, he would have been a better recurring villain for BW tbh.

Also, I think Red Guardian's portrayal is a bad sign of a continuing trend of the MCU when it comes to male characters fighting females. Similar to Thor Ragnarok, even the female villains can be never be portrayed as being straight up defeated by a man. Despite Thor getting his power-up, he still can't beat Hela 1v1, and has to resort to Surtur nuking Asgard to kill her. Similarly, Thanos can easily hold his own against Tony, Cap and Thor all at the same time, but he gets beat by Wanda, needing to be bailed out by orbital bombardment, and even with Captain Marvel, he's forced to resort to using the power stone to get her off. It's kind of annoying that you can immediately assume who gets the upper hand in fights like these because of an underlying empowerment message where the girls always have to win. You see it even in the TV series with the Dora Milaje manhandling all the guys in the room for Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I'm all for kickass female characters, but there's no tension in a fight if there's clearly no struggle for them when they fight a man.
   
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Spoiler:
Seems fairly obvious we’ll be seeing Yelena in Hawkeye when that debuts later this year.

Wonder if we might see Clint starting to form a Young Avengers type group, or it’ll be further setting up the Thunderbolts?

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Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh crud. It was… Rather mediocre in my opinion. Not like bad, but not terribly good. And I hate what they did with Taskmaster. And now people are gonna be all You only dislike it because it’s the girl led movie and that’s going to poison all discussion of it.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh crud. It was… Rather mediocre in my opinion. Not like bad, but not terribly good. And I hate what they did with Taskmaster. And now people are gonna be all You only dislike it because it’s the girl led movie and that’s going to poison all discussion of it.


I mean if the all-female Ghostbusters movie taught me anything, it's their default excuse to hide behind when their story decisions and acting performances aren't up to snuff. Nothing like attacking your audience to build up rave reviews!
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh crud. It was… Rather mediocre in my opinion. Not like bad, but not terribly good. And I hate what they did with Taskmaster. And now people are gonna be all You only dislike it because it’s the girl led movie and that’s going to poison all discussion of it.


I mean, you could just... not bring it up and focus on the problem areas of the actual film? Not much point in poisoning the path to the well if the poisoning the well is all you're going to talk about.


Anyway, I take it from the end credits scene that the take away from this movie is
Spoiler:
Replacement Widow is going to go fight Hawkeye and be another Black Widow he gets to redeem? Or is there more flesh on this outline?

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I saw it. I liked it. It's not the best the MCU has to offer (that is still Winter Soldier and Infinity War), but it's way better than Iron Man 3 and doesn't follow the basic Iron Man plot.

It fleshes out her character while fleshing out new characters and setting a stage for some things now in the world to come back later in other ways.

Spoiler:

I like what they did with Taskmaster. In the end she is still alive and that means we can get more character development from her now that she isn't a brainwashed mute.

In terms of the post credits. This is the second time we are seeing the Contessa, and this was actually supposed to be the first time we see her. So here is what I think she is doing. She's General Ross's Nick Fury building an Avengers for the UN/Sokovia Accords. We have the MCU shows introducing all these Young Avengers/Champions, but also have the Contessa employing a Black Widow and recruiting US Agent. It would be madness if this wasn't building up to something, right?

Are we going to get a Red Hulk in the She Hulk series? A return of Abomination being recruited by the Contessa?

In Armor Wars are we going to get a Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man?

They went back to move forward. I like the pieces they put in play. Excited to see where this stuff goes.


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Voss wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh crud. It was… Rather mediocre in my opinion. Not like bad, but not terribly good. And I hate what they did with Taskmaster. And now people are gonna be all You only dislike it because it’s the girl led movie and that’s going to poison all discussion of it.


I mean, you could just... not bring it up and focus on the problem areas of the actual film? Not much point in poisoning the path to the well if the poisoning the well is all you're going to talk about.


We could. In fact, we did just that when discussing the remade Ghostbusters and The Last Jedi. Notice how well that didn't work out.

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2/5

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 Vulcan wrote:
Voss wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh crud. It was… Rather mediocre in my opinion. Not like bad, but not terribly good. And I hate what they did with Taskmaster. And now people are gonna be all You only dislike it because it’s the girl led movie and that’s going to poison all discussion of it.


I mean, you could just... not bring it up and focus on the problem areas of the actual film? Not much point in poisoning the path to the well if the poisoning the well is all you're going to talk about.


We could. In fact, we did just that when discussing the remade Ghostbusters and The Last Jedi. Notice how well that didn't work out.


Well, preemptively making the conversation about that rather than the film is a sure fire way of going down the same path.

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 Lance845 wrote:
I saw it. I liked it. It's not the best the MCU has to offer (that is still Winter Soldier and Infinity War), but it's way better than Iron Man 3 and doesn't follow the basic Iron Man plot.

It fleshes out her character while fleshing out new characters and setting a stage for some things now in the world to come back later in other ways.

Spoiler:

I like what they did with Taskmaster. In the end she is still alive and that means we can get more character development from her now that she isn't a brainwashed mute.

In terms of the post credits. This is the second time we are seeing the Contessa, and this was actually supposed to be the first time we see her. So here is what I think she is doing. She's General Ross's Nick Fury building an Avengers for the UN/Sokovia Accords. We have the MCU shows introducing all these Young Avengers/Champions, but also have the Contessa employing a Black Widow and recruiting US Agent. It would be madness if this wasn't building up to something, right?

Are we going to get a Red Hulk in the She Hulk series? A return of Abomination being recruited by the Contessa?

In Armor Wars are we going to get a Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man?

They went back to move forward. I like the pieces they put in play. Excited to see where this stuff goes.


Abomination is in the Shang Chi trailer for what that’s worth.

 
   
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And Abomination is meant to appear in She-Hulk as well.

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I was really, really stoked for this and it just wasn't that good. HBMC nailed most of my issues with this film. It's a frustrating movie because there are some genuinely good ideas at work here, but it's buried under a lot of nonsense.

Spoiler:


Things I enjoyed: I really liked Yelena's character. She was easily my favourite part of the whole movie. She had good chemistry with Nat, they were believable sisters. All of the discussion in the cabin where we learn what an impact the pretend family had on Yelena in Ohio was great stuff. There was a strong chosen family theme going there that I thought was great.

Things I did not like: what a wasted opportunity to show some espionage and spy craft. There's some insanely over the top set pieces strung together that really don't do much of anything for the story they were telling. Perfect example is the breakout of Red Guardian. Sneaking the ear piece into the prison was great, totally thought we were gonna get like an Ocean's 11 style prison escape but no, it quickly spins into this insane, overly long action sequence where they kill like a thousand people to get him out. It didn't need to be that long. The way they got him out wasn't relevant to the rest of film.

I thought it was super weird that Drakov (sp?) was telling Nat everything about his super secret plans toward the end there. The whole time he's talking I couldn't help but think why the hell is he saying all of this to her? It would have been really cool if she manipulated him into revealing what was going on, but no. She doesn't have to. He just spills the beans.

The '2 weeks later' at the end papered over a lot, holy crap. Ross has like a hundred guys with him on the way to Nat's location. How on earth did she get away?

I'm of 2 minds when it comes to Taskmaster's portrayal in this film. On the one hand I think it's a cop out that Nat gets to be absolved of killing a little girl, but on the other I think it's really interesting that Nat inadvertently created a monster in the process. I guess the jury is out on this one for me.



Overall, it gets a 6/10 for me.
   
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1/6 for my part, less than good acting, considering who is in this film. The Marvel films have never been anything to measure talent by, but this made me almost fall asleep about halfway through it.
This is a shame but expected

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Good points.

Really good fight scenes in the main, absolutely evocative of the Bourne films, real kinetic energy and impacts I could feel.

That's maybe it?

A poor MCU film is still normally a pretty solid film, and this is no exception, but it felt like the most interesting parts were the bits of the story it didn't tell, was flabby around the middle and if the Taskmaster reveal was supposed to be a surprise it failed as I suspected it from the flashback.

The bridge fight and the escape from the Widows were highlights though, and some of the trademark MCU quips did actually make me chuckle.

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On a general note….

Competently shot “you can actually see what’s happening” fight scenes need more praise.

We’ve seen Marvel get it right, where the fights feel fast and real, but aren’t overly busy to the point you can’t notice the choereography. Even WB’s MonsterVerse has done the same, getting across the scale of the combatants, without reducing the action to a blur of dodgy CGI (compare that directly with the Transformer’s movies).

More of that, please Mr Hollywood Sir.

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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was really, really stoked for this and it just wasn't that good. HBMC nailed most of my issues with this film. It's a frustrating movie because there are some genuinely good ideas at work here, but it's buried under a lot of nonsense.

Spoiler:


Things I enjoyed: I really liked Yelena's character. She was easily my favourite part of the whole movie. She had good chemistry with Nat, they were believable sisters. All of the discussion in the cabin where we learn what an impact the pretend family had on Yelena in Ohio was great stuff. There was a strong chosen family theme going there that I thought was great.

Things I did not like: what a wasted opportunity to show some espionage and spy craft. There's some insanely over the top set pieces strung together that really don't do much of anything for the story they were telling. Perfect example is the breakout of Red Guardian. Sneaking the ear piece into the prison was great, totally thought we were gonna get like an Ocean's 11 style prison escape but no, it quickly spins into this insane, overly long action sequence where they kill like a thousand people to get him out. It didn't need to be that long. The way they got him out wasn't relevant to the rest of film.

I thought it was super weird that Drakov (sp?) was telling Nat everything about his super secret plans toward the end there. The whole time he's talking I couldn't help but think why the hell is he saying all of this to her? It would have been really cool if she manipulated him into revealing what was going on, but no. She doesn't have to. He just spills the beans.

The '2 weeks later' at the end papered over a lot, holy crap. Ross has like a hundred guys with him on the way to Nat's location. How on earth did she get away?

I'm of 2 minds when it comes to Taskmaster's portrayal in this film. On the one hand I think it's a cop out that Nat gets to be absolved of killing a little girl, but on the other I think it's really interesting that Nat inadvertently created a monster in the process. I guess the jury is out on this one for me.



Overall, it gets a 6/10 for me.


Spoiler:
She DOES manipulate him into telling her everything. In exactly the same way we have seen her do it in other movies. In the same way she goads Loki. In the same way she goads the general. She plays a part and lets people do all the hard work themselves. Act weak, say the right couple words at the right time, and people can't help but start to spill the beans.


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 Lance845 wrote:
 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was really, really stoked for this and it just wasn't that good. HBMC nailed most of my issues with this film. It's a frustrating movie because there are some genuinely good ideas at work here, but it's buried under a lot of nonsense.

Spoiler:


Things I enjoyed: I really liked Yelena's character. She was easily my favourite part of the whole movie. She had good chemistry with Nat, they were believable sisters. All of the discussion in the cabin where we learn what an impact the pretend family had on Yelena in Ohio was great stuff. There was a strong chosen family theme going there that I thought was great.

Things I did not like: what a wasted opportunity to show some espionage and spy craft. There's some insanely over the top set pieces strung together that really don't do much of anything for the story they were telling. Perfect example is the breakout of Red Guardian. Sneaking the ear piece into the prison was great, totally thought we were gonna get like an Ocean's 11 style prison escape but no, it quickly spins into this insane, overly long action sequence where they kill like a thousand people to get him out. It didn't need to be that long. The way they got him out wasn't relevant to the rest of film.

I thought it was super weird that Drakov (sp?) was telling Nat everything about his super secret plans toward the end there. The whole time he's talking I couldn't help but think why the hell is he saying all of this to her? It would have been really cool if she manipulated him into revealing what was going on, but no. She doesn't have to. He just spills the beans.

The '2 weeks later' at the end papered over a lot, holy crap. Ross has like a hundred guys with him on the way to Nat's location. How on earth did she get away?

I'm of 2 minds when it comes to Taskmaster's portrayal in this film. On the one hand I think it's a cop out that Nat gets to be absolved of killing a little girl, but on the other I think it's really interesting that Nat inadvertently created a monster in the process. I guess the jury is out on this one for me.



Overall, it gets a 6/10 for me.


Spoiler:
She DOES manipulate him into telling her everything. In exactly the same way we have seen her do it in other movies. In the same way she goads Loki. In the same way she goads the general. She plays a part and lets people do all the hard work themselves. Act weak, say the right couple words at the right time, and people can't help but start to spill the beans.


Yeah I'm gonna agree with Lance here, it was pretty obvious that this was a classic "Natasha interrogation" Feign weakness, and let the "ohh so smart man" monologue at her. I mean christ she even ends it with "thank you for your cooperation"

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But it was pleasing to see it, as that is her job and her super power.

Other than exceptional HTH skills, BW tricking the baddie into a monologue is what she does.

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Not gonna make a long post about it, long story short this was a waste of most of the characters involved, poor pacing, ok fight scenes and dull story.

Shame as I wanted to like this movie as BW is a solid character, this movie is 5/6 years too late.
   
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As for the ending.

Spoiler:
We know the other rogue Avengers weren’t on The Raft for a terribly long time. Certainly Scott Lang was doing House Arrest not long after.

It could be Natasha handing herself in, having more or less single handedly brought down a serious threat to global security played its part in that. Showing that even when “rogue”, they get the job done with a minimum of collateral damage, as such things go.

As for the other Widows and Taskmaster? Let’s face it, someone is going to recruit them. They’re too useful a resource to just leave farting in the wind.

I’m expecting chunks of this to be revisited in Hawkeye, and in potentially more than one season.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
 creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was really, really stoked for this and it just wasn't that good. HBMC nailed most of my issues with this film. It's a frustrating movie because there are some genuinely good ideas at work here, but it's buried under a lot of nonsense.

Spoiler:


Things I enjoyed: I really liked Yelena's character. She was easily my favourite part of the whole movie. She had good chemistry with Nat, they were believable sisters. All of the discussion in the cabin where we learn what an impact the pretend family had on Yelena in Ohio was great stuff. There was a strong chosen family theme going there that I thought was great.

Things I did not like: what a wasted opportunity to show some espionage and spy craft. There's some insanely over the top set pieces strung together that really don't do much of anything for the story they were telling. Perfect example is the breakout of Red Guardian. Sneaking the ear piece into the prison was great, totally thought we were gonna get like an Ocean's 11 style prison escape but no, it quickly spins into this insane, overly long action sequence where they kill like a thousand people to get him out. It didn't need to be that long. The way they got him out wasn't relevant to the rest of film.

I thought it was super weird that Drakov (sp?) was telling Nat everything about his super secret plans toward the end there. The whole time he's talking I couldn't help but think why the hell is he saying all of this to her? It would have been really cool if she manipulated him into revealing what was going on, but no. She doesn't have to. He just spills the beans.

The '2 weeks later' at the end papered over a lot, holy crap. Ross has like a hundred guys with him on the way to Nat's location. How on earth did she get away?

I'm of 2 minds when it comes to Taskmaster's portrayal in this film. On the one hand I think it's a cop out that Nat gets to be absolved of killing a little girl, but on the other I think it's really interesting that Nat inadvertently created a monster in the process. I guess the jury is out on this one for me.



Overall, it gets a 6/10 for me.


Spoiler:
She DOES manipulate him into telling her everything. In exactly the same way we have seen her do it in other movies. In the same way she goads Loki. In the same way she goads the general. She plays a part and lets people do all the hard work themselves. Act weak, say the right couple words at the right time, and people can't help but start to spill the beans.


Yeah I'm gonna agree with Lance here, it was pretty obvious that this was a classic "Natasha interrogation" Feign weakness, and let the "ohh so smart man" monologue at her. I mean christ she even ends it with "thank you for your cooperation"


You guys don't think it's done way too easily? The guy ran the red room that trains Nat how to do everything she does, you'd think it would take wayyyy more subterfuge and effort to get him to explain everything. It just doesn't feel earned. How the hell did this guy get to his position if he's so easily duped?
   
 
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