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**VoidAngel**

Good fluff is as important. Not more important, not less important. He does write good rules - but the fluff should be treated respectfully. Mr. Ward...seems not to have quite grasped this.

You may not care, but to many players the fluff is the cloth to which all the rules are pinned. Without it...you get a pile of directions about as fun to play as a recipe is to eat.

**Bylak**

Wraith are being re-done? That's unfortunate, I liked the Wraith models =\

Actually I guess they WOULD be re-done in some form wouldn't they if GW is moving away from metals.

**Scarey Nerd**

Bylak wrote:Wraith are being re-done? That's unfortunate, I liked the Wraith models =\

Actually I guess they WOULD be re-done in some form wouldn't they if GW is moving away from metals.

I was never a fan of the current models, the weaponry looks a bit too clunky imho, and i don't like that clavicle around the neck that they have, the bit that always gets painted gold in display pictures in the codex.

**Bylak**

I'd agree with you that the overall quality of the model could be improved, but I wouldn't want them to deviate too much from the overall "look" that the Wraith have right now.

**Scarey Nerd**

Bylak wrote:I'd agree with you that the overall quality of the model could be improved, but I wouldn't want them to deviate too much from the overall "look" that the Wraith have right now.

I suppose. As long as they're made more intimidating, I'll be fine with them.

**asimo77**

I think the look of most of the models are pretty much fine as is. Necrons are very well realized. I just want to be able to buy most of these models in multiples rather than 1 for 15 bucks. Of course plastic is nice too, so long as they don't change the look too much.

**FlammingGaunt**

Sasori wrote:Ward writes good rules, which is what is important.

I personally think they just let the Black Library authors, write all the fluff anyway. They've got to have them on retainer, or something anyway.

Ya but you see that would make sense.

**Ascalam**

The only models I would really want redone are the immortals and flayed ones being redone in plastic, and maybe the heavy destroyer being made an all-plastic kit. A plastic Tomb Spyder would cheer me up no end also, as the metal ones are a bear to assemble and glue, and the mold job isn't the finest on the legs.

As the rumors lean this way i'm a fairly happy camper if they turn out to be true.

Some new units would be nice also, as long as they fit the current look reasonably well.

**Scarey Nerd**

I'd be happy for Avatars of the C'Tan, some artillery and MAYBE a new vehicle. I wouldn't be happy with any sniper units, though, I don't think they fit the fluff too well. I hope Tomb Stalker becomes part of the new codex, and that teleportation becomes a more active part of the army.

OT: What's the latest?

**Grim.Badger**

asimo77 wrote:
Grim.Badger wrote:
TheDevo wrote:
SabrX wrote:And a Stormraven.

Don't forget Necrohammers, Necroshields, Necrofists and Necronoughts.

Aaaah Ward-Hate - We should do a pools draw for how many unit and wargear names start with Necro-???? I bet 12!
Or maybe it'll be ???? of Death or something else just as cheesey

Flayers disease sounds like a Wardism, although I accept that it's from the BL - why can't they enjoy draping flayed corpses over themselves, why does it have to be so "tragic" and Emo?

How is this tragic and emo? People use the word emo so much (and usually incorrectly) it has lost all meaning.

Because it's all "Booh hoo, I miss my body sooo much *sulk* I'm going to drape my victims over me so that I can feel a little bit more alive again *sob*"
Rather than "Ahahahaha! I hate you all so much, first I'm going to skin you alive, then I'll drape your blood soaked carcass over me so that just before I do the same to your friends they **** themselves! Ahahahaha!"

Plastic Immortals would be my favourite, and from the rumours they will be in the first wave

**Praxiss**

Well i am only a few chapters into Fall of Damnos but if the fluff/rules/units in that will translate into the new codex:

Spoiler:

There is a few bits of fluff in there as wel which is nice but it may have no bearing on the codex at all so i wont list it here unless people specifically request it.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

If I had a quid for every time I heard that necrons were coming out this summer then I'd probably have £17 by now!
Necrons be damned! It's bretonians I'm after. No book since sixth!

**Azure**

Praxiss wrote:Well i am only a few chapters into Fall of Damnos but if the fluff/rules/units in that will translate into the new codex:

Spoiler:

Necrons (at least anything above Spyders/scarabs/warriors) are self aware to some degree.

All the existing units seem to be in attendance. Immortals at least are still classed as Elites.

Necrons may have a piece of wargear/upgrade that will allow a short range teleport without the benefit of a Monolith. Its called a Phasal Teleport in the book and is descibed as allowing warriors to appear as if from thin air behind the enemy lines

There will be an "Alpha Monolith". so far this has only been mentioned in the book once as a bigger monolith in a formation with 3 normal 'liths. It is descibed as having energy links between them all allowing them to converge fire or something

Different levels of Lords are here. So far the book featues:
Herald of Dismay (Lord that awakens first and sens demoralizing messages to the enemy force which also has th3e effect of causing such dispair that some of the enemy just shoot themselves upon seeing it.
Sahtah the Enfleshed (Flayer Lord)
Undying (some sort of upper echelon Lord)
The Architect (above the Undying)

Necron Artillary is coming. The book lists the Necrons using Pylons and a "Gauss Obliterator" to both bombard ground forces and attack ships in orbit. They are definately noted as two distinct weapons (at first i though the Obliterator was the beam the pylon shot)

There is a few bits of fluff in there as wel which is nice but it may have no bearing on the codex at all so i wont list it here unless people specifically request it.

You've got things abit backwards, but you'll see that as you get into the book.

Spoiler:

**AlexHolker**

Grim.Badger wrote:Because it's all "Booh hoo, I miss my body sooo much *sulk* I'm going to drape my victims over me so that I can feel a little bit more alive again *sob*"
Rather than "Ahahahaha! I hate you all so much, first I'm going to skin you alive, then I'll drape your blood soaked carcass over me so that just before I do the same to your friends they **** themselves! Ahahahaha!"

You're missing the forest for the trees. What you are neglecting is that this is a psychotic serial killer that thinks wearing someone's face like a hat makes them more like a normal person.

**Alpharius**

VoidAngel wrote:Good fluff is as important. Not more important, not less important. He does write good rules - but the fluff should be treated respectfully. Mr. Ward...seems not to have quite grasped this.

You may not care, but to many players the fluff is the cloth to which all the rules are pinned. Without it...you get a pile of directions about as fun to play as a recipe is to eat.

Well said!

In fact, VERY well said!

**Uriels_Flame**

Ascalam wrote: A plastic Tomb Spyder would cheer me up no end also, as the metal ones are a bear to assemble and glue, and the mold job isn't the finest on the legs.

I really don't understand why this hasn't happened - as the Spyder shares the same platform as the destroyer.

Seems like a simple fix to me.

**Grim.Badger**

AlexHolker wrote:
Grim.Badger wrote:Because it's all "Booh hoo, I miss my body sooo much *sulk* I'm going to drape my victims over me so that I can feel a little bit more alive again *sob*"
Rather than "Ahahahaha! I hate you all so much, first I'm going to skin you alive, then I'll drape your blood soaked carcass over me so that just before I do the same to your friends they **** themselves! Ahahahaha!"

You're missing the forest for the trees. What you are neglecting is that this is a psychotic serial killer that thinks wearing someone's face like a hat makes them more like a normal person.

No, I get that, I just think that's rather Cliche and Twilighty - no-one is allowed to be a simple nutjob nowadays, they have to want to be "normal" - imo it's much more frightening to think that they just do it for the fun of it.

**asimo77**

AlexHolker wrote:
Grim.Badger wrote:Because it's all "Booh hoo, I miss my body sooo much *sulk* I'm going to drape my victims over me so that I can feel a little bit more alive again *sob*"
Rather than "Ahahahaha! I hate you all so much, first I'm going to skin you alive, then I'll drape your blood soaked carcass over me so that just before I do the same to your friends they **** themselves! Ahahahaha!"

You're missing the forest for the trees. What you are neglecting is that this is a psychotic serial killer that thinks wearing someone's face like a hat makes them more like a normal person.

When your physical body has been entombed in a metal shell for millions of years and you have never been able to experience any sort of pleasure for countless millennia, you are allowed to be depressed and cynical. If you weren't you'd be a boring character (in most cases). "Emos" are whiny and depressed for no reason, even when their lives are fine. People really need to stop using a the word "emo" everywhere, it's almost as bad as "gay"'s overuse.

**Ascalam**

Uriels_Flame wrote:
Ascalam wrote: A plastic Tomb Spyder would cheer me up no end also, as the metal ones are a bear to assemble and glue, and the mold job isn't the finest on the legs.

I really don't understand why this hasn't happened - as the Spyder shares the same platform as the destroyer.

Seems like a simple fix to me.

Because Necrons have been hidden behind the stuff that's on the back burner for a decade

They've been hanging with the Squats and looking into real estate prices where they live now.

It's a simple enough fix (and I've seen some nice Spyder conversions that used the Destroyer as a base) but no-one has cared much about Necrons at the Studio for a long time, hence no new models.

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Grim.Badger wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Grim.Badger wrote:Because it's all "Booh hoo, I miss my body sooo much *sulk* I'm going to drape my victims over me so that I can feel a little bit more alive again *sob*"
Rather than "Ahahahaha! I hate you all so much, first I'm going to skin you alive, then I'll drape your blood soaked carcass over me so that just before I do the same to your friends they **** themselves! Ahahahaha!"

You're missing the forest for the trees. What you are neglecting is that this is a psychotic serial killer that thinks wearing someone's face like a hat makes them more like a normal person.

No, I get that, I just think that's rather Cliche and Twilighty - no-one is allowed to be a simple nutjob nowadays, they have to want to be "normal" - imo it's much more frightening to think that they just do it for the fun of it.

I liked the fluff in the original codex (or at least I interpreted it this way) that the Necrons don't feel fear, but understand that other races do, and have done some research into what most races will find creepy

I rather like the idea of the Flayed Ones being utterly emotionless, clinical killers, that wear skins because the 'market research' told them that this is the best psychological terror tactic to use, as well as being an effective infiltration tool if used after dark (details are far harder to make out in the gloom, and Necron attacks go well with nightfall for me

).

**Praxiss**

Azure wrote:
Praxiss wrote:Well i am only a few chapters into Fall of Damnos but if the fluff/rules/units in that will translate into the new codex:

Spoiler:

Necrons (at least anything above Spyders/scarabs/warriors) are self aware to some degree.

All the existing units seem to be in attendance. Immortals at least are still classed as Elites.

Necrons may have a piece of wargear/upgrade that will allow a short range teleport without the benefit of a Monolith. Its called a Phasal Teleport in the book and is descibed as allowing warriors to appear as if from thin air behind the enemy lines

There will be an "Alpha Monolith". so far this has only been mentioned in the book once as a bigger monolith in a formation with 3 normal 'liths. It is descibed as having energy links between them all allowing them to converge fire or something

Different levels of Lords are here. So far the book featues:
Herald of Dismay (Lord that awakens first and sens demoralizing messages to the enemy force which also has th3e effect of causing such dispair that some of the enemy just shoot themselves upon seeing it.
Sahtah the Enfleshed (Flayer Lord)
Undying (some sort of upper echelon Lord)
The Architect (above the Undying)

Necron Artillary is coming. The book lists the Necrons using Pylons and a "Gauss Obliterator" to both bombard ground forces and attack ships in orbit. They are definately noted as two distinct weapons (at first i though the Obliterator was the beam the pylon shot)

There is a few bits of fluff in there as wel which is nice but it may have no bearing on the codex at all so i wont list it here unless people specifically request it.

You've got things abit backwards, but you'll see that as you get into the book.

Spoiler:

The Herald of Dismay is the Architect, and he ends up being an entirely new class of Necron called a Cryptec, ones who make the spyders, scarabs and Rez. Orbs. Also, the Alpha Monolith is just a Doomsday 'Lith, can be found in the Apoc. books for rules and such, pretty neat. And yeah, we find out abit more on the styles of lords from regular, to flayed, to destroyer; it's all fun.

Just found out about some the stuff in your spoiler. This book is getting better by the minute. Apart from the Ultramarine book i dont think there is any other necron Fluff. For some reason i have chosen to go with 2 armies that have very little specific fluff about them (Iron Warriors and Necrons)

**CadianCommander**

The less fluff there is on something, the more mysterious and the scarier. It's just unfortunate for the Necron players that there's so little on their army. And unfortunate that whilst Necrons are meant to be unfathomable and scary, a medic with a bandaid and combat stims (FNP) works more quickly and more effectively than being in the sphere or a resurrection orb. Next time my b/f and I play, we're gonna switch the rules so my Cadian can't just break an arm or take shrapnel in the gut and shrug it off to return to the fight immediately, and his Necrons aren't flailing around in the mud for a turn. Stoopidz.

Necrons scare the pants off me because of what they're *meant* to be and described in the novels. Not because of what they are on the table. Can't wait to read Fall of Damnos. ....just have to wait until my partner's finished reading it first.

**Davor**

Sasori wrote:Ward writes good rules, which is what is important.

I personally think they just let the Black Library authors, write all the fluff anyway. They've got to have them on retainer, or something anyway.

I haven't read much Black Library books, some were ok, others I was not so impressed with. But after seeing the Ultramarine movie and it was suppose to be from one of the BL guys, I would defiantly not want them writing fluff for 40K.

**Ascalam**

A lot of folk see to consider everything BL turns out to be fluff canon for 40K anyway :0)

Given how thorough a chop and change job the fluff gets with every few books, i've more of less given up on even the idea of fluff being 'canon' anyway..

**CadianCommander**

Sasori wrote:
I personally think they just let the Black Library authors, write all the fluff anyway. They've got to have them on retainer, or something anyway.

Listen to some of their interviews. You'll know that's not true. There are a lot of authors. Not everyone is going to like each of their writing styles. I've got my favourite golden boy who writes for BL, I know he's not everyone's favourite (though he should be, may the Emperor protect Dembski-Bowden to continue writing 40k for a thousand years). Others have a favourite I enjoy but don't get such a huge kick out of.

Davor wrote:
I haven't read much Black Library books, some were ok, others I was not so impressed with. But after seeing the Ultramarine movie and it was suppose to be from one of the BL guys, I would defiantly not want them writing fluff for 40K.

....you know that was written by one of BL's most popular authors, right? Not my personal favourite, but widely known to be one of their best? I've heard a lot of flak over that movie. I've watched it over and over again. What were you expecting? A blockbuster Hollywood feature film on a Hollywood blockbuster budget? I can't stand it when people watch a movie and rate it against what it isn't meant to be. Ultramarines is a fan movie. Take it for what it is instead of what you think it has to be, you'll enjoy it a lot more. More support the stuff GW put out gets, more likely we'll see more made with better budgets. Slam them, you'll never see another one.

But I thought this thread was about to be about Necrons, not slamming BL's hardworking authors that give us so much pleasure.

Ooohhh....Necron movie. That'd have to be a horror flick >.<

**Ascalam**

I didn't mind the movie that much. I've seen far far worse on better budgets

Perhaps I don't get as bent out of shape because I don't play Marines or CSM.

A movie about the assault on Sanctuary 101 would be awesome

**CadianCommander**

I dunno. The people I know that play marines really enjoyed it. I mean, there were bits where everyone kinda cocks their heads and goes "errr.....that doesn't make sense" but on the whole

I'd love to see a Fifteen Hours movie. Tragic, but awesome.

**The Metal Tide**

i heard a rumor that pariahs imortals and flayed one would be released a multi part plastic and in boxes of 4-5. also i think the necrons need a better range of combat choices maybe a boost in I even. to have a few more models released it would be awesome as necrons do not have many choices to go with, i mean one troop choice... come on

**CadianCommander**

I always feel very sorry for people who like Necrons. There's no point collecting the army because you already have it all. There's been what, one new model released in the last nine years? Whereas I feel like I'll spend the rest of my life collecting IG.

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I always feel very sorry for people who like Necrons. There's no point collecting the army because you already have it all. There's been what, one new model released in the last nine years? Whereas I feel like I'll spend the rest of my life collecting IG.

**The Metal Tide**

If there has been one new model in the past nine years then don't you think it's time for some more new ones.

**CadianCommander**

Well, yes. Desperately and absolutely. Necrons are awesome. But they've been ignored which is a tragedy.