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JohnHwangDD wrote:
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Kanluwen wrote:New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.

Guard has Kasrkin models for their Stormtroopers, so no update was needed.

The new Stormtrooper models are likely to be model-specific to, and released as part of Codex: Inquisition / Grey Knights (not C: Sisters of Battle), with new rules. That would make sense.

Then you'd be wrong, because the Stormtrooper green we saw way back when we saw the other Guard codex greens points them towards looking like the Kasrkin, just in plastic and with shotgun options for Grenadier Veterans.

Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.

Kanluwen wrote:Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.

How would it be stupid? It's a base Troops unit for Inqs vs an Elites for IG.

Thanks, Plat - quicker on the draw than I!

C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.

Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.

CadianXV wrote:I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that whilst a plastic Manticore will undercut FW sales, a plastic Nightspinner will do exactly the same...



I'm guessing the GW suits may have considered this.

This may be so, but I have a feeling that the Manticores and Nightspinners havn't been selling to well down at FW.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.

How would it be stupid? It's a base Troops unit for Inqs vs an Elites for IG.

It's a basic Troops unit for Inquisition now. We don't know that they'd remain Troops in a redone GK/Inquisition codex.

For all we know, they'd be a Fast Attack slot with jetpacks firing out of their arses.

JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.

Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.

Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.

yes i can finally expand my eldar force plus da warboss has hadd da dremz of takin down da floatie pointy eared humies big flyer thingys

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.

Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.

Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.

If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.

You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?

In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?

And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?

Really?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.

Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.

Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.

If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.

You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?

In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?

And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?

Really?

I point you at the Imperial Guard Veteran Squads v. Imperial Guard Infantry Platoons.

We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.

It's possible, but it's so far we can't say.

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.

Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.

Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.

If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.

You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?

In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?

And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?

Really?

I point you at the Imperial Guard Veteran Squads v. Imperial Guard Infantry Platoons.

We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.

It's possible, but it's so far we can't say.

But then you couldn't ake an all grey knights/Sob army, which they wouldn't do. Stop being the old man going "And another thing..."

So given that there's going to be a Nightspinner, presumably as part of an all-plastic Fire Prism kit, do you think we'll see a Firestorm sprue to round it off? The Demolisher got three variants, and some anti-aircraft (although Fire Prisms are AA in Epic) to go with anti-tank and anti-infantry would be peachy-keen.

Have we been told that we're getting a 'combined' IQ codex?

I though we were told we're getting Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sister of Battle?

Alpharius wrote:Have we been told that we're getting a 'combined' IQ codex?

I though we were told we're getting Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sister of Battle?

The louder elements of the rumor community point towards a combined Inquisition codex, with options to make 'pure' Chamber Militant armies via characters.

But nobody is saying much either way.

I gotta say that picture earlier makes it look quite cartoony.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The only point of FW continuing to exist at all is to have the early adopters pay for the basic model design via sales of limited edition resin variants.

Not really.

FW does their own thing and does things that GW will never do. FW has been a huge success. Why would they treat it only as a 'test bed' for products they want to do in plastic.


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Tim the Biovore wrote:I gotta say that picture earlier makes it look quite cartoony.

That's just the paint job. Friend of mine has a Nightspinner. They look really cool in person.

Alaitoc's color scheme has always been cartoony on vehicles. The blue and yellow makes it look like a movie tie-in toy, if it's not done properly or broken up with patches of white or handpainted runes.

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:
This may be so, but I have a feeling that the Manticores and Nightspinners havn't been selling to well down at FW.

Based on what information?

If the models haven't been selling, it would make more financial sense to simply discontinue them, rather than risk the expense of turning them into plastic, surely?

Or the moulds are about to die and rather than put money into renewing them, they can port them over to plastic 40K kits. In the case of the Manticore, it's in the Codex, so it makes sense, and then in the case of the Nightspinner, they can write a 'tank expansion' and include the rules with that (which is exactly what they're doing - using the rules to drive model sales, as always).

Kanluwen wrote:We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.

Actually, I think we've been told that it isn't going to be a combined Codex.

But plans can change, sure.

According to the 5th edition rulebook it'll be a single army book.

According to the thread title , this thread is about Eldar Night Spinners, not an Inquisition Codex. There are half a dozen other threads on that topic.

Kroothawk wrote:According to the thread title , this thread is about Eldar Night Spinners, not an Inquisition Codex. There are half a dozen other threads on that topic.

Nobody expects the Inquistion! (sorry, but you did tee it up)

Well here what i figured out from watching GW/FW marketing moves and heres how it is

Games workshop and Forgeworld are redeveloping there market stratagy and sharehold. GW seems to be making the models found in the codex's while Forgeworld seems to be more concentrating on units found in there Imperial armor books. Every new codex released so far has a ton of new models available for use in your core game. As expected GW releases a few new models when they release the codex. They also hold back model releases for certain events to keep people who play/collect the models to keep coming back to the store. This has a 2 fold effect, first this enables longevity of an army to more than the first month of its release for sales as well as it keeps sales at a constant level by having consumers make repeat visits to the store every couple of months vs a intial rush then the army does poorly after the intial release.

Manticore/Deathstrike Lets be honest its gonna be based of the chimera chasis. This is the standard platform for all support vechiles in the Imperial Guard. Although something different for looks would be nice, it doesn't fit properly with architecture of the imperial gaurd.

All models will go on pre-order the 10th of May.

BrookM wrote:All models will go on pre-order the 10th of May.

That will be awesome if true. Cannot wait!

GW Amsterdam put that in their newsletter today.

They didn't give a fully disclosed list of what would be preorder-able, though, did they?

I've heard from another source that the releases definitely are a new Russ, the Manticore/Deathstrike, Fire Prism/Night Spinner, and Eldar Support Weapon Platform. No Buggies, nothing else.

And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).

If that's it, I'm kind of sad. But the LRBT at least better have all the remaining variants.

Scottywan82 wrote:They didn't give a fully disclosed list of what would be preorder-able, though, did they?

Nope, otherwise I would've shared it. They probably already know, but like good peons they adhere to the rules.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).

They wouldn't dare pull that Basilisk stunt again, would they???