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BaronIveagh wrote:
You do know that the Long Scale is still called 'British' in some places, and still used in Britain in places, right? Parliament decided to change things after 200 years back in the 70's,

Yes, I know. I also know, and so do you, that they dropped it 40 years ago.

40 years is longer than most players of 40k have been alive.

According to GW, twenty years is longer then most 40k players have been alive.

BaronIveagh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well I'm confused. What part of America do they not call themselves Americans and count things in milliards?

In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

Mind you, one of the native breakfasts is disturbingly similar to British Army rations circa 1790. Hard Tack, Salt pork, and beans...

Ah, I see. Well I guess there's not much that can be done about the flag. At least not that I can think of. Anyways! This has a lot to do with khorne worshipping grey knights eh? What's a guy need to do to get a thread locked for off-topicness around here? I know: Tau suck, Tau suck, Tau Suck!

Well, let's see: Mat Ward has taken a big dump on canon, and the codex is a broken piece of gak. That pretty much sums it up.

Oh, and teleporting land raiders are made of cheese.

I won't go as far as to say it's broken, but yeah, pretty bad.

"Pretty bad"? It's a fluff catastrophe (and I say that as honestly as I can, without any Internet Hyperbole).

The Grey Knight Codex, from a fluff perspective, is the veritable nadir of all 40K fluff (even Goto reigns as Fluff-King over Ward's latest nonsense).

And as much as I'd like to say "It can only get better from here", we have to remember that Ward's writing the next book as well.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Accoring to wikipedia Francophones use long scale. I wasn't even aware due to being a westerner.

I am aware of that, but we are not speaking french, are we?

Also, why are we even arguing about this? This is nothing but semantics...


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H.B.M.C. wrote:"Pretty bad"? It's a fluff catastrophe (and I say that as honestly as I can, without any Internet Hyperbole).

The Grey Knight Codex, from a fluff perspective, is the veritable nadir of all 40K fluff (even Goto reigns as Fluff-King over Ward's latest nonsense).

And as much as I'd like to say "It can only get better from here", we have to remember that Ward's writing the next book as well.

I feel like a broken record here-MATT WARD IS C.S. GOTO!

BaronIveagh wrote:In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

The UN, at various points, has pitched self determination and recognition as legitimate government for native peoples, including recognition of traditional legal systems. Australia, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, and the US have all objected to this, though they eventually caved to pressure and agreed to a non-binding resolution. To underscore how non-binding it was, Australia immediatly announced how they were going to ignore key points of it, such as property rights and recognition of traditional legal systems.

"They seem, to many readers, to require the recognition of Indigenous rights to lands which are now lawfully owned by other citizens, both Indigenous and non-Indigenous, and therefore to have some quite significant potential to impact on the rights of third parties." - Senator Marise Payne

America took a softer stance when 560 reps of different peoples visited Obama, who agreed to sign that which George Bush would not.

England did some spectacular retroactive ass covering, "emphasized that the Declaration was non-legally binding and did not propose to have any retroactive application on historical episodes." - UK Ambassador Karen Peirce, according to UN.org In other words 'Please don't sue us,please don't sue us, please don't sue us..."

BaronIveagh wrote:
England did some spectacular retroactive ass covering, "emphasized that the Declaration was non-legally binding and did not propose to have any retroactive application on historical episodes." - UK Ambassador Karen Peirce, according to UN.org In other words 'Please don't sue us,please don't sue us, please don't sue us..."

Good luck on any legal actions from a dubiously recognized nation against another nation. Considering that established nations can't sue each other, it's going to be a stretch.

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Accoring to wikipedia Francophones use long scale. I wasn't even aware due to being a westerner.

I am aware of that, but we are not speaking french, are we?

Also, why are we even arguing about this? This is nothing but semantics...

We're not. I'm agreeing with you.

DarknessEternal wrote:
Good luck on any legal actions from a dubiously recognized nation against another nation. Considering that established nations can't sue each other, it's going to be a stretch.

Actually, nations seeking reparations against each other is quite common. Greece and England have been in negotiations for years over the theft of Greek antiquities by British officials. It's not an actual lawsuit per se, but very much in the vein of one. The 'Please don't sue us' bit was for comic effect.

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
A trillion is one thousand billion, and one billion is one thousand million. I thought they taught numbers in kindergarten?

They do, but you appearently slept through the lesson regarding the long and short scales.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Warhammer 40k wiki is one thousand thousand thousand times better than better than lexicanum. A lot of the wiki is direct codex quote.

And yet they don't provide direct references to where the material is gathered from? Yeah, clearly one milliard (see what I did there?) times better. /sarcasm

I know about long and short scale, but it's so obsolete I didn't deem it worth considering. I have never seen it actually used while speaking English (I am a francophone).

Calling something that quite a lot of countries still use "obsolete" isn't very accurate, is it?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well, he's not the only one. Henestly they don't actually teach this so called "long scale" in North America generally. And AFAIK it's generally considered obsolete around the world too. The extra dose of weirdness is the Baron is American...

Then you don't know as far as you should. Most continental european countries use the long scale, and it's as common as the short scale in the rest of the world.

I guess the fact that English speaking countries use the short scale makes the point moot unless the actual words are very similiar. How do you say Quadrillion in Swedish?

In Swedish, the equivalent of a short quadrillion would be "biljard", or billiard. Yes, the same name as the snooker-eqsue game.

So to me a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000. To you?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well I'm confused. What part of America do they not call themselves Americans and count things in milliards?

In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

Mind you, one of the native breakfasts is disturbingly similar to British Army rations circa 1790. Hard Tack, Salt pork, and beans...

Ah, I see. Well I guess there's not much that can be done about the flag. At least not that I can think of. Anyways! This has a lot to do with khorne worshipping grey knights eh? What's a guy need to do to get a thread locked for off-topicness around here? I know: Tau suck, Tau suck, Tau Suck!

*glares*

They're still the least evil faction...

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well I'm confused. What part of America do they not call themselves Americans and count things in milliards?

In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

Mind you, one of the native breakfasts is disturbingly similar to British Army rations circa 1790. Hard Tack, Salt pork, and beans...

Ah, I see. Well I guess there's not much that can be done about the flag. At least not that I can think of. Anyways! This has a lot to do with khorne worshipping grey knights eh? What's a guy need to do to get a thread locked for off-topicness around here? I know: Tau suck, Tau suck, Tau Suck!

*glares*

They're still the least evil faction...

I don't have a problem with the Tau. Just trying to summon KillKrazy. He's like Bloody Mary.

made my day...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So to me a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000. To you?

Oh, you meant like that. A quadrillion to me would be 10 to the power of 24, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 i.e. what you would call a septillion. Don't get me started on how big a septillion would be in Swedish... at least we've got googol in common

BaronIveagh wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:In the 'domestically dependent sovereign nation' of the Seneca Nation of Indians. You know, one of those weird tax free mini nations who have official languages other then English? We do, after all, sit in at hte UN, even though we don't actually have a vote because the US, Spain, and Australia didn't like the idea.

The UN, at various points, has pitched self determination and recognition as legitimate government for native peoples, including recognition of traditional legal systems. Australia, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, and the US have all objected to this, though they eventually caved to pressure and agreed to a non-binding resolution. To underscore how non-binding it was, Australia immediatly announced how they were going to ignore key points of it, such as property rights and recognition of traditional legal systems.

"They seem, to many readers, to require the recognition of Indigenous rights to lands which are now lawfully owned by other citizens, both Indigenous and non-Indigenous, and therefore to have some quite significant potential to impact on the rights of third parties." - Senator Marise Payne

America took a softer stance when 560 reps of different peoples visited Obama, who agreed to sign that which George Bush would not.

England did some spectacular retroactive ass covering, "emphasized that the Declaration was non-legally binding and did not propose to have any retroactive application on historical episodes." - UK Ambassador Karen Peirce, according to UN.org In other words 'Please don't sue us,please don't sue us, please don't sue us..."

Don't want to drag this too far OT, but Australia has recognised property rights (The Mabo case, which was then confronted by Howard's piece of legislation, which meant that land claims could only apply to Crown owned land so that farmers were safe) and we most definitely have their traditional legal systems in place for civil and minor criminal offences. New Zealand is a very different situation entirely, due to the fact that there was actually a treaty between the indigenous Maori tribes and British settlers, mainly becuase the warlike Maori's kicked so much British tail that conquering them looked very unappealing.

In fact, I'd say Australia has done a fair bit to help the situation with the Indigenous people. I'm more concerned about our hostility towards boat people/illegal immigrants (even though by the UN definition they aren't illegal since they are fleeing from war torn areas).

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So to me a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000. To you?

Oh, you meant like that. A quadrillion to me would be 10 to the power of 24, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 i.e. what you would call a septillion. Don't get me started on how big a septillion would be in Swedish... at least we've got googol in common

A googolplex might be the only number left in English that is still in long scale

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Don't want to drag this too far OT, but Australia has recognised property rights (The Mabo case, which was then confronted by Howard's piece of legislation, which meant that land claims could only apply to Crown owned land so that farmers were safe) and we most definitely have their traditional legal systems in place for civil and minor criminal offences. New Zealand is a very different situation entirely, due to the fact that there was actually a treaty between the indigenous Maori tribes and British settlers, mainly becuase the warlike Maori's kicked so much British tail that conquering them looked very unappealing.

In fact, I'd say Australia has done a fair bit to help the situation with the Indigenous people. I'm more concerned about our hostility towards boat people/illegal immigrants (even though by the UN definition they aren't illegal since they are fleeing from war torn areas).

I think the concern was that the UN's resolution might be seen as to extend beyond that to currently 'privately held' property. In the US we had the Grand Island case, which got to the point of being downright bizarre. I think that the drive to toss the home owners out was more due to the State of New York having been dragging people out of their homes and beating them in the streets a few years previous at Allegeny then any real interest in reclaiming Grand Island.

This topic certainly drifted.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So to me a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000. To you?

I am pretty sure that isn't a quadrillion in either scale...short scale quadrillion= 1,000,000,000,000
Long scale quadrillion= please don't make me write it...too many zeros...

What you've got above is a trillion.

It's a simple case of adding lots of three zeros.

1 - One
10 - Ten
100 - One Hundred
1,000 - One Thousand
1,000,000 - One Million
1,000,000,000 - One Billion
1,000,000,000,000 - One Trillion
1,000,000,000,000,000 - One Quadrillion

And so on.

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So to me a quadrillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000. To you?

I am pretty sure that isn't a quadrillion in either scale...short scale quadrillion= 1,000,000,000,000
Long scale quadrillion= please don't make me write it...too many zeros...

Sry, I was still thinking about the trillions, since this entire thread has been discussing them for quite a while...

Interestingly enough, if the pie charts I'm seeing are right, the US government budget is done in long form. I suppose so it doesn't sound as frightening to tax payers.

BaronIveagh wrote:Interestingly enough, if the pie charts I'm seeing are right, the US government budget is done in long form. I suppose so it doesn't sound as frightening to tax payers.

That means their national debt of a few trilliion dollars is...is...o.0 they're screwed

That's why I'm pretty sure that's not true.

From what i understand about them is if a moral threat is detected on a planet then
A) if its a small moral threat they only kill them
B) if its wide spread then exterminatus or equivilant esspecialy if members from any branch of the inquisition is inolved (i got this from the book grey knights which has an example of both except the sister where saved by proving their loyalty while they where being slaughtered)

gh05tdemon wrote:From what i understand about them is if a moral threat is detected on a planet then
A) if its a small moral threat they only kill them
B) if its wide spread then exterminatus or equivilant esspecialy if members from any branch of the inquisition is inolved (i got this from the book grey knights which has an example of both except the sister where saved by proving their loyalty while they where being slaughtered)

what do you mean "or equivalent"? Exterminatus means you kill a world, but there are many methods, as the IoM is quite imaginative when it comes to genocide.