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Hmmm, so after Codex: Khornate Legions, GW is already making Codex: Night Lords? I wonder how long it is till Codex: Blood Rav-I mean Thousand Sons comes out.

Flashman wrote:
So far we have...

Romans in Space (Ultramarines)
Monks in Space (Dark Angels)
Vikings in Space (Space Wolves)
Mongols in Space (White Scars)
Knights in Space (Black Templars)
Dragons in Space (Salamanders)

And now we will have as clearly indicated by the Space Hulk Terminator Sergeant, Vampires in Space!

Actually, it's:

Native American Monks in Space (Dark Angels)
Werewolf Vikings in Space (Space Wolves)
Ancient Greek Vampires in Space (Blood Angels)

Some of the SM Chapters have more than one archetype written into their background. Now THAT'S daft.

Sidstyler wrote:I kinda hope not, really. A little vampirism here and there is okay I guess (like Dracula-looking Mephiston), but I'd prefer if they didn't go overboard.

I'd love to see BA get something conceptually strong like what SW got.

As I said in another thread, if I was writing it I'd downplay the vampiric stuff and play up the general sense of BA being a chapter slowly descending into madness. I just have this mental image of a sun setting on fading heroes in baroque armor that I think could be really powerful. I'd play up the sense of creeping doom, but also show them as heroically raging (if you will) against the dying of the light...even though the end is inevitable. I also think there's some room there to do something interesting with the Flesh Tearers and show them as the ultimate expression of this doom. Deep within their fortress-monastery on Baal, I can envision the great marble statue of Sanguinius weeping tears of blood for what's befallen the Flesh Tearers and what will someday befall all his children...

Of course, I'm sure what we'll get is a recycling of the nonconcept involving vamps with jump packs that Gav thought up years ago. And not to turn this into a Gav-bash, but for as good of a writer as he is, his codices really weren't conceptually strong. There's a big difference there from what you see from Phil K.

I wonder who got the job for BA? Mat Ward would seem to be next up.

so wait a sec... it's great to know that the BA will have their own codex but I have a shiver of fear.... in the new Space Hulk the fluff says that the entire BA chapter has been wiped out (at least in the Italian translation) during the assault on the Hulk "Eternal Damnation" (or however that hulk is called) leaving only 50 marines as survivors.

Could this provoke a change in story and codex rules for the Blood Angels ?

Basically they have suffered a loss worst than the one got from the Crimson Fists!!! And we are talking about one of the 1st founding chapters, not a "whatever founding number". This scares me a bit.

Flashman wrote:Not liking for the current trend for "ancient culture/mythology but in space" Marines.

Daft

Current trend? Only an ent would think 20 years is a current trend. Plus, Salamanders are as much "dragons in space" as the Rainbow Warriors are rainbows in space.

Flashman wrote:

Dragons in Space (Salamanders)

THe Sallys were Africans in Space for a while but GW has apparently decided that 'black skin' is meant to be taken literally AND it's a hideous mutation.

Ah GW stay classy.

Can we get Warhammer Armies Pygmies next?


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Kirasu wrote:GW treats Dark Eldar like little kids no one wanted.. Maybe if you ignore them long enough they'll go away

One can only hope

That was old fluff that was carried over, it lacks a real place in the time line. It also say 950 lost, not 50 survivors. If this occured before the legions were split up into chapters, 950 loss is not bad. Even still 950 included the entourage that composed the crew of their ships, servitors, and other non-marines. A strike cruiser carries 100 marines, but has several thousand crewmen.

I think the way SW have been done is exactly what any codex independent of the Space Marines (or Chaos Space Marines) book deserves and requires to be worth our time. If BA can achieve that same quality they deserve to be done.

I wish they would just remake Angels of Death. Dark angels and Blood Angels in one codex.

That would be great.

I fits though.

One hand you have this super assault army Blood Angels then you have the Dark Angels who are highly mobile with bikes, landspeeders etc..

aka_mythos wrote:That was old fluff that was carried over, it lacks a real place in the time line. It also say 950 lost, not 50 survivors. If this occured before the legions were split up into chapters, 950 loss is not bad. Even still 950 included the entourage that composed the crew of their ships, servitors, and other non-marines. A strike cruiser carries 100 marines, but has several thousand crewmen.

I think the way SW have been done is exactly what any codex independent of the Space Marines (or Chaos Space Marines) book deserves and requires to be worth our time. If BA can achieve that same quality they deserve to be done.

it "happened" about 1000 years before the current 5th edition story timeline (basically, warhammer 39k). this previously unknown decimation of the chapter is probably the impetus for why the black rage has become more severe in the chapter as the editions of 40k roll on by. personally, i liked it better when the BA were relatively pure with a bit of a dark side and left the whole neutral to evil space vampire schtick to the fleshtearers. also, gw revamped (or simply screwed up) the fluff by naming another chapter master of the BA at the time of the event despite the fact that according to the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th edition BA codices Dante has been chapter master for over 1200 or 1400 years (i can't remember which one). hey, it's their fluff (and like george lucas and star wars) they have the right to screw it up.

gorgon wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I kinda hope not, really. A little vampirism here and there is okay I guess (like Dracula-looking Mephiston), but I'd prefer if they didn't go overboard.

I'd love to see BA get something conceptually strong like what SW got.

As I said in another thread, if I was writing it I'd downplay the vampiric stuff and play up the general sense of BA being a chapter slowly descending into madness. I just have this mental image of a sun setting on fading heroes in baroque armor that I think could be really powerful. I'd play up the sense of creeping doom, but also show them as heroically raging (if you will) against the dying of the light...even though the end is inevitable. I also think there's some room there to do something interesting with the Flesh Tearers and show them as the ultimate expression of this doom. Deep within their fortress-monastery on Baal, I can envision the great marble statue of Sanguinius weeping tears of blood for what's befallen the Flesh Tearers and what will someday befall all his children...

Would be a cool way to present the Blood Angels, though IIRC the fluff from Space Hulk made it sound as though the Veterans were getting better at resisting the Black Rage, giving hope to the Chapter.

I wonder who got the job for BA? Mat Ward would seem to be next up.

Wasn't he the same guy who did Daemons for Fantasy? I thought he was conscripted into working on the Necron codex...

warboss wrote:it "happened" about 1000 years before the current 5th edition story timeline (basically, warhammer 39k). this previously unknown decimation of the chapter is probably the impetus for why the black rage has become more severe in the chapter as the editions of 40k roll on by. personally, i liked it better when the BA were relatively pure with a bit of a dark side and left the whole neutral to evil space vampire schtick to the fleshtearers. also, gw revamped (or simply screwed up) the fluff by naming another chapter master of the BA at the time of the event despite the fact that according to the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th edition BA codices Dante has been chapter master for over 1200 or 1400 years (i can't remember which one). hey, it's their fluff (and like george lucas and star wars) they have the right to screw it up.

I can understand that it's their fluff... but in this way the BA's have been represented as a bunch of no goodders, and as being a first foundation chapter this gets things worst from my point of view. It might be stupid, but "ruining" backgrounds like this, could lead to a "hate" on the develepors from the old gamers. In my city on old Ork player refused to play again with the new codex because he was forced to make massive waves and an old BA player, reading the Space Hulk fluff was a bit angry about it.

I know , these are stupid facts, but maybe (sometimes) a background makes the difference.

KOS wrote:could lead to a "hate" on the develepors from the old gamers

Gamers hating the devs? That could never happen.

KOS wrote:I know , these are stupid facts, but maybe (sometimes) a background makes the difference.

i agree, which is why i said they screwed it up and i preferred the previous version more. unfortunately, all we can do is post in the occasional thread our opinions (which don't do much) and vote with our wallets. i just wanted to clarify the retcon fluff for the previous poster. GW did a poor effort with the BA in 4th and 5th edition in my opinion. my response? i'm using the SW rules to make an assaulty chapter and refuse to buy any additional GW models in the effort. In fact, the only models i'm purchasing are plastic prepainted wolves from WOTC to fill in some stuff that i can't covert using my existing models and my bits box. if they're not going to support one of my armies with models and/or rules then i won't support them.

The best news about this is that GW could possibly be releasing two 40k codexes in the same quarter. There's hope that next year we see at least 4!

Flashman wrote:Not liking for the current trend for "ancient culture/mythology but in space" Marines.

So far we have...

Romans in Space (Ultramarines)
Monks in Space (Dark Angels)
Vikings in Space (Space Wolves)
Mongols in Space (White Scars)
Knights in Space (Black Templars)
Dragons in Space (Salamanders)

And now we will have as clearly indicated by the Space Hulk Terminator Sergeant, Vampires in Space!

Daft

Where have you been? This isn't a current trend.

That is how they have been since at least 2nd edition.Well, except Black Templars, but they date back to the Armageddon book.

At any rate, its not new.

Well with the popularity of Twilight, what did you expect?

Just waiting to see if we get our first real female Marine

There is an old RT model of a female in power armor. Supposed to be a Librarian, back when the horned skull shoulderpad was a Librarian thing, and not an Exorcists Chapter thing.

I think she was carrying a sword, and wither a book or a bolter.

My dad has one in the old black DA scheme. I'll pop a pic up someday.

pombe wrote:
Native American Monks in Space (Dark Angels)

*facepalm*

And don't forget their Primarch had a little secret...

JonnyDelta wrote:There is an old RT model of a female in power armor. Supposed to be a Librarian, back when the horned skull shoulderpad was a Librarian thing, and not an Exorcists Chapter thing.

I think she was carrying a sword, and wither a book or a bolter.

My dad has one in the old black DA scheme. I'll pop a pic up someday.

There were two of 'em actually...

Vale,

JohnS

skrulnik wrote:

Flashman wrote:Not liking for the current trend for "ancient culture/mythology but in space" Marines.

So far we have...

Romans in Space (Ultramarines)
Monks in Space (Dark Angels)
Vikings in Space (Space Wolves)
Mongols in Space (White Scars)
Knights in Space (Black Templars)
Dragons in Space (Salamanders)

And now we will have as clearly indicated by the Space Hulk Terminator Sergeant, Vampires in Space!

Daft

Where have you been? This isn't a current trend.

That is how they have been since at least 2nd edition.Well, except Black Templars, but they date back to the Armageddon book.

At any rate, its not new.

Actually, if memory served, in second edition, you had:
Ultramarines
Space Wolves
Angels of Death (Dark Angels and Blood Angels)

That was it. If you wanted a different chapter, you painted Ultras a different color.

3rd edition introduced Index Astartes where you had rules for chapters like White Scars, and the Armageddon codex for Sallies and Templars (the Templars were a codex chapter in 2nd edition).

4th brought the Templars a full codex due to their popularity at the strength of their Armageddon list.

Back OT, I'm with Gorgon, I'm hoping they do something thematic with BA, and really make their models detailed, as the BA are described as artisans as well as warriors. Baroque, filigreed armor, really fancy stuff all around would be nice. Although, I'm a Flesh Tearers player, and am just hoping that I get a codex out of it that I can 'customize' to my idea of the Tearers.

I know many people don't like some of the BA novels, but I thought Red Fury was a decent window into the various BA successors and their relationship to the Blood Angels themselves.

gorgon wrote: And not to turn this into a Gav-bash...

Aww... why not?

Hurray! Another marine codex. A true assault army as well eh? Oh that is impressive. However, I doubt a new codex can do anything to the Blood Angels that will make them superior to stormboyz.

I hope it's real and not far away after i build my tyranids up after the new codex. Will be nice to see whats marines are better then go with them. I like space wolves and blood angels would have to have some great fluff and army to sway me.

Are there already some news or rumors about the contents of the new BA 'dex?

dietrich wrote:The best news about this is that GW could possibly be releasing two 40k codexes in the same quarter. There's hope that next year we see at least 4!

Stop dreaming... GW didn't release more than 2 Codexes a year since 2000. Except Daemons, but that was just a book and 1 new plastic sprue tacked onto a Fantasy release slot.

I wonder why GW has so less game designers.
Are these guys so expensive?
Or is it just the internal organization of GW that cannot deal
with more than 2 or 3 army books and codices per year?

Are they expensive... probably at the level of middle management... but they have fewer designers simply because they keep leaving GW and there really isn't a place for GW to look to replace them. It seems at the moment GW is producing more than their marketting people will actually let them put out. There actually is alot coming out of games workshop and a lot being worked on.

wuestenfux wrote:Are these guys so expensive?

I hope not, because judging by their work GW is getting ripped off.

Sidstyler wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Are these guys so expensive?

I hope not, because judging by their work GW is getting ripped off.

No, I think not.
It's like aka_mythos said.
Its more a problem of the internal structure and organization of GW.