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With the mercenary company being the Sons of the Lichemaster, could it be Heinrich Kemmler or do you think they'd want to avoid someone who's name was intentionally made to be similar to a nazi?

The bone tithe make me think tomb kings, some of there range would really work well in AOS the older rank and file stuff could be made more up-to-date, but the sphinx and the serpenty dudes that were released last could easily fit Aos

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm leaning towards Vlad.

Yeah. Dunno how much attention GW pays to this kind of advertising, but that accent was pure Hollywood Transylvania. Perfect for Vlad.

Somehow the music and accent of the bone thith teaser makes me more thinking of an Eastern inspired faction than of an Egyptian one. It would also fit with ogers, which Armee to be connected to the story as well

It sounds more eastern, however at the same time nothing would stop GW using many of the old Egyptian themed large models for any kind of realm army of bones. I don't think we'll see Settra nor "tome kings" but I think and hope we'll see those newer kits they had remade into a new army. And if not then we'll get a big skeleton army that is similar in concept but different in style etc....

Whatever it comes as its a good tease - come back in 2 months for more info!

 Overread wrote:

Whatever it comes as its a good tease - come back in 2 months for more info!

Anyone got a time machine?

More on point, if tomb kings returned they could focus solely on the constructs and maybe add an terracotta type infantry. This would differentiate them from the ghost and skeletons while still being part of "death" (I imagine the constructs being powered by martial souls like the old tomb kings).

In the video he says he survived the fall of the Storm God's hammer, so Sigmar isn't a fan of him. Then he says he tore his way free from the Soulfiend's prison. I believe this to mean he escaped Nagash during the Necroquake. So I don't believe it's an ORDER or DEATH faction. That leaves DESTRUCTION or CHAOS.

I hear a lot of people saying it sounds Asian or Egyptian, but everything in this video makes me think of something Norse or Scandinavian. The voice, the music, the background that almost looks like it has an aurora borealis going on.

My personal opinion/hope, I think it's Wulfrik the Wanderer, and I think it'll be Chaos Marauders. He says his lord (Archaon?) has gathered an army for him to lead.
Right now isn't Warcry showing us Archaon gathering worthy followers in the Eightpoints. Perhaps an army of marauders to savage the Mortal Realms yet again?

I think it's a stretch, but it's possible, and damn it would be cool.

The quote is "Soulthief"...which is how Nagash refers to Sigmar.

This is literally picking up from where Forbidden Power ended. There's a thing that was in a Stormvault that had to be smote by Sigmar himself to get put in its place.

 Overread wrote:
It sounds more eastern, however at the same time nothing would stop GW using many of the old Egyptian themed large models for any kind of realm army of bones. I don't think we'll see Settra nor "tome kings" but I think and hope we'll see those newer kits they had remade into a new army. And if not then we'll get a big skeleton army that is similar in concept but different in style etc....

Honestly I don't want to see them make that mistake again. Stylistic differences don't carry an army well, and there are already multiple undead armies again (and subfactions).
Any sort of craziness can crawl out of that tomb, it doesn't need to be a rehash of a failed product line.

Remember when the Nighthaunt were released and GW said they had used the Banshee and Cairn wraith as there inspiration? How about a faction spun out from the Morghasts?

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It sounds more eastern, however at the same time nothing would stop GW using many of the old Egyptian themed large models for any kind of realm army of bones. I don't think we'll see Settra nor "tome kings" but I think and hope we'll see those newer kits they had remade into a new army. And if not then we'll get a big skeleton army that is similar in concept but different in style etc....

Honestly I don't want to see them make that mistake again. Stylistic differences don't carry an army well, and there are already multiple undead armies again (and subfactions).
Any sort of craziness can crawl out of that tomb, it doesn't need to be a rehash of a failed product line.

Thing is Tomb Kings are only failed because of what GW did in part. Having rules worse than the other undead faction in the game; being ignored for a long while and being part of a game system that was ignored and suffering failing sales. TK as a design concept aren't bad, they just fell into a very bad rut. Plus we've no idea what kinds of internal politics were going on within GW at the time which could have played a merry mess of any of our outside impressions and that's before we even consider that there might well have been multiple avenues of drama attached to multiple situations.

Heck I believe one answer we've semi-formally heard that gets passed around is that GW forgot to add them which is kind of weak when you consider how easy it would be add them to a game system that wasn't even attempting to be serious let alone balanced. Though it might suggest no one in design teams "cared" about them enough to push them forward. Much like how GW shelved Squats years back because their design couldn't find a love for them, not an easy way to fit them into a slightly more serious 40K franchise.


When you consider things like The Mummy film franchise, the years of DnD with mummins in coffins, etc.... I refuse to believe that the concept of an undead army from Egypt is a failed idea in itself.




That said its very unlikely we'd get TK back like that; I think many would be happy to see many of the model concepts return and the core ideas of the army even if they jumped to Mongolia or Japan or China as their source mythologies.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Regarding the Ogors, I have a feeling they will start off with a battle box including the new hero. Maybe facing Deathrattle? Otherwise why not just announce their book along with the other two?

Likely because the other two are coming out soone, and together. Or a week apart etc.

This could be further down so I don’t think that means anything.

However, it could well be a new box. Not a bad shout, just not for those reasons necessarily.


Though I would also say maybe that’s the reason they Did show those two together.
A new box with these two, each with a new character, then the books to follow or precursor to.
Wouldn’t be the first time for that would it..

 Pheonix Lord Asurmen wrote:
In the video he says he survived the fall of the Storm God's hammer, so Sigmar isn't a fan of him. Then he says he tore his way free from the Soulfiend's prison. I believe this to mean he escaped Nagash during the Necroquake. So I don't believe it's an ORDER or DEATH faction. That leaves DESTRUCTION or CHAOS.

I hear a lot of people saying it sounds Asian or Egyptian, but everything in this video makes me think of something Norse or Scandinavian. The voice, the music, the background that almost looks like it has an aurora borealis going on.

My personal opinion/hope, I think it's Wulfrik the Wanderer, and I think it'll be Chaos Marauders. He says his lord (Archaon?) has gathered an army for him to lead.
Right now isn't Warcry showing us Archaon gathering worthy followers in the Eightpoints. Perhaps an army of marauders to savage the Mortal Realms yet again?

I think it's a stretch, but it's possible, and damn it would be cool.

The instrument is a sitar, an Indian instrument. So this army very well could take influences from South Asia.
I’m hoping a reimagined Barrow Kings, based off the old WD article that featured Barrow Kings that included statues, constructs, mummies & of course skeletons

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Regarding the Ogors, I have a feeling they will start off with a battle box including the new hero. Maybe facing Deathrattle? Otherwise why not just announce their book along with the other two?

Oo, that's a good point. Looking forward to seeing what they announce now.

Could possibly be Dieter Helsnitch returning in some form, he was pretty loyal to Nagash during the End Times, though I really am hoping for more than just skeletons with this faction, more constructs in the style of the Morghasts would be incredible.

How about non-human skeletons? Let's get some 4+ save undead duardin, undead gargants as monsters, etc.

VC made it into AoS (with a proper battletome I mean), one of my biggest Fantasy armies, but they are all magnetised on trays and just isn’t viable for me.

Ogres and Empire. My two other armies. This could be the use of them finally that I wanted to get into AoS. Beastclaw just wasn’t my models so didn’t do it for me, but this Ogre tome could be it.. love that new character too..

Cities of Sigmar, it really will depend how much ports over, love the idea of it though.

Either way, it would be a lot of rebasing for me, but it could be swaying me..

dogfender wrote:


The instrument is a sitar, an Indian instrument. So this army very well could take influences from South Asia.
I’m hoping a reimagined Barrow Kings, based off the old WD article that featured Barrow Kings that included statues, constructs, mummies & of course skeletons

This would he soooooooo cool.

 Overread wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It sounds more eastern, however at the same time nothing would stop GW using many of the old Egyptian themed large models for any kind of realm army of bones. I don't think we'll see Settra nor "tome kings" but I think and hope we'll see those newer kits they had remade into a new army. And if not then we'll get a big skeleton army that is similar in concept but different in style etc....

Honestly I don't want to see them make that mistake again. Stylistic differences don't carry an army well, and there are already multiple undead armies again (and subfactions).
Any sort of craziness can crawl out of that tomb, it doesn't need to be a rehash of a failed product line.

Thing is Tomb Kings are only failed because of what GW did in part. Having rules worse than the other undead faction in the game; being ignored for a long while and being part of a game system that was ignored and suffering failing sales. TK as a design concept aren't bad, they just fell into a very bad rut. Plus we've no idea what kinds of internal politics were going on within GW at the time which could have played a merry mess of any of our outside impressions and that's before we even consider that there might well have been multiple avenues of drama attached to multiple situations.

Heck I believe one answer we've semi-formally heard that gets passed around is that GW forgot to add them which is kind of weak when you consider how easy it would be add them to a game system that wasn't even attempting to be serious let alone balanced. Though it might suggest no one in design teams "cared" about them enough to push them forward. Much like how GW shelved Squats years back because their design couldn't find a love for them, not an easy way to fit them into a slightly more serious 40K franchise.


When you consider things like The Mummy film franchise, the years of DnD with mummins in coffins, etc.... I refuse to believe that the concept of an undead army from Egypt is a failed idea in itself.

And yet, none of that is reassuring or any reason to try again.
If they didn't care and didn't bother before, what magical reason would they have to do so now?

The Mummy film franchise died a horrible death and suffered from an even worse attempt at resurrection. That ship sailed and wrecked worse than the Titanic- it definitely isn't a reason for GW to bring it back.

Though to be honest, the major failing of the TK line was splitting up the Undead line in the first place- that's what I really don't want to see again, even though personally I think its already too fractured (and FEC are a really terrible concept, and they've opted to leave that army faction rather undeveloped). Especially given that the TK were largely just copies of Undead (then VC) units, it wasn't worth doing in the first place, and led to way too much emphasis on Vampires over Necromancers for far, far too long.

That said its very unlikely we'd get TK back like that; I think many would be happy to see many of the model concepts return and the core ideas of the army even if they jumped to Mongolia or Japan or China as their source mythologies.

I'm unclear on what you mean, as that seems completely incompatible. . The army's concepts and core ideas are literally to be pseudo Egyptian, and in particular chase the (then new) Mummy movie audience. Those trappings don't jump to Mongolia or China or Japan. And nothing in the video short or a 'returning' character points to those cultures either.

I get that you might want to see it, but it seems like wishful thinking and nothing more. Certainly nothing solid enough for GW to build an army release on.

I don’t think FEC are a terrible concept. On the contrary, I find the whole idea of them to actually be quite cool. It’s just that the rules designers went on some sort of cocaine binge while designing them and threw all sense of balance out the window.

FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Yeah, FEC has very cool concept but not nearly enough models to toy around with it.

Will this have something to do with the new death faction?

zamerion wrote:


Will this have something to do with the new death faction?

I think it is something related to Underworld.

zamerion wrote:


Will this have something to do with the new death faction?

Nope. It's the 'sigil' for Beastgrave, the new Underworlds setting.

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It sounds more eastern, however at the same time nothing would stop GW using many of the old Egyptian themed large models for any kind of realm army of bones. I don't think we'll see Settra nor "tome kings" but I think and hope we'll see those newer kits they had remade into a new army. And if not then we'll get a big skeleton army that is similar in concept but different in style etc....

Honestly I don't want to see them make that mistake again. Stylistic differences don't carry an army well, and there are already multiple undead armies again (and subfactions).
Any sort of craziness can crawl out of that tomb, it doesn't need to be a rehash of a failed product line.

Thing is Tomb Kings are only failed because of what GW did in part. Having rules worse than the other undead faction in the game; being ignored for a long while and being part of a game system that was ignored and suffering failing sales. TK as a design concept aren't bad, they just fell into a very bad rut. Plus we've no idea what kinds of internal politics were going on within GW at the time which could have played a merry mess of any of our outside impressions and that's before we even consider that there might well have been multiple avenues of drama attached to multiple situations.

Heck I believe one answer we've semi-formally heard that gets passed around is that GW forgot to add them which is kind of weak when you consider how easy it would be add them to a game system that wasn't even attempting to be serious let alone balanced. Though it might suggest no one in design teams "cared" about them enough to push them forward. Much like how GW shelved Squats years back because their design couldn't find a love for them, not an easy way to fit them into a slightly more serious 40K franchise.


When you consider things like The Mummy film franchise, the years of DnD with mummins in coffins, etc.... I refuse to believe that the concept of an undead army from Egypt is a failed idea in itself.

And yet, none of that is reassuring or any reason to try again.
If they didn't care and didn't bother before, what magical reason would they have to do so now?

The Mummy film franchise died a horrible death and suffered from an even worse attempt at resurrection. That ship sailed and wrecked worse than the Titanic- it definitely isn't a reason for GW to bring it back.

Though to be honest, the major failing of the TK line was splitting up the Undead line in the first place- that's what I really don't want to see again, even though personally I think its already too fractured (and FEC are a really terrible concept, and they've opted to leave that army faction rather undeveloped). Especially given that the TK were largely just copies of Undead (then VC) units, it wasn't worth doing in the first place, and led to way too much emphasis on Vampires over Necromancers for far, far too long.

That said its very unlikely we'd get TK back like that; I think many would be happy to see many of the model concepts return and the core ideas of the army even if they jumped to Mongolia or Japan or China as their source mythologies.

I'm unclear on what you mean, as that seems completely incompatible. . The army's concepts and core ideas are literally to be pseudo Egyptian, and in particular chase the (then new) Mummy movie audience. Those trappings don't jump to Mongolia or China or Japan. And nothing in the video short or a 'returning' character points to those cultures either.

I get that you might want to see it, but it seems like wishful thinking and nothing more. Certainly nothing solid enough for GW to build an army release on.

The only reason needed: look at how f****** bananas everyone went over Tomb kings in Total war Warhammer 2. I get that you want a return to the old undead of 4th edition. I started with that book and I like that book.

But the split caused quite a good differentiation in the lore compared to other similar fantasy series.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Arkhan has always been a Liche?

Not quite - he was an immortal and smitten with Neferata who he helped create as the first Vampire.

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arkhan_in_the_World-That-Was

I thought the accent was east European and music was far eastern

Although the "soulthief" puts me in mind of Dracenfels.

 lord marcus wrote:


The only reason needed: look at how f****** bananas everyone went over Tomb kings in Total war Warhammer 2. I get that you want a return to the old undead of 4th edition. I started with that book and I like that book.

But the split caused quite a good differentiation in the lore compared to other similar fantasy series.

Yes. Movie Egyptians vs generic vampire bloodlines (fighty guys, magic guys, ugly guys, lady guys, Dracula guys). Such fantastic differentiation.

As far as Warhammer 2 goes, they got to tap into vocal bitterness, and provided an army that played differently, wasn't saddled with the vortex campaign and was fairly overpowered at launch. Of course they were popular.

FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Well, models are part of the problem. A mental break that so complete that they can't differentiate 'I'm riding my noble steed' from 'oh, no, I'm actually running myself' is so total as to make the person completely nonfunctional. Same in combat- if you think you're swinging a sword and blocking with a shield and relying on armor when you're actually completely naked and trying to claw and bite someone, that just means you're easily killed.

If they tossed out the weird mutant ork that they've passed off as ghouls and actually made decayed and ghoulish knight models? I'd be far more on board with it.

I am here simply to say that the Ogor is incredible. If they could bring out an entire army with this aesthetic I'd be all over it. Even better - a Warhammer Underworld's warband with this guy in it and his similarly-styled friends.

 Overread wrote:
FEC are a fantastic concept, I just think GW didn't have time to give them more models and so went a bit overboard with trying to power them up. What they really need are more models that start to play with their mad impressions of themselves.

Are they really a great concept? They’re just HG Wells’ Morlocks.