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Calm down grasshopper.

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ShumaGorath wrote:Population will not stabilize, mass starvation and environmental destruction will lead to draconian measures on food and water control, lack of resource will take care of the rest. After that who knows how people will handle things, but in all likelihood it will be much more socially acceptable to control population than it seems now. Freedom doesn't work forever.


Righto.

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Agreed. It takes a strong mind to tackle these problems and solve them.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

The evidence shows that overpopulation is cured by two things.

1. Women gaining control of their fertility.
2. People becoming richer and moving away from a subsistence level economy.

The reasons are:

A. Most women don't actually like being a baby farm. It's like being the Alien Queen in Aliens, except with a lot more work and a lot fewer perks.

B. For the fathers, once you can be sure your children will survive childhood, and you can't employ them on the farm, you need to pay for their education instead. They become a financial liability. That's why nearly all first world nations are actually suffering from low birth rates.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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Are there any Zen techniques to defeat being totally pregers? I think moer peops will drink green teas and hibernates. : )

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I'd just like to point out that since my state has a population of half a million, I feel safe for the moment.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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What if all hte womens suddenly started pouring out quintiplets? I am telling you right now that's lots and lots of diaper rash happening.

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Ugh, for once I have to agree with Albatross


OMG - That's it, if Fateweaver agrees with me I'm changing my mind before I turn into a right-wing lunatic who polishes his gun more often than he brushes his teeth.


(damn, I need to up my med intake).


Be my guest, in fact, take the whole bottle.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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I brush twice a day my teeth and I don't ever recall polishing my gun more than that.

Exactly WHICH gun are we talking about Albatross.

--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”


 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:I'd just like to point out that since my state has a population of half a million, I feel safe for the moment.


It's actually smaller if you count the heads and divide by two.

To be honest, some people ARE only alive because it IS illegal to kill them.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

That is not dead which can eternal lie ...

... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
 
   
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Green Blow Fly wrote:If you think about it the majority of all the world major problems such as pollution all stem from over population. So by solving the over population problem it would also automatically solve a lot of other problems as well.

G


Except the areas with the greatest population density are not the greatest consumers of resources, nor the greatest polluters. The primary driver of both of those is industrialisation.


Green Blow Fly wrote:I find it funny people are okay with all the suffering in the world because the thought of enforced birth control and sterilization makes them feel bad. If you live in a nice place you never have to see any of the suffering... Don't think about it and everything is suddenly alright again. It reminds me of people that keep their pets alive long past their natural life span because they would feel bad if they had the pet put under.

G


It hasn't nothing to do with feeling bad, and everything to do with not solving the proble. China has had their one child policyl, but the poor are still very poor, and the country is polluting more than ever. I can't say this clearly enough, the problem with your idea isn't that it is too tough and so people shy away from it, the problem is that it's a really bad idea that won't help with any of the problems you think it will.

Green Blow Fly wrote:So is it better to let the third world to continue to swell? How many of you have been in actual third world slum? I have driven through the largest shanty town (Bombay) several times... You can't even begin to imagine the suffering you'll see and there's not really much you can do. Why is it bad to sterilize people living in these circumstances?

G


Yeah, I've been through the slums of Calcutta. But I've also done more than look around and then navel gaze afterwards. I've heard talks from leading sociologists talking about population. Funny thing is there are three powerful controls for population - women's rights, education and social welfare. These three things will birth rates from ludicrously high levels to lower than the death rate in a generation, and this has a real, observed effect.


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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Not when there's people with cash to pay for Drugs.


No, that's a fail. The drug dealer himself will probably only take cash, but a market quickly forms where third parties will buy the vouchers at discount, then on-selling them for full redemption by grocery stores. The welfare recipient ends up with cash, and now there's another black market out there.

On the other hand, work for the dole schemes have been quite effective at getting people back into the workforce. Providing the emphasis is on building skills and the confidence of the welfare recipient, not shaming them publicly. So, why not just talk about the programs that actually work?


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chromedog wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:I'd just like to point out that since my state has a population of half a million, I feel safe for the moment.


It's actually smaller if you count the heads and divide by two.

To be honest, some people ARE only alive because it IS illegal to kill them.


Some? Most? All?

I mean, if I had a gun that could shoot through the internet...

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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sebster you are out of your tree.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:sebster you are out of your tree.

G


Well, it's hard to argue with such a substantive, considered opinion. Good work, GBF.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:First of all, you are now warned this thread is likely to be highly contentious. If you feel you are incapable of doing so in a dispassionate, mature manner, please do not contribute.

So, looking into the future, what becomes readily apparent? To me, two things.

1) We have already over populated the world.
2) Crime seems to be getting out of hand.

Despite being a lefty liberal, I can only see extreme measures sorting out these particular problem.

For the first, Birth Licenses for all. You want to have a kid, then you had better prove you can support it and pay for it yourself, otherwise no sprog for you. Easyish to achieve, as you add contraceptives to the water supply, and once you are licensed, you receive a drug which reverses the effects. Simple and effective. If applied globally, the requirements for a License would need to vary. After all, if we applied purely Western levels of provision, nobody in the 3rd World would ever be granted a license.

As for the other? Move towards Judge Dredd style instant justice. It seems ludicrous to me, and a total waste of time that in the modern age trials can take so long. Even when criminals are caught red handed, they still get a trial. Now I'm not advocating a change to innocent untl proven guilty, but if you are caught midway through beating the daylights out of someone, you have clearly broken the Law, and should be incarcerated immediately. No more soft touch Policing. Caught with illegal Drugs? Off to the slammer. Rapist, Murderer, Paedophile? This is Mr Gibbett, and he'd like to get to grips with you. Obviously, where the death sentence is applied, a full and rigorous trial is necessary, unless you are literally caught up to your nuts in someone you shouldn't be. Kind of hard to argue innocence when you blatantly have just diddled that kid....

So, what do you think? Do we need progressively harsher treatment as the world itself gets harsher? Please feel free to discuss my ideas, present your own ideas, and indeed discuss the moral implications of the various ideas put forward. Just. Keep. It. Civil.


wow this was the most insane and lunatic thing i've ever read...let me tell you something about LIFE:

1)you only got ONE
2)which means you are FREE to do whatever you want to do without physically or psychially harming someone...

if anyone says thats wrong, i have a desert eagle under my pillow and i will stand in front of your door in 30 minutes...



 
   
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Wait, what?
Serious thread?

It's quite surprising to find people whos argument is literally, entirely GET-A-JOB. Wow. Clap, clap, clap. In this economic time, if that really is the smartest argument you can think of I laugh at you. It's NEVER that simple.

However, ration books did sound like a good idea.

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Even in this climate, it is that easy. Jobs are out there. And the Jobs are there to be done.

It is no coincidence that the long term unemployed are also the ones complaining about Immigrants 'coming over here. Taking all our jobs'.

Perhaps, if you got off your mardyarse and took a job, any job, there would be less job for the 'Immigrants' to come and do. You know, like Streetsweeper, Jizzmopper etc. None of them are great jobs, but it's a job.

So how is it more complex than that? There are jobs. They refuse to work. They instead live on state handouts.

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For 3 easy payments of 19.99 you too can save the world by getting a damn job... of which there are a million or something...


 
   
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Young and unemployed? Looking to make some cash?

Gather up a bucket, sponge, bottle of mild detergent, and a chamois leather.

Then go round your neighbourhood offering an onsite hand carwash service. Charge under the going rate, and boom, a little cash in your pocket, a little pride in your heart.

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If that fails, grab some lemons, and make lemonade. I met a bloke who made a whole 5 dollars, and it only took him an entire day. If that isn't something to be proud of, I don't know what is.

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Nope, swap Chamois for a Ladder and Squeegee, and see about window cleaning.

And if you are claiming benefits whilst looking for a job, why not consider Charity Work in the meantime? Keep the braincells ticking over, and do some good for the world.

Other ideas include 'Wheelie Washers'. They come round and wash you bin for you, £2.50 a time. Sure it's not exactly something a kid can do (needing a Yute type vehicle to carry the watersupply and pressure washers) but it's a pretty high profit yield work.

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About to eat your Avatar...

I await your disregard of this article in it's entirety... try not to surprise me or anything mate.

Britain: Youth Unemployment Reaching Crisis Level

Seriously though, just go and get a damn job you lazy bastards, what the hell is wrong with you? You are worthless worms...

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(Don't delay, Call today! For only 3 easy payments on 19.99...)

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Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways

There was a system I read of once where each person is entitled to 3/4 of a child. Thus when two people had a child together, they would have enough "child points" for half of another child.

These child points could be traded through government markets for a fixed fee (depending on how many children you already had), which means that anyone who does not want children can get some money, and means that if people were to abide by the system (which probably would not happen in some cases unless there were suitable deterrents, or even manditory abortions for unsanctioned children), population would be gradually and fairly reduced to more sustainable levels.

It also means that if you want a large family, you will have to demonstrate that you can afford to pay for it, with the first set of points being "x", the next set of points being "2x", then 4x (or whatever) on an exponential scale.

   
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Interesting article that. In places, it does indeed back you up. And in others, backs me up.

First of all, I have no problem with the poor sods leaving University Education who cannot get a job in their field. First inaccuracy in the article crops up here though. UK Student Debts don't start getting paid back until you earn a specified annual wage (Think it's around £17k, would need to research that though).

This is harsh for them, as the jobs market they have entered is not of their making.

But it goes on, and I quote

The Trumpet wrote:The result is unrealistic expectations, and a nation unwilling to fulfill many of its manual job needs. To increase the number of university graduates without increasing the number of grad-level jobs reflects a short-sighted strategy.


A nation unwilling to fulfil many of it's manual job needs.

Well, isn't that telling. People see themselves as above certain jobs. Like shitshoveller, and instead do nothing. They don't want to sweep the streets, seeing it as below them, so they do nothing.

There is a large difference between those who CHOOSE to be unemployed, and those who FIND themselves unemployed. I'm going after the former, who as far as I'm concerned have no right to exist in this society.

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I left university just when the job market went south and have been temping for over a year in a job that, quite frankly, I am vastly over qualified for. However, I deliberately took a job somewhere that I could gain experience in an area that I want to work in (I work as a medical secretary in a hospital).

As a result, I am in line to hopefully get a 6 month training contract to do a job that I actually want to do, with the possibility of full time employment after that.

I've already helped run 3 sessions with patients which I think were quite successful and I am not actually even being employed to do it yet

   
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Nicely done geezer!

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Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways

Taken me well over a year of mind numbing temp work, but the end is (hopefully) near

   
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And that is an attitude nobody can criticise!

Hell, I'll do any job until I can find something more suiting.

Sir, my Hat is eternally doffed in your direction.

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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Interesting article that. In places, it does indeed back you up. And in others, backs me up.


Can you imagine, Wrex trying to be balanced...

A nation unwilling to fulfil many of it's manual job needs.

Well, isn't that telling. People see themselves as above certain jobs. Like shitshoveller, and instead do nothing. They don't want to sweep the streets, seeing it as below them, so they do nothing.


Sucks to be in a position where you are limited to a job in gak-shoveling or goo-mopping. The minimum wage indeed plays a role here, and the actual work environments do as well. People that are force into a life of shoveling gak, deserve to be able to make a substantial living (raising the minimum wage in essence), as well as the ability to work in a safe environment.

There is a large difference between those who CHOOSE to be unemployed, and those who FIND themselves unemployed.


I would like to see those numbers, but since I cannot trust government data... the cycle continues. No worries though, I have plenty of popcorn for myself.


 
   
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Minimum Wage in the UK rises every year. It's up to £5.80 now for over 23's. Get it up to £7 and we're rocking.

There is good reason for slowly raising it, as had they just gone straight for the jugular, and the higher amounts, many people would have been made redundant by companies who simply couldn't afford their workforce on such monies. Slowly increasing it works after a fashion, as the increased wage leads to increased spending (in theory at least) and thus makes it more affordable, as the cost is recouped (again, in theory) by suitably higher takings.

Trick is, to keep it above inflation lest it become an execise in futility.

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