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The other part of that is that technology has allowed their designers to do more work in less time. Rather than using that time saving to produce more, GW simply doesn't need as many designers to do as much and since they're producing more than they can release each month, why bring on new people at a time when overhead is killing your profit margin.

warboss wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:That was old fluff that was carried over, it lacks a real place in the time line. It also say 950 lost, not 50 survivors. If this occured before the legions were split up into chapters, 950 loss is not bad. Even still 950 included the entourage that composed the crew of their ships, servitors, and other non-marines. A strike cruiser carries 100 marines, but has several thousand crewmen.

I think the way SW have been done is exactly what any codex independent of the Space Marines (or Chaos Space Marines) book deserves and requires to be worth our time. If BA can achieve that same quality they deserve to be done.

it "happened" about 1000 years before the current 5th edition story timeline (basically, warhammer 39k). this previously unknown decimation of the chapter is probably the impetus for why the black rage has become more severe in the chapter as the editions of 40k roll on by. personally, i liked it better when the BA were relatively pure with a bit of a dark side and left the whole neutral to evil space vampire schtick to the fleshtearers. also, gw revamped (or simply screwed up) the fluff by naming another chapter master of the BA at the time of the event despite the fact that according to the 2nd/3rd/4th/5th edition BA codices Dante has been chapter master for over 1200 or 1400 years (i can't remember which one). hey, it's their fluff (and like george lucas and star wars) they have the right to screw it up.

According to the Codex: Angels of Death, he has ruled the Blood Angels for over 1,100 years! So he's mad freaking old.

lord_blackfang wrote:Stop dreaming... GW didn't release more than 2 Codexes a year since 2000.

Ummm... you're wrong. Orks(Jan), Dark Angels(March), and Chaos(it was either July or August) all came out in 2007. That's 3 full codecii in one year and 7 years past 2000.

GW really stepped in it with the Space Hulk background.

But then again, I'm not 100% it is 'canon' anyway, so...

That space hulk background was written for the original edition of space hulk before a timeline or chapter size had been established.

Even still if a first founding chapter were wiped out or nearly wiped out the loss of face to the imperium would be too great, they would do everything to restore the chapter to full strength. In this instance I could easily imagine the surviving Blood Angels restoring their ranks by taking a handful squads from each of their second/third/etc founding chapters. This wouldn't be too far out there of an idea and could easily be a contingency plan within the Index Astartes, maintiaining supremacy of the progenator chapters.

aka_mythos wrote:That space hulk background was written for the original edition of space hulk before a timeline or chapter size had been established.

Even still if a first founding chapter were wiped out or nearly wiped out the loss of face to the imperium would be too great, they would do everything to restore the chapter to full strength. In this instance I could easily imagine the surviving Blood Angels restoring their ranks by taking a handful squads from each of their second/third/etc founding chapters. This wouldn't be too far out there of an idea and could easily be a contingency plan within the Index Astartes, maintiaining supremacy of the progenator chapters.

Sounds exactly like the plot line of the rather forgettable Blood Angels series of books out now, especially the last book!

Once again though, GW's lack of good editorial staff rears its ugly head.

For a company so obsessed with its IP (as they should be!), they don't do nearly as good a job maintaining it as they should, or could...

Plat I don't remember Orks being released before Dark Angels. Are you sure it wasn't Eldar?

I was hoping that the BA book would be a return of the 2nd ed Angels of Death codex that had both BA and DA in it but I guess it's not to be.

Ozymandias wrote:Plat I don't remember Orks being released before Dark Angels. Are you sure it wasn't Eldar?

It was Eldar.

2007 saw Eldar, Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines... and Apocalypse as the supplement.
2008 saw Orks, Chaos Daemons and Space Marines... and Assault on Black Reach (5th Ed 40K) and Apocalypse Reload.
2009 saw Imperial Guard and Space Wolves... and Planetstrike, Planetary Empires and Space Hulk.

Edit: And 2010 will have at least 3 Codices, I'm still yet to hear whether the 4th one is final quarter 2010 or first quarter 2011.

Predictions:

2010 will see Nids, Blood Angels, Tau
2011 will see Necrons, CSM, Eldar
...

wuestenfux wrote:Predictions:

2010 will see Nids, Blood Angels, Tau
2011 will see Necrons, CSM, Eldar
...

No Dark Eldar? hurray!!!

@wustenfux: I generally agree with your guesses, though I'd like to see Chaos Legions in 2010 (replacing Tau), followed by Chaos Guard in 2011 (replacing CSM).

olympia wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Predictions:

2010 will see Nids, Blood Angels, Tau
2011 will see Necrons, CSM, Eldar
...

No Dark Eldar? hurray!!!

Well, I guess that DE will not be considered.

@wustenfux: I generally agree with your guesses, though I'd like to see Chaos Legions in 2010 (replacing Tau), followed by Chaos Guard in 2011 (replacing CSM).

@John: not sure what you mean with Chaos Guard.

@wustenfux:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@wustenfux:

So what?

I'm a long time BA player - my first squad coming from "box set 01" in Rogue Trader days, using "terracotta" paint. *sigh*

I don't see much in the way of rumour here. The .pdf codex fills the gap, surely a bit of time spent playtesting and a new codex could easily be published. Then were simply talking about new SW-style squad embellishments. Hell, some of the SW special character models haven't even changed, have they? I'm just looking forward to nice models - like the Hulk and FW bits. I'd happily wait if that meant a new codex/army for serious non-marine players. I already have more than enough to paint.

I think the old "stereotypes" have always fallen into what people want to see for themselves. Some see werewolves, some see Norse. Some see vampires, I see blood letting and blood sacrifice. All sorts of cultures have indulged in human sacrifice and flesh and blood drinking (actual or symbolic, holy communion anyone? *ahem*).

I guess if you have a burning desire to see cool sexy vampires, you're going to see cool sexy vampires. My daughter is obssessed by the cool sexy vampires of Twilight and the thought of being an evil 600 year old dead thing hasn't occured to her because it's not cool or sexy. But you swallow a chunk of your squad mate's flesh after he's blown to bits by a grenade, oooooh, suddenly you've gone too far. Not cool or sexy.

skrulnik wrote:

Flashman wrote:Not liking for the current trend for "ancient culture/mythology but in space" Marines.

So far we have...

Romans in Space (Ultramarines)
Monks in Space (Dark Angels)
Vikings in Space (Space Wolves)
Mongols in Space (White Scars)
Knights in Space (Black Templars)
Dragons in Space (Salamanders)

And now we will have as clearly indicated by the Space Hulk Terminator Sergeant, Vampires in Space!

Daft

Where have you been? This isn't a current trend.

That is how they have been since at least 2nd edition.Well, except Black Templars, but they date back to the Armageddon book.

At any rate, its not new.

It was there in the background and the iconography, but it was subtle. Now with Space Wolves, it is quite blatant as reflected in the rules, unit choices and miniatures.

40k is this big ball of fantasy driven sci-fi... the Emperor produced all the geneseed for the space marines... nothing says one way or the other but maybe he put some DNA of some super human creatures he found on Earth or based his reasearch on the myths of those creatures.

@wustenfux: I generally agree with your guesses, though I'd like to see Chaos Legions in 2010 (replacing Tau), followed by Chaos Guard in 2011 (replacing CSM).

Replacing CSM!!
Woah woah woah Some of us like playing regular CSM although it is a challenge without all the beardy 4th edition goodies.

Church1313 wrote:

@wustenfux: I generally agree with your guesses, though I'd like to see Chaos Legions in 2010 (replacing Tau), followed by Chaos Guard in 2011 (replacing CSM).

Replacing CSM!!
Woah woah woah Some of us like playing regular CSM although it is a challenge without all the beardy 4th edition goodies.

It's more likely that his prediction was similar except for the placement of Tau and CSM, and was simply replacing them.

cygnnus wrote:

JonnyDelta wrote:There is an old RT model of a female in power armor. Supposed to be a Librarian, back when the horned skull shoulderpad was a Librarian thing, and not an Exorcists Chapter thing.

I think she was carrying a sword, and wither a book or a bolter.

My dad has one in the old black DA scheme. I'll pop a pic up someday.

There were two of 'em actually...

Vale,

JohnS

I actually aquired one a few months back. They are the old Sisters of Battle. Man face, sword, bolter, power armor and a fantastic ass. Go figure.

Wehrkind wrote:I actually aquired one a few months back. They are the old Sisters of Battle. Man face, sword, bolter, power armor and a fantastic ass. Go figure.

Apparently, burning the witch is good for your glutes!

New vampires in space. Should make the twilight, black overcoat crowd happy.

augustus5 wrote:New vampires in space. Should make the twilight, black overcoat crowd happy.

I think you've cracked the code.

Dark Angels - marines in robes
Templars - marines in tabards
Space Wolves - marines in furs

and next

Blood Angels - marines in trenchcoats!

By jove, I think he's got it...

And, since I'm not a big fan of how 'overdone' vampires are lately, we all know that will be the part that GW will play up, to appeal more to their tween audience. Sigh. I hope for once GW takes the high road. Oh, what am I saying, nevermind

Church1313 wrote:

@wustenfux: I generally agree with your guesses, though I'd like to see Chaos Legions in 2010 (replacing Tau), followed by Chaos Guard in 2011 (replacing CSM).

Replacing CSM!!

Replacing CSM in the schedule for the year in question

You need to keep the context.

Cruentus wrote:

Blood Angels - marines in trenchcoats!

By jove, I think he's got it...

And, since I'm not a big fan of how 'overdone' vampires are lately, we all know that will be the part that GW will play up, to appeal more to their tween audience. Sigh. I hope for once GW takes the high road. Oh, what am I saying, nevermind

I think we're fairly safe from Marines in trenchcoats. Just expect lots of pointy teeth, ornate chalices and stylised blood drops.

Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Plat I don't remember Orks being released before Dark Angels. Are you sure it wasn't Eldar?

It was Eldar.

2007 saw Eldar, Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines... and Apocalypse as the supplement.
2008 saw Orks, Chaos Daemons and Space Marines... and Assault on Black Reach (5th Ed 40K) and Apocalypse Reload.
2009 saw Imperial Guard and Space Wolves... and Planetstrike, Planetary Empires and Space Hulk.

Edit: And 2010 will have at least 3 Codices, I'm still yet to hear whether the 4th one is final quarter 2010 or first quarter 2011.

Eldar came out in 2006. First ever 'Dex I bought was Eldar in october 06.

I want Pics of these new sprues. Should be interesting to see what they do...

Vampire marines! Quick, someone photshop the kid from Twilight into some power armor! Or - better still - John C. Reilly, since apparently he's a vampire now.

So sick of bloody vampires at the moment. Can't turn on your TV, go into a bookshop, visit the cinema without being faced with somebody's pet vampire project that somehow managed to get published/made into a film.

Bloody Joss Whedon, it's all his fault...

Agreed, werewolves are much more interesting, spent many a night playing werewolf the apocalypse 2nd ed !

There is a werewolf movie coimng out in the next few months. Benecio Del Toro and Anthony Hopkins... WOLFMAN! *insert thunder*

Both werewolves and vampires are overdone. Hollywood ruins them by trying to distort and "sexy" them up. Right up there is the idea of a half-vampire or half anything... get the benefits, none of the downsides, but twice the angst. Alright, so vampires are supposed to be alluring, but only up until the point where they bite your throat open and guzzle on you like a jumbo sized coke. *Hollywood hate rant off*

I hope GW can come up with something more to add to the BA background that is less vampire. Ritual canabalism is so in this year.