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now need to work out if 5+ overwatch or +6 range is going to be the stronger choice on fire warriors, I’m leaning toward the overwatch though as in my meta that will see more use I think.
I’m leaning toward the reroll 1 dice trait on broadsides
Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Never argue with an idiot you just lower yourself to their level.
Red Corsair wrote: The stratagems are what everything is really hinging on.
You say that like people don't just use deep strike, extra fight/shoot stratagems and reroll stratagems.
I didn't say that like anything lol.
Not to mention you must be hidden under a rock since there are a metric ton of stratagems outside what your suggesting.
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Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Gun drones at 8ppm was entirely stupid. The model flies, shoots 4 s5 shots at 18, has higher toughness then a FW and can auto shield suits. I'd say 12 sounds entirely fair for all that. As you said, stratagems are always huge and I am sure there will be one for drones.
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John Prins wrote: I'd like to know if Crisis Suits went to BS3+ or not.
Very unlikely imo. All I am hoping for is a points drop on them and on their weapons. If the rumors of 20 points drop on broadsides and riptides holds for the crisis and they go down even 10 points it helps.
Forest hunter sept ~3500 guardians of the covenant 4th company ~ 6000
Warrior based hive fleet
Red Corsair wrote: The stratagems are what everything is really hinging on.
You say that like people don't just use deep strike, extra fight/shoot stratagems and reroll stratagems.
I didn't say that like anything lol.
Not to mention you must be hidden under a rock since there are a metric ton of stratagems outside what your suggesting.
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Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Gun drones at 8ppm was entirely stupid. The model flies, shoots 4 s5 shots at 18, has higher toughness then a FW and can auto shield suits. I'd say 12 sounds entirely fair for all that. As you said, stratagems are always huge and I am sure there will be one for drones.
I think the rock hider is yourself. Each codex has a bunch of startagems yes, but only like 3 are used out of each book and it's usually the deep striking, shoot again and fight again ones. Otherwise it's the reroll stratagem from the BRB.
Edit: Sorry, 4. The extra relic one as well sometimes.
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Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Gun drones at 8ppm was entirely stupid. The model flies, shoots 4 s5 shots at 18, has higher toughness then a FW and can auto shield suits. I'd say 12 sounds entirely fair for all that. As you said, stratagems are always huge and I am sure there will be one for drones.
I think the rock hider is yourself. Each codex has a bunch of startagems yes, but only like 3 are used out of each book and it's usually the deep striking, shoot again and fight again ones. Otherwise it's the reroll stratagem from the BRB.
Edit: Sorry, 4. The extra relic one as well sometimes.
Hmm, of the top of my head DG use:
recycle dead models into poxwalkers
prevent 1 unit to be targeted
fire frenzy (which could be your shoot again, okay)
throw grenades with everybody
+1 to wound rolls
make 1 vehicle explode automatically
summon with 4 dice (situational)
heal W3 wounds (situational)
ignore penalty on moving verhicles (situational)
That would be 6-9 + basic ones.
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Red Corsair wrote: The stratagems are what everything is really hinging on.
You say that like people don't just use deep strike, extra fight/shoot stratagems and reroll stratagems.
I didn't say that like anything lol.
Not to mention you must be hidden under a rock since there are a metric ton of stratagems outside what your suggesting.
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Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Gun drones at 8ppm was entirely stupid. The model flies, shoots 4 s5 shots at 18, has higher toughness then a FW and can auto shield suits. I'd say 12 sounds entirely fair for all that. As you said, stratagems are always huge and I am sure there will be one for drones.
I think the rock hider is yourself. Each codex has a bunch of startagems yes, but only like 3 are used out of each book and it's usually the deep striking, shoot again and fight again ones. Otherwise it's the reroll stratagem from the BRB.
Edit: Sorry, 4. The extra relic one as well sometimes.
You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Stratagems are what in 8th define a Codex, and what makes or broke a competitive army.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Red Corsair wrote: The stratagems are what everything is really hinging on.
You say that like people don't just use deep strike, extra fight/shoot stratagems and reroll stratagems.
I didn't say that like anything lol.
Not to mention you must be hidden under a rock since there are a metric ton of stratagems outside what your suggesting.
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Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: Sigh, gun drones 12 pts is ridiculous, nothing announced so far has been impressive for tau. Sept traits are interesting and match most armies as 2-3 are good and 2-3 are not... IMO. Hoping for Crisis help and some good artifacts and Strategems.
Gun drones at 8ppm was entirely stupid. The model flies, shoots 4 s5 shots at 18, has higher toughness then a FW and can auto shield suits. I'd say 12 sounds entirely fair for all that. As you said, stratagems are always huge and I am sure there will be one for drones.
I think the rock hider is yourself. Each codex has a bunch of startagems yes, but only like 3 are used out of each book and it's usually the deep striking, shoot again and fight again ones. Otherwise it's the reroll stratagem from the BRB.
Edit: Sorry, 4. The extra relic one as well sometimes.
LMAO but sorry that's just irritatingly false. Just last few tournies I have been in I have faced more then your suggesting. Against Eldar I have been on the end of evasion, fall back and shoot, seer council, black guardians and the invuln bubble on guardians as well as snap fire against rangers in one game. Meanwhile I am playing Chaos and frequently utilize, spell familer, tide of traitors and veterans of the long war as well as the legion specific ones. Maybe your shallow pond uses next to none of the plethera of stratagems out there but it is not reflective of the greater community. Jesus I forgot about playing death guard and facing pox walkers that count as characters for targeting as well as casualties farming more in addition to plague bombardment and veterans. Your speaking out of your bumb mate.
tneva82 wrote: So where's that -1 to hit trait people were drooling over?
And gw keeps up with their 8th ed strategy. Up costs in index, people up point level, come codex and massive point drops forcing new models bought as players keep point levels up anyway wondering why armies are so expensive
Do you wear a tinfoil hat in real life? It seems like every other post you make is some conspiracy theory.
No need to look at conspiracy theories when gw is good enough to not even pretend they aren't making changes to funnel where purchaces go.
It would be like not believing sun comes from east tomorrow.
tneva82 wrote: No need to look at conspiracy theories when gw is good enough to not even pretend they aren't making changes to funnel where purchaces go.
It would be like not believing sun comes from east tomorrow.
You'd maybe have a point if Primaris rules weren't terrible to begin with and just merely passable after two rounds of buffs.
Unless you suggest GW doesn't want people to buy its newest shiny range?
tneva82 wrote: No need to look at conspiracy theories when gw is good enough to not even pretend they aren't making changes to funnel where purchaces go.
It would be like not believing sun comes from east tomorrow.
You'd maybe have a point if Primaris rules weren't terrible to begin with and just merely passable after two rounds of buffs.
Unless you suggest GW doesn't want people to buy its newest shiny range?
clearly GW knows people will buy new marines anyway so they don't have to try hard! it's the less popular armies GW has to conspiraize with! it perfectly explains why as often as not the best minis in the game are ancient fine cast models and not the valueable expensive new plastic kits not everyone has hundreds of
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
First and foremost, thank you for sharing with us.
Point changes, if any, to other weapon systems. Did the Missile Pod/Railgun/Rail Rifle get a commiserate reduction in its point cost compared to HYMP and HRR? Are Plasma Rifles the same, stats- and/or points-wise? Burst Cannons?
Did any other models get point cost increases or reductions not covered by changes in weapon costs? Crisis Suits? Bodyguards? Stealth Suits? Stormsurges?
What relics are available, and are their rules now in line with the relic rules of other codexes (i.e. one per character, etc.)?
Any changes to the Markerlight Table?
What what accurate from Haechi's rumors? What was inaccurate?
18 shot 2 damage HBC?
1 Commander per detachment?
Drone Savior Protocols only working on a 2+?
Are Drones exactly the same except for the point increases, or were they given new/better special rules to compensate?
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?
One of the Warlord Traits is the same as one of the Blood Angels ones except Tau get to reroll hits. Because Tau.
I'm just gonna take the positive spin and assume that after releasing several codexes with these "extra heroic intervention length" traits they realized that trait sucks and needs another bonus for anyone to take it.
And is not like a Tau Warlord that rerrolls hits in meele can do... can do anything. Unless he is an Ethereal and... yeah. In general Heroic Intervention traits suck.
I hope that trait means we're getting a Fusion Blade weapon option or relic.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I like that Sacea basically gets the Salamanders bonus but something extra on top of it as, ya know, the benefit alone seemed like it would be pretty powerful huh? Why would you need any bonus?
One of the Warlord Traits is the same as one of the Blood Angels ones except Tau get to reroll hits. Because Tau.
I'm just gonna take the positive spin and assume that after releasing several codexes with these "extra heroic intervention length" traits they realized that trait sucks and needs another bonus for anyone to take it.
And is not like a Tau Warlord that rerrolls hits in meele can do... can do anything. Unless he is an Ethereal and... yeah. In general Heroic Intervention traits suck.
I hope that trait means we're getting a Fusion Blade weapon option or relic.
Probably will be; but remember that named characters are locked to their specific <Whatever>'s Warlord Trait.
So Farsight will get some use (shockingly) out of the Farsight Enclaves Warlord Trait. Maybe. Probably not.
John Prins wrote: I'd like to know if Crisis Suits went to BS3+ or not.
Very unlikely imo. All I am hoping for is a points drop on them and on their weapons. If the rumors of 20 points drop on broadsides and riptides holds for the crisis and they go down even 10 points it helps.
I don't know, Crisis Suits have bounced between 3+ and 4+ a lot through various editions. If they get a huge points reduction, then 4+ is fine, but if they just get a small points reduction, 4+ still sucks for the points and you're back to wanting as many Commanders as possible (3 commanders in every army is still Commander spam).
Maybe they'll actually cost weapons based on Ballistic Skill (gasp!).
Are sky rays the same rules as before?
Have seeker missiles changed?
Do sniper drones cause a mortal wound on a 6+ to wound roll
Are gun drones really 12pts per model and if so do they have to target the closest unit still
Im worried that this codex is just an overnerf to gun drones and commanders while fixing none of the massive glaring problems the rest of the tau army list has :/
Gun drones at 12ppm are massively overcosted. Should have either gone to 10ppm or nerfed drone controllers to one unit only or 2-3" range. Uncontrollered gun drones are pretty poor but at 8ppm are a little too cheap. 12 is pretty much pointless though
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Bobug wrote: They become a "support element" in that they arent a cost effective unit
Dont get me wrong, theyre too good at 8ppm at the moment
He said "support equipment". Which is what they've always supposed to been.
It was a mistake to ever allow them to be taken as units when they're essentially supposed to be tied to a unit/operator as a kind of 'squad backup'.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Forest hunter sept ~3500 
guardians of the covenant 4th company ~ 6000
Warrior based hive fleet
5500 pts 
6500 pts 
7000 pts 
9000 pts 
13.000 pts