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I never got the books just because of cost and the fact that I had to order them from FW. When I order stuff from FW, I'm spending my game allowance on the models so I rarely have cash to spare for a book. Ya'd think for a book at least they'd try and sell them through the normal distributor channels. Or let Black Library do them or something. The only FW book I ever got was the Apocalypse one, and that was just because my FLGS could get it. I'd buy them all if I could buy them locally. Oh well.

I built a command chimera with an autocannon once, thinking since it was in an older FW book it would show up in the new IG codex. So much for that idea Seriously though, if a chimera can have a multi laser or heavy bolter, why can't it have an autocannon? no fair.

Moopy wrote:

TBD wrote:
Let me just say that the ones who are the most vocal about morality often are the biggest hypocrites when you put their lives under a microscope. But we obviously don't know, so I'm certainly not saying that this applies here.

Your Ad Hominem attack won't make you right. You really need to learn how to form an argument that isn't based on personal attacks.

I'll say this and be done with it. I work in the video game business, and when retards think they have the right to prirate whatever they want, it ends up hurting people like me.

So just to clarify:

Calling someone a "slow" is or isnt a personal attack?

slow is also a derogatory term used to make fun of people with mental disabilities. So it's ok to slight people with mental disabilities by using such a term?

What is the definition of hypocrite again?

I think he needs to work out what an Ad Hominem attack is. Ad Hominem isn't a personal attack. Ad Hominem is a personal attack in place of an argument.

1. "You are wrong."
2. "You are an idiot."
3. "You are wrong and you are an idiot."
4. "You are wrong because you are an idiot."

Only one of the above four examples is an Ad Hominem, and looking CT's post I can't see it there.

Here's hoping that there will plague zombies in the third Renegades list.

BrookM wrote:Here's hoping that there will plague zombies in the third Renegades list.

"USE TACTICS" Landers who saw the book at GD say there are.

Well, that's a relief.

Heh. My title for Warseer is catching on already.

We should totally make USE TACTICS an auto-correct.

Moopy wrote:Agreed. Downloading w/o paying = stealing. Not cool at all. I really don't like the attitude of, "I want it but don't have the money for it = I'll steal it." If you can't afford it you can't afford it. End of story.

Forgeworld do themselves no favours in this regard though as it can be quite tough to find the latest version of the rules for a particular model. Too many items are duplicated (with different rules). Not to mention that some books are almost completely pointless from a rules perspective (virtually everything in IA1 has been updated in other books or the IG codex, IA2 is entirely obselete). Not to mention them some of them are quite thin on actual rules.

I'm thoroughly anti-piracy but I wouldn't buy an IA book without looking through it (either in store, if they've got one, or by downloading it) If it's got the rules for something I want then I'll buy it but I'm not getting it otherwise.

Surely the format of the rules is a big barrier to entry? If you're buying a £50 model are you going to pay another £50 for the rules for it? I can't believe that they make so much money from the books that it cancels out the people that don't buy a model because they need to buy the book as well.

Quit dragging it off-topic you donkey-caves.


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I just pre-ordered mine, here we go again.

It it makes anyone feel any better I downloaded all the Dark Heresy books before I bought them - emphasis on bought.

H.B.M.C. Wed, 12/Aug/2009 08:13:12 Subject: Forgeworld Newsletter #216‏

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It it makes anyone feel any better I downloaded all the Dark Heresy books

Baaaaaad H.B.M.C.! (rolls up newspaper)

H.B.M.C.

.....before I bought them - emphasis on bought.

Arrh theres a good boy! (throw intawebz biccy)

Is a Ad Hominem a Mechanical Poofter? If so, who gets the credit if someone now makes an IG themed army after reading this?

Mechanical... wha... oh... no. Not going there...

Mechanical what?

Did I miss out on something exciting?

I don't think I want to know.

Wait , so am i allowed to flip through the IA online or not?

Not legally. No.

Other than the preview pages, that is.

But nobody cares, because this is the internet.

Trust me, people download things like rulebooks all the time via torrents or rapidshare. Nobody gets caught for it.

I download every Codex GW puts out. I also buy every Codex they put out. I just like having an electronic version on call wherever I need it to check things, and the book for when I want to sit down and read it.

If GW released PDF's themselves* (like Catalyst does) I'd buy them, and we wouldn't have this problem.




*In a language other than Japanese, before anyone points that out.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It it makes anyone feel any better I downloaded all the Dark Heresy books before I bought them - emphasis on bought.

I think the argument was that it didn't really matter if you were going to buy them anyway or not, the act of downloading them in the first place was bad enough.

But anyway, I'm not sure I see much point in keeping the older IA books around anymore, since all the rules have been outdated. I know this is GW and all and they would never do it, but they really should come down in price or something, since the fluff is really the only thing you're getting out of it.

The older books are troves of background information. The rules are so-so but that's not why people buy these books, or so I dearly hope. When I bought IA 4 at my GW store I was warned that it was a poor gaming aid but a great background book.

I bought them for the background not the rules - who buys FW books for the rules, honestly? - so I'm happy with them.

I have purchased all os the AI books and have not been disappointed with them, with the possible exception of buying AI6 and reading it through just to find it was continued in AI7!

As stated the fluff is good the rules less so now, where I really think they are worth it is the expansion of detail, the regimental logs/registers included with AI3 were great as are the 2nd line and support vehicles.

All of the Lists presented are what I would call fluff lists, i.e. realistic forces (to the 40K universe). They make sense for the setting/campaign and are good to use games particularly if you use them for scenarios.

Well, it is to be expected when the Vraks campaign is listed as a trilogy.

No Brook, notprop is right about IA6. Anyone who waited a year for that only to read it, realise it was an expensive advert for the Reaver Titan, and then realise that it would be another year until we get the end had to have been disappointed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I bought them for the background not the rules - who buys FW books for the rules, honestly? - so I'm happy with them.

This is the problem - you have to buy them for the rules if you want to use the FW models but paying £50 for the rules for a couple of tanks you might want is just too steep.

I'll buy IA8 for the elysian drop list but I've made a point of not buying IA3-7. IA apoc is pretty good value though.

H.B.M.C. Wed, 12/Aug/2009 12:09:02 Subject: Forgeworld Newsletter #216‏

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No Brook, notprop is right about IA6. Anyone who waited a year for that only to read it, realise it was an expensive advert for the Reaver Titan, and then realise that it would be another year until we get the end had to have been disappointed.

Naively true I’m afraid. Didn't pick up on the whole trilogy thing at all then gradually got closer to the end of the background story section, noting I was getting closer and closer to the exciting finale, increasingly thinking that with only a few pages left it must be an Nuke/Virus bomb copout, instead I got................Tune in for next years exciting instalment of ....... VRAKS!!

Cliff hanger certainly, but a little bit disappointing none the less.

Scott-S6 wrote:This is the problem - you have to buy them for the rules if you want to use the FW models but paying £50 for the rules for a couple of tanks you might want is just too steep.

Well I don't think of it that way, plus I've got a stack of FW tanks, so it worked out well for me.

Eh, I love the books for the fluff etc.. but some of the stuff is just not well designed rules wise at ALL.