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Love it want them(though personally I would file off the vents) but hot stuff.

Like the improvements to the skull helmet, especially the over lapping armour.

really looking forwad to thess and i will defo pick some up.

just interested in future head designs is there any cahnce of a wolf skull style one?

Lack of a jaw and artistic representation of a skull is fine.
My issue is that if you imagine a human(oid) head inside that helmet/mask, the helmet/mask's eye sockets are going to align with the wearer's nose.
You removed the jaw, but the wearer still has a jaw.
Even the GW Lemartes figure has some breathing unit where his jaw should be.

Nevertheless, the new sculpts really do look awesome. You have amazing skill as a sculptor and don't let my comments discourage you.

Its ok man, I appreciate your help on this matter.

But small anatomical errors are and will frequent, the only thing I can do about it is to put in a lot more time into the sculpts in order to correct a millimeter of anatomical error here and there and the end result will be much less things done.

As for the skull helmet, well looking at a GW space marine EVERYTHING anatomical-wise is laughable. Imagine the thin thighs and arms, how on earth is a super beefy space marine with over developed muscles ever going to squeeze in his arms and legs into those thin tubes?
Are the GW marines anorectic?

And the poor terminators with head and shoulders made to fit a gorilla?

I did the skull with a jaw but it simply did not fit into/onto a marine torso so I removed it and added some cabling there, it still looks like a death mask (I hope) on a helmet and the teeth will mostly be hidden inside the SM torso neck ring so it is made more with a practical eye rather then anathomically correct.

But As I learn maybe those things will come more naturally over time, it is people like you who point out these things that help me learn to do better and no matter how crappy or good I may be today, I would like to think that I can only get better tomorrow.

I think I love A..... My iron warriors will be very, very pleased =D Also, G looks good, might have to trim the spikes off though.....

just interested in future head designs is there any cahnce of a wolf skull style one?

Hmm, GW already sell those so I dont know really.
Maybe if enough people nag about them I can cook something up

The extra detail finishes off the skull helmet nicely.

You could make EVERYTHING anatomical correct if you make that true scaling kit.

Pyriel- wrote:

just interested in future head designs is there any cahnce of a wolf skull style one?

Hmm, GW already sell those so I dont know really.
Maybe if enough people nag about them I can cook something up

I was going to ask the same thing, I think he means something like Ulrik the Slayer's wolf skull helm, not so much the one that comes in the grey hunter box.

Don't know what demand would be like for them, since you really only need them for Wolf Priests, but I know I'd probably by at least 3.


Love the final result on the skull, btw. I intend to purchase these helmets when they come out.

Wolf skull helm, not a bad idea.

You should do whole minis of death guard and sell them. You would make a lot of money

Wow they look great I just mite buy some

You should do whole minis of death guard and sell them. You would make a lot of money

Hehe, I´d go back 3k in legal fees and even then I would probably learn that no matter how I do it it will violate IP and be illegal.

Looking awesome! The dome of the skull is still a bit tall if you ask me, but it doesnt stick out to me quite as much now that the design is clearly a mechanical helmet.

I totally agree with Pyriel's decision to lose the jaw, it will really allow some flexibility in positioning the head into the neck and shoulders of the model that aren't normally available. I have shaved many a chin in my day trying to fit a helmet into the collar in a more characterful pose.

Beamo wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:

just interested in future head designs is there any cahnce of a wolf skull style one?

Hmm, GW already sell those so I dont know really.
Maybe if enough people nag about them I can cook something up

I was going to ask the same thing, I think he means something like Ulrik the Slayer's wolf skull helm, not so much the one that comes in the grey hunter box.

Don't know what demand would be like for them, since you really only need them for Wolf Priests, but I know I'd probably by at least 3.


Love the final result on the skull, btw. I intend to purchase these helmets when they come out.

yes what this guy said

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:

Beamo wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:

just interested in future head designs is there any cahnce of a wolf skull style one?

Hmm, GW already sell those so I dont know really.
Maybe if enough people nag about them I can cook something up

I was going to ask the same thing, I think he means something like Ulrik the Slayer's wolf skull helm, not so much the one that comes in the grey hunter box.

Don't know what demand would be like for them, since you really only need them for Wolf Priests, but I know I'd probably by at least 3.


Love the final result on the skull, btw. I intend to purchase these helmets when they come out.

yes what this guy said

yes please and a terminator one

I've never liked Space Marines, but I like these helmets. They convey a sense of exactly what I think Space Marines should convey, but the official GW models rarely do. That is, they walk the fine line of looking sinister and imposing, without crossing into cartoon supervillain land or frat-boy-esque macho chest thumping.

Though I would probably file off the spike mohawks on G and E, because they fall off the fine line for me. But that looks easily done, and I can see how some people would like them.

...

So, it's been a couple of weeks. where are we in the grand scheme of being able to get these?

They were shipped to me monday, so still waiting for the Post office to get them to me.

Those are awesome except for the last one with the turtle shell on his head.

Reecius wrote:Those are awesome except for the last one with the turtle shell on his head.

They ended up changing that one. you can see the new, awesome head further in the thread.


Good to know, Chapterhouse. I'm looking forward to these.

Part the 1st:
Love all these marine helmets. Beautiful work!

part the 2nd:
Skull helmet is just astounding, especially turnaround time.

I have to put my marine project on hold now for that jetpack and these helmets you're doing. My wife has demanded I use these instead of the GW stock product.

These are quite goodl!

Specific commentary:
A - the "halo" doesn't match the vertical line of the facemask. Lose the halo and the helmet should have a longitudinal crease running from nose to nape.

B - this is very good, tho the mouth slit should be narrower and not go so high - remember, there's supposed to be a nose under there...

C - this is wierd having rebreather and mouth. Lose the mouth and make the rebreather cartridges round, not squished ovals.

D - the uneven spacing of the slits detracts from the design. Also, what are they slits for? Maybe just do a knight's thing, with slits that don't reach the bottom.

E - vagina face! Actually, the spikes are really good decoration. And again, can't you punch some plasticard to make your rebreathers round?

F - why doesn't the cross banding match the facemask - it's like two different concepts?

G - this has a mohawk biker vibe.

H - this looks like you carry the flat bit down to the facemask. Good! Also, the rebreathers look round. Bravo!

I - agree with the others that this concept would work far better as a hockey-style skull mask full frontal, rathr than the current design.

In many ways, it seems like you want to do helmets and facemasks separately, rather than as a unified concept. If you made them available mix & match, maybe that would be best?

I have to put my marine project on hold now for that jetpack and these helmets you're doing. My wife has demanded I use these instead of the GW stock product.

Gotta be the single best comment I have yet seen on dakka!
I know all about it as my gf keeps "demanding" I sculpt this and that, all for her own armies use of course and the best thing is she thinks shes very subtle about it and not do stuff solemnly for her own armies use

A - the "halo" doesn't match the vertical line of the facemask. Lose the halo and the helmet should have a longitudinal crease running from nose to nape.

Eh what?
The halo is 90 degrees to the imaginary line that goes from the nose to the back of the helmet.

B - this is very good, tho the mouth slit should be narrower and not go so high - remember, there's supposed to be a nose under there...

Hmm, I have no problem imagining a nose fitting inside the mask. None what so ever.

C - this is wierd having rebreather and mouth. Lose the mouth and make the rebreather cartridges round, not squished ovals.

Why, extra heavy duty rebreathers might come in handy on atmospheres that are to hard for the helmet grille to breathe through.
I actually used official Raptor fluff on that one so its 100% background correct.

(think it was raptors, a chapter that specializes in jungle warfare and had severe difficulties once due to the rebreathers failing in a too hostile atmosphere so the tecchies had to come up with additional stuff). I´m a fluff nut so most things I do have some kind of fluff anchor.

All rebreather cartridges are slightly "oval-led" at one side to add a look of symmetry to the helmet. Its deliberate.
The second reason was that round cartridges were a hindrance in what ways you can position the helmet on a torso since round ones extend further down and collide with the neck collar so nope, remaking them to round shapes aint gonna happen since it will spoil practical aspect of it.

D - the uneven spacing of the slits detracts from the design. Also, what are they slits for? Maybe just do a knight's thing, with slits that don't reach the bottom.

The inspiration for them come from the death guard IA.
Look and though shall find!

As said, I do very few things without fluff anchoring them somewhere.

E - vagina face! Actually, the spikes are really good decoration. And again, can't you punch some plasticard to make your rebreathers round?

Inspiration for the "face slit" can be found in HH art. Look and you will see for yourself.

And for the explanation for the not so round shape of the cartridges read above.

F - why doesn't the cross banding match the facemask - it's like two different concepts?

Que?
I see nothing not pleasing to the eye.
All angles are 90 and symmetrical to the helmet shape from above.
What cross bands do not match what face mask?

Do you mean to say the standard SM helmet also have a face mask that doesnt match with the top air intake?

G - this has a mohawk biker vibe.

Cool

H - this looks like you carry the flat bit down to the facemask. Good! Also, the rebreathers look round. Bravo!

Well, they arent
Bummer

I - agree with the others that this concept would work far better as a hockey-style skull mask full frontal, rathr than the current design.

I suggest you take a look at the resculpted version of the skull helmet and then complain about it anew as the first page skull helmet will not be the final one

In many ways, it seems like you want to do helmets and facemasks separately, rather than as a unified concept. If you made them available mix & match, maybe that would be best?

Dont blame me man, blame the HH artbooks, its the helmet-separate-from-facemask concepts there that inspired me. Sorry bad you dont like them but this is one aspect of the ancient pre heresy look.

I love the revision for the skull helmet. I never liked the GW Chaplains, because they were too much skull and not enough helmet. This though, is perfect.

Pyriel- wrote:

A - the "halo" doesn't match the vertical line of the facemask. Lose the halo and the helmet should have a longitudinal crease running from nose to nape.

Eh what?
The halo is 90 degrees to the imaginary line that goes from the nose to the back of the helmet.

And it should be replaced by a crease in-line.


[quoet]Dont blame me man, blame the HH artbooks, its the helmet-separate-from-facemask concepts there that inspired me. Sorry bad you dont like them but this is one aspect of the ancient pre heresy look.

I'm not blaming you. I'm critiquing you. There's a difference.

Basically you are criticizing the HH artbooks

Also, there's no need to be slavish to the HH artbooks.

If you didn't want criticism, sorry.

I´m not slavish at all, had I been they would be illegal to sell.

And sure I want criticism but that means criticism of the sculpt skills and new ideas, not criticism of the very pre heresy style I´m emulating since that is NOT of my doing.
You want to change and criticize the helmet + mask concepts for example then by all means go and criticize the artists that made and invented the concepts per se, not me that is trying to give the gaming community something they can touch that is inspired on said concept.

That, my friend is not criticism pointed in the right direction.

Besides I gave you all a time frame on suggesting changes to be made to the helmets, for example the skull one was altered by "your" request.
It is pretty pointless actually to start dishing out criticism and heavy suggestions one week AFTER the helmets are sent to casting wouldnt you say?

So next time I sure can and will listen to you but as long as the critique is pointed towards areas of my own doing and as long as I still have the things home so I can alter whatever you guys want to be altered.

They look awsome, I just want some more SW goodies

It's funny, but books, movies,and everybody else has to deal with post-production reviews.

But as I said, I won't make that mistake with you again. Sorry.

John,

You are ok, dont worry about it. I appologize for his replies.

Nick