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They better not change from metal, Resin isn't as good.

Kravox wrote:They better not change from metal, Resin isn't as good.

But they already did?

Yep, the metal models just didn't stick

Let's hope the resin ones do!

Kravox wrote:They better not change from metal, Resin isn't as good.

Don't worry, I'm sure they won't unless they become a public company, or change Rogue Trader's name to Warhammer 40,000.

htj wrote:

Kravox wrote:They better not change from metal, Resin isn't as good.

Don't worry, I'm sure they won't unless they become a public company, or change Rogue Trader's name to Warhammer 40,000.

I lol'd.

LunaHound wrote:Conspiracy? Here is a conspiracy.

GW PRODUCE FAILCAST ON PURPOSE TO DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM THEIR EMBARGO ON SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE

see we forgot all about it , right? riiiiiiiiiiight? :3

Nah, but this resin stuff could be Games Workshop's "New Coke" which will flop.

In a few months GW decide to listen to their customers (for once) and introduce the "Vintage Range". These are the figures don in metal again, but with a huge price increase because they are "collector's pieces".

I posted this last night in the other thread (added here with a couple of edits for grammar/clarity):

Just returned from my Failcost adventure... bought Eldar Shadowseer and Azhag. Opened both in store.

Shadowseer had a hole in the head (miscast), affecting about a quarter of it, which I filled in with glue. Not happy I had to do it, but I decided to suck it up on this one. Otherwise, the model is very nice. I've primed it black and it seems the details are crisper than I expect from metals, however, I do not have a metal Shadoseer to compare. The other Shadowseer in the store had the same miscast.

Azhag. Oh Azhag. First thing, I don't have the metal version. On opening, I was pleasantly surprised that I could make out a thumbprint from the sculptor on the back of the big orc face shield... don't know if it is visible on the metal. Amazing resolution on the cast, there! Now the bad. The box had 2 right wings but no left wing. Both right wings were tissue thin in several areas, with many holes. So the other two boxes in the store were opened, all had the same flaws (all told, 3 boxes, 6 right wings all quite thin and porous). I returned Azhag because I was not happy with the quality of the wings, and did not want to wait with half a model for my correct wing to show up.

So, my overall impression: disappointed. These are not worth the cost. If they were half the price, I would be totally happy. But at this price, I expect a product without flaws.

Shame things arent turning out so good

GW should just leave the resin stuff to FW.... I love my Krieg models! I was worried that GW finecast was going to be as good as FW resin, only cheaper.... Whew.

Alpharius wrote:If there's one thing this and other threads on the topic have convinced me of, it is that there is no way I'm buying Finecast anything 'sight unseen'.

Which also may be the point in slowing or stopping internet discounter sales....

Jeez it seems that most who bought this weekend are encountering moderate to severe qc issues... This makes me really nervous to order anything fc online without being able to eyeball the mini...

Reposting from the locked thread:


And here's the big pile of photos: http://s1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/alendrel/Finecast/[/

Some "highlights" are attached.

Note that all four of the Canis Wolfborns at the store were bad. Which, between metal and resin, means I'm now at 0 for 6 for getting an acceptable one.

carmachu wrote:

Alpharius wrote:If there's one thing this and other threads on the topic have convinced me of, it is that there is no way I'm buying Finecast anything 'sight unseen'.

Which also may be the point in slowing or stopping internet discounter sales....

Admittedly, I love a good conspiracy theory, but...

...you might be on to something!!!

Argh resin... I don't know what to think about it. On one hand, it makes models easier to put togther, and paint. On the other side... INCUBI (ok calm, calm, oceans think of oceans) are now 50 dollars (canadain) and Tankbustas are 55 dollars.

Wasn't resin supposed to be a cheaper alternitive? Why is in so much more expensive than metal? please help me... I am so confused (wait maybe not)

Wow.

Just wow.

For everyone who is planning on buying a finecast miniature to see for themselves if they're as bad as the pics being posted, please stop. They really are that bad. You don't need to waste your money to find out for yourself.

Alpharius Quoted:

Admittedly, I love a good conspiracy theory, but...

...you might be on to something!!!

Again. If my memory serves me. This is perhaps a way to get rid of the first batches of this product.

If sold as is, GW makes a profit.

If the "Faulty" product is returned. GW writes it off as a loss. A financial win for GW regardless when it does it's taxes.

BTY Yea for me!. I got my nice and shiny [DCM] badge on my avatark. As I always like to say. "I like to put money where my mouth is".

In this case it is here at Dakka Dakka!

Time for a sugar diabetic overload of pancakes and real maple syrup with lots of BACON!!!

To celebrate of course

Good thing you can see the model inside the package before you buy it, eh?

Alpharius wrote:

carmachu wrote:

Alpharius wrote:If there's one thing this and other threads on the topic have convinced me of, it is that there is no way I'm buying Finecast anything 'sight unseen'.

Which also may be the point in slowing or stopping internet discounter sales....

Admittedly, I love a good conspiracy theory, but...

...you might be on to something!!!

It's a nice idea but it would also slow down GW sales because so many models are special order only.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Good thing you can see the model inside the package before you buy it, eh?

For blisters, sure. Well, you can see the one side of the sprues, and hope your view of what's further in isn't obscured by parts in front, or sheets of flash webbing over most of a sprue.

For boxes, break out the X-Ray goggles.

For buying online, break out the X-Ray telescopes.

Or at least you can see one side of the bitz :(

Unless you open it before you buy the other side could be miscast to hell, and shaking the blister to turn the pieces around would likely break them.

Ugh. Alendrel, those Honour Guard look terrible.

You know, when I first saw these I was a little worried about things. Mostly because a lot of the older metal models are still kind of ugly. Abaddon for example, hate that cast. So seeing that was my first disappointment.

Although the night before they were publically released I was looking at my squad of plague marines and said "they need to release you guys in plastic" and when I saw it my heart skipped a beat. Then I saw the price, and it skipped another beat. Then I saw this thread, and it stopped completely. Same with Chaos Raptors. Would love to get more. But at this price can't do it.

And here's the big pile of photos: http://s1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/alendrel/Finecast/[/

Some "highlights" are attached.

Note that all four of the Canis Wolfborns at the store were bad. Which, between metal and resin, means I'm now at 0 for 6 for getting an acceptable one.

I couldn't tell what a few of those pictures were supposed to be of. That's purely ridiculous, was it all miscasted the same way or were they all deformed in different ways?

Only bought 1 finecast this weekend, the IG Lord commissar. The store I went to had a 50% off sale on all of their left over metal figures (15 euro for a box of plague marines is not a deal I can ignore) so I blew all my money on those hehe.

Finecast seems to be a hit or miss atm depending on the model you buy. Hope they sort out these problems when they re-release necrons & sob (plastic sob would be preferred though). Still a bit concerned about the whole melting thing though.

Any one could explain to me what's this?

ryanstartalker wrote:Any one could explain to me what's this?

A way to make it seem like there's high demand.

Maybe this is all just a long-running and very elaborate April Fool's joke.

htj wrote:

Temujin wrote:

Ehsteve wrote:Can't wait to see Inquisitorial assassins in finecast, I need a new vindicator...

Wouldn't a vindicator make a rather conspicuous and unsubtle assassin?

Reckon it'd get the job done, though.

It'd put a whole new meaning to the term "BOOM....HEADSHOT!!!!"


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ryanstartalker wrote:Anyway I got my metal Logan and Njal years ago... Though I would be looking forward to see a Bjorn the Fell-handed getting a resin kit.

Pity that the original metal kit is too heavy...

If they do a new Bjorn it will probably be a plastic kit, not resin.

I was thinking of getting the Fine cast models, heck, I was on the band wagon and all that, but once I saw those pictures, I was... disappoint.

I think it's better now to get metal models and struggle with them(as I hear they chip easily, break easily, blah blah blah).

Ascalam wrote:Or at least you can see one side of the bitz :(

Unless you open it before you buy the other side could be miscast to hell, and shaking the blister to turn the pieces around would likely break them.

Actually, because these are pretty much all on sprues that just fit into the blister, there's no way to do that. And the blister is sealed.

Willhellm wrote:
I couldn't tell what a few of those pictures were supposed to be of. That's purely ridiculous, was it all miscasted the same way or were they all deformed in different ways?

Here's the break down of the types of issues:

0) Small "pinprick" or slightly larger bubbles on a surface that don't disrupt the shape of a thing (e.g. in the middle of a portion of armor or cloth). This isn't really a problem, and is the "dab a lil superglue or putty in and smooth it out" kind of thing that's not unusual with resin. Which is why this is issue 0, I wanted to call it out as something different and easily handled as opposed to more serious bubble issues.

1) Air bubbles that do disrupt the shape of a thing: these are the spikes not fully formed, parts of feet missing, chunks out of armor plates. These are generally characterized by the smooth shiny surface where the bubble prevented the model from filling. These are things that require resculpting to fix. Which may be relatively easy (putting the tip onto a spike) to devilishly difficult (reforming armor plates with detail on them).

2) Tear out: this is a form of mold damage found with metal castings as well. This is the result of a sharp part of the model (e.g. a rivet or edge of armor or clothing) that is buried beneath the mold surface, and drags across the surface of the cavity as the casting is pulled out. This wears and abrades the mold material, and as material is worm away, metal fills that damaged mold area in future castings. This appears as a "shadow" of jagged material extending from the portion of the model causing the damage, and builds up over time (one of the worst examples I've seen was one of the metal Tau Crisis Suit Commander heads where half of the opening of the face was obscured by a sheet of tear out extending across it).

3) Silicone breakdown: Resin attacks silicone, bonding to it and breaking it down. Mold release will slow this process down, but not prevent it, and GW says they aren't using it anyways. Basically, over time, this will degrade the overall surface quality of the mold cavities, so if you have, say, a smooth sweep of cloth, it will start getting rougher looking, both at the edges and across the surface. In extreme cases, it will show as a lumpy texturing, possibly mixed with tiny chunks of mold rubber. Similarly, if you have a thing strand of mold material going between surfaces of a model (such as with Grey Knights, between their head and the raised crest of their armor), it can bind enough that a portion of that strand will snap off before it releases free of the part, leaving future castings to simply fill in that area).

4) Overpressure/insufficient fill: This can be similar to issue 1, and is also something that can be found in metal models, though resin seems more prone to it (the lighter material means it drives into the cavity with less force). This is where the opposing surfaces of the mold cavity are pressed too close together and the material can't properly flow into an area and fill it. The Draigo shoulder ridge I have picture above is a perfect example: it's simply a wisp of heavy flash more than a formed piece of armor.

5) Part distortion: this is occasionally seen in metal, but only when the pressure is high enough that it starts to deform the mold. Resin is far more susceptible to this. Metal sets and hardens very quickly (for tin-based pewters generally used in miniatures, you can open a mold 30 seconds after it's pored and have pieces as solid as they'll ever be, large components can take up to a couple of minutes.). Resin has two working characteristics: pot life, which is how long it is essentially liquid and pourable, and cure time, which is how long until it has solidified enough to keep its shape. In between, it is soft and pliable, and liable to deformation. If removed early, just the force of being pulled out of a mold can stretch or distort it, and it will then finish setting in that distorted shape. For an example, note the front of the Marneus Calgar legs I posted, and how the gem and skull on his crotch-plate are "smeared" out of shape.

6) Mold offset: This is found in both metal and resin, and is a result of the mold halves being not properly aligned with each other. The result, pretty obviously, is a part where one half is shifted away from true with the other, creating project ridges on either side of the part in the axis of the shift. Minor shift is little different than a mold line (which is essentially a tiny ridge of flash as the material pushes between the mold halves), but more significant shift requires essentially resculpting the affected portions of the model. And if his happens across a face or other area of fine detail, can be pretty much impossible to correct.

For point of background, I've been professionally casting miniatures and making molds for about 8 years, mostly in metal, but with some resin experience too.

I was a l little disappointed to see that plague marines are still only 7 to a box. Or that raptors still come with only 2 bolt pistol & chainsword raptors. This was a good chance to add more stuff to the box.

With the terrible casting that I've seen, and the new prices that they've attached to these models, I just can't do it anymore. I just can't justify paying these kinds of prices for GW products anymore. Time for me to walk away.