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Quick question, so we have a bunch of Titans mentioned in the background that don't have models yet (Rapier, Punisher, etc). I was wondering if this also goes for Knights. Are there Knight types mentioned in the background that don't have models/designs yet?

 Malika2 wrote:
Quick question, so we have a bunch of Titans mentioned in the background that don't have models yet (Rapier, Punisher, etc). I was wondering if this also goes for Knights. Are there Knight types mentioned in the background that don't have models/designs yet?

Not really. You could make a case for the old "Epic scale" knights, but I think most of them are basically variants of the Questoris Pattern knight.

I do wonder. Are we expecting the newer Knight Patterns making an appearance, like the Armigers or the Dominus patterns?

Certainly possible. It doesn't seem like new plastic sprues will be happening for AT anytime soon, so they'd probably be resin if they come in the near future. I've definitely had my fill of Knights. I mean...ugh. But when FW is cranking them out in resin, it's not like they're being manufactured in place of new plastic Titans. If they weren't creating resin Knights, we'd be getting...basically nothing.

Hi!

Since AT s set in 30k during the heresy and its knight releases follow the Heresy black and red books, according to those only the Knight Acastus Asterius and the Armiger type Morirax are the only two 30k era knights they have not done.

Those would be my guess that they will do before going into tainted titans and perhaps more weapon options for existing titans.

Primarch1

For a game called "Adeptus Titanicus" there sure isn't a lot of Titans and a lot of Knights, huh?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
For a game called "Adeptus Titanicus" there sure isn't a lot of Titans and a lot of Knights, huh?

Lord, Bringer, Hound, Reaver and the Warlord-Sinister. Five titans.

Questoris, Cerastus, Acastus, Mechanicum-Questoris, Mechanicum-Cerastus. Five knights.

If we're counting the different arming of the knights then its chump change compared to the selection of weapons the titans have available to them. And the expansions have definitely been far kinder to titans....

But yes, it is time for a new titan now. If going with just the core game the knights are only in the advanced rules and just support units. The titans shouldn't go too long without a release to keep players interested.

So here's hoping somehow you can just add a single atrapos to an existing banner instead of having to take two minimum. It's unfortunate that we'll have to wait until someone receives their atrapos before we see the command terminal.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
For a game called "Adeptus Titanicus" there sure isn't a lot of Titans and a lot of Knights, huh?

The knights are good but the titan's are still the main attraction, the modular nature of their weapons mounts makes the game actually have a lot of playability without needing to add new models all that often.

The knights were mostly already digitally sculpted, and were this easier to bring to market.

New Titans are quite a bit of work - both sculpting and creative approvals. Tough during COVID, I suspect.

Now live at £40 a pair:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Adeptus-Titanicus-Mechanicum-Cerastus-Knights-Atrapos-2020

£8 more than the Mechanicum Questoris

Man, I really like the Atrapos models, and I’m not surprised at the price, but... I could get a set of Warhounds for the same price from GW, or £10 cheaper elsewhere.

Rules:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Man, I really like the Atrapos models, and I’m not surprised at the price, but... I could get a set of Warhounds for the same price from GW, or £10 cheaper elsewhere.

Absolutely.

In hindsight, If I were to start again with a knight force it would be just the two plastic Cerastus kits and a box of hounds. Everything else is either too expensive or hassle.

Curiously, the Atrapos points are not listed with the usual "+ weapons" bit, so they might either have no options at all or have any combination of them included in the base cost already.

Still, roughly 100 points per Cerastus body starts pushing it towards being a stylistic choice. If they can have two lascutters, that'll be funky.

 Sherrypie wrote:
Curiously, the Atrapos points are not listed with the usual "+ weapons" bit, so they might either have no options at all or have any combination of them included in the base cost already.

Still, roughly 100 points per Cerastus body starts pushing it towards being a stylistic choice. If they can have two lascutters, that'll be funky.

Yes, that part is certainly interesting. If it includes the weapon cost in the 200 points then they would be rather good units, rules wise. Yet, there a box on the back of the card that is hidden...hmmm.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Sherrypie wrote:
Curiously, the Atrapos points are not listed with the usual "+ weapons" bit, so they might either have no options at all or have any combination of them included in the base cost already.

Still, roughly 100 points per Cerastus body starts pushing it towards being a stylistic choice. If they can have two lascutters, that'll be funky.

Yes, that part is certainly interesting. If it includes the weapon cost in the 200 points then they would be rather good units, rules wise. Yet, there a box on the back of the card that is hidden...hmmm.

Eh, debatable. A pair of Lancers is 170 points and have better saves with their gauntlets, which raises their survivability more than the flare shield and very rarely happening autosimulacra on the Mechanicum knigths. The grav gun is still pretty meh for the points. I don't think using them as shown here is shooting yourself in the foot, but they aren't really much to write home about either in comparison.

Truly disappointing, should have been a banner of one with a bad ass vortex gun.

TBH I wish they'd let you mix & match within a banner. The fluff for my own Order would easily permit the occasional Mechanicum chassis as a unit leader, but I can't justify whole units of them trotting around. Obviously you couldn't mix entirely different chassis together, but I'm not seeing a particularly good reason you couldn't have a banner of two Lancers and an Atropos or what have you.

 Sherrypie wrote:


Eh, debatable. A pair of Lancers is 170 points and have better saves with their gauntlets, which raises their survivability more than the flare shield and very rarely happening autosimulacra on the Mechanicum knigths. The grav gun is still pretty meh for the points. I don't think using them as shown here is shooting yourself in the foot, but they aren't really much to write home about either in comparison.

The C-Lancers are the bread winners of the knights so far. I would get another pair to make a full banner for my Legio, but Wayland sadly isn't selling them at the moment. Starting to wonder if the current sets without the slim terminals and weapon cards are about to be repackaged...

The Atropos is definitely more useful than the Castigator, and would probably use it over the Acheron too.

SamusDrake wrote:

The C-Lancers are the bread winners of the knights so far.

As it should be. The Lancer was, after all, the mainstay of the Knight houses back in Epic: Titan Legions.

 Yodhrin wrote:
TBH I wish they'd let you mix & match within a banner. The fluff for my own Order would easily permit the occasional Mechanicum chassis as a unit leader, but I can't justify whole units of them trotting around. Obviously you couldn't mix entirely different chassis together, but I'm not seeing a particularly good reason you couldn't have a banner of two Lancers and an Atropos or what have you.

As freeblades that would be reasonable, unless I've over looked something. However, to keep things simple I'd have them as additional marshals to a minimum banner. For example...

2 C-Lancers( scion, marshal ) + 1 Atropos( marshal )

...or...

2 Atropos( scion, marshal ) + 1 Castigator( marshal ) + 1 Acheron( marshal )

...the Autosimulacra might not make sense fluff-wise, but I don't think it would hurt the game any to let it stand. It would be a bit strange using two terminals for one banner, but one of them could just be for rules reference while the other one keeps track of points. The basic stats for structure, BS, WS and command are identical...yes, seems alright.


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 Mr_Rose wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

The C-Lancers are the bread winners of the knights so far.

As it should be. The Lancer was, after all, the mainstay of the Knight houses back in Epic: Titan Legions.

Never got to play it back in the day( we had SM 2nd edition ). Was it any good?

 Crablezworth wrote:
Truly disappointing, should have been a banner of one with a bad ass vortex gun.

No, it shouldn't have been that.

It's should be an unstable version of a vortex weapon that have a chance to blow up the user. Also the range should be much shorter.

 gorgon wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Truly disappointing, should have been a banner of one with a bad ass vortex gun.

No, it shouldn't have been that.

Yeah, as much as I'd have liked to see something a bit more interesting with the gun, knight banners simply shouldn't start from one in any default scenario in the current mechanical framework. Cheap activations that are hard to remove due to firepower splitting should be very sparsely available for under 200 points.

Okay, nothing should have the vortex rule then, which is the current state of things. Better?




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 Sherrypie wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Truly disappointing, should have been a banner of one with a bad ass vortex gun.

No, it shouldn't have been that.

Yeah, as much as I'd have liked to see something a bit more interesting with the gun, knight banners simply shouldn't start from one in any default scenario in the current mechanical framework. Cheap activations that are hard to remove due to firepower splitting should be very sparsely available for under 200 points.

It's meant to be incredibly rare, now apparently it's so rare you can take 2-4 of them in a banner. Would much rather had it been 0-1 and decently cool.

The atropos is my favorite Knight chassis so itll probably be the only resin ones I buy. as much as I want styrix & maegera, atropos looks better to me.

they just really need to get on with the rapiers.....

Then, we miss only the Armiger?

4 Armigers, 2 Dominus, Asterius, Knight Preceptor, Chaos Knight.

Knight preceptor can be dealt with via a resin weapon for the las impeller. Chaos Knights won’t feature as they appear in 40k. At least not until they done corrupted Titans

 Crablezworth wrote:
Okay, nothing should have the vortex rule then, which is the current state of things. Better?

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 Sherrypie wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Truly disappointing, should have been a banner of one with a bad ass vortex gun.

No, it shouldn't have been that.

Yeah, as much as I'd have liked to see something a bit more interesting with the gun, knight banners simply shouldn't start from one in any default scenario in the current mechanical framework. Cheap activations that are hard to remove due to firepower splitting should be very sparsely available for under 200 points.

It's meant to be incredibly rare, now apparently it's so rare you can take 2-4 of them in a banner. Would much rather had it been 0-1 and decently cool.

Vortex weapons on the scale implied in the rules aren't really fitted on knights, simple as that. Why they aren't yet available as missile banks on Warlords or battlefield assets is another question entirely, since those would be the places where they do belong. On rarity, let's remember GW fails at numbers whenever they write anything. Having a couple of suits in your list does not mean they aren't rare treats on the galactic scale but having individual knights sucks from the mechanical point of view, so...

Vortex grenade is a thing.