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Dash had good rolls, and his opponents had bad rolls. Plus the Necrons I believe suprised both players against whom Dash made them pay. If there is one thing a good general can do is make an opponent pay for mistakes, and Dash made both players pay for bad rolls and a few advantages his opponents could not neutralize.

seems to me that the wraiths can only assault out of the monolith the turn following the deep strike. teleporting a giant ziggurat onto the battlefield seems like movement to me, and deepstrike + teleport + assault seems broken to me.

hemingway wrote:seems to me that the wraiths can only assault out of the monolith the turn following the deep strike. teleporting a giant ziggurat onto the battlefield seems like movement to me, and deepstrike + teleport + assault seems broken to me.

Well yeah, and the fact that the FAQ says that you can't do it would pretty much wrap this argument up in a neat little bow.

Woot finaly you joined the Red Harvest all will flee before us um I mean you but gg hilarious game

Yeah....

Neither of my opponents were bad players. The Tau player was a bit rusty, but the Space Wolf player regularly fights me to draws, and sometimes a win. I'd count him as a gaming peer. To his disadvantage, he doesn't know Necron rules any better than I do. Also to his disadvantage, none of his dice rolls did what they needed to against my AV14.

Kevin949 wrote:

YmeLocSquirrel256 wrote:C'tan don't have the normal armour save, as the FAQs say...

Does a Wraith have both an armour save and
an invulnerable save?
A. Yes, a Wraith has a 3+ armour save and a 3+
invulnerable save.

This is for wraiths only. 4++ only folks!

It is not an issue for c'tan as it for wraiths anyway, and I know the FAQ is only for wraiths which is why I didn't apply it (at all) in my statement. Even still, there is nowhere that specifies they only have an invul save, just that they have one. And seeing as their stats are portrayed the exact same way as everyone else and they simply have a rule that states they receive an invul save, one could discern they do in fact have an armor save as well. Though it is a moot point for c'tan.

Still, either way, it's great you have the invulnerable save anyway, i was probably wrong, considering that i haven't played for aeons, and I was getting half of that info from the rulebook (which can sometimes be ).

And remember, dash, that everything except the lord's abilities comes as standard, so, apart from a good WBB roll, you can get kinda bored with them easily. And there isn't too much choice when it comes to units, either. Slightly more of a defensive army than an offensive army i'd say. None-the-less, there are some good tricks that help make your army even better, than compared to IG for example, with the consequence of high point prices, barely any wargear, so you can downgrade and get more models, and few choices of army, especially at an amateur, 500pt game. 1 choice only!

Me: All you get is (dakka darts commentator: let's! play! daaaarrttss!):

Me: 1 Necron Lord complete with Resurrection Orb (a must), and Warscythe (optional). - 150pts (audience: oooohhhhhh)

Me: 1 Necron Warrior x10 - 180pts (dakka darts commentator: one-hundred n' eighty!)

Me: 1 Necron Warrior x10 - 180pts (dakka darts commentator: one-hundred n' eighty!)

Me: You get the idea, power, but in large quantities for a large price, resulting in a small army. hth!

That's all folks! (dakka darts commentator: until next time...)


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Good luck Dash!

Just to throw in a couple of questions that seem apt.

Necron Warriors have a specific reserves rule in the Codex, if their held in reserve then they must come on via a portal. Would that not have meant that Dash couldn't have walked them on and should have brought them on via a 'lith?

WBB via portals. If a unit is wiped out, but due to a res orb and or nearby unit is allowed a wbb but fails. How does the portal work? IE which unit has to be pulled through to allow the reroll? A destroyed unit doesn't exist and can't be targetted, ergo can't be picked for teleportation and if you pick the 'supporting' unit then the downed Necrons might not be within 6"

Cheers

Andrew

That is ridiculous.

I think it's just that we expect (though we shouldn't but it's easy to do so) a higher level of play from Dash. Or at least a tighter game than this 'lol, wtf' fight, esp. with the recent Bat Reps he's been cranking out.

In addition, most of the 'vets' lets say, do not fudge up the rules so bad (even if Dash had put the disclaimer that he wasn't clear on rules......though IMO that's a big rules fudge-up with the C'Tan) and a good round of rolling is funny but I guess some people took the title as a bit rude to your opponents and somewhat misleading even with the Smiley face.

But honestly, my reaction to the C'Tan issue was: "really...did the opponents challenge this? Did you consult the codex/rulebook/ ask how to do it from the opponents?" It's just so...... off, that's it wierd. In addition, it could have been a big portion of why you won. You scared the crap out of them with a T8 MC that's not supposed to be in their face Turn 1...and the intent was for him to get there later in the game, allowing the opponent to decide where to allocate their shooting (do they deal with the C'Tan now, or later?, etc.).

So...... yea, I would rather see this sink and move on to waiting for a proper fight...


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@AndrewC:
I brought this issue up a bit ago.... I think they read the rules as you can choose between the two... but I'm not so sure that's the way it works out as you question.

Dashofpepper wrote:Deadshane....

I've said this repeatedly now:

I don't know the rules so well. I don't plan on playing Necrons competitively. I have enough bragging rights from the things in my signature block; this batrep was just a lolfest. It was fun to play, and ridiculous that I made 99% of my saves. I thought I would share. There's even a big smiley face in the title of the thread. The reaction I was after was, "Lol, wtf?!?"

Yea, but the whole point is, people READ your batreps...they're good. Lots o' pics, fun to read.

You may have 'just a little' responsibility to "get it right". These are BIG rules issues.

The first time I bump into a Necron opponent at a GT and he tries to deepstrike a monolith then 'port some guys thru after he first turn charges a Deceiver at me because "Dashofpepper did it on dakka" I'm coming over to your table and polishing off your Cap'n w/o asking.

Again, please consider this a 'Buddy' giving you sh!t.

P.S. finding the rules isnt that hard. Its just a Google "Necron FAQ" search away....

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180146_Necrons_FAQ_2004-08_5th_Edition.pdf

Dash, with all love, it does behoove a player to study his own codex and faq before taking it to tables and writing batreps.

You know I luff you.

Yeah, none of my trading partners were kind enough to trade me a codex with my models. >< I've got half of a ragged stapled together copy of a pdf that one of them gave me. =p And I don't know where it is, so we played from Necron rule memory.

I can't stress enough that this was an instance of "Dashofpepper has new toys" and friends were over to my house, so I put them down on the table!


Something I didn't mention: I had to proxy half the army. My wraiths are either not assembled yet or mismatched in color from trades. I had scarab swarms proxying as a few of them. My third monolith was a pink princess hat from Medieval Times. Ghazghkull Thraka played the part of the Deceiver.

I fully recognize that I didn't know their rules very well. I actually decided to GET Necrons because I figured they'd be better trade material than my Tau for getting Space Marines. Sanctjud, you won't see any proper Necron batreps; I've retired from writing them, and came out of retirement specifically for the Nova Open.

I like the new title.

Dashofpepper wrote:Sanctjud, you won't see any proper Necron batreps; I've retired from writing them, and came out of retirement specifically for the Nova Open.

/Sad Panda Face.

Dashofpepper wrote:
Something I didn't mention: I had to proxy half the army. My wraiths are either not assembled yet or mismatched in color from trades. I had scarab swarms proxying as a few of them. My third monolith was a pink princess hat from Medieval Times. Ghazghkull Thraka played the part of the Deceiver.

You werent playing WYSIWYG? You frigging cheezin' cheater!

Dashofpepper wrote:Yeah, none of my trading partners were kind enough to trade me a codex with my models. >< I've got half of a ragged stapled together copy of a pdf that one of them gave me. =p And I don't know where it is, so we played from Necron rule memory.

I can't stress enough that this was an instance of "Dashofpepper has new toys" and friends were over to my house, so I put them down on the table!

I fully recognize that I didn't know their rules very well. I actually decided to GET Necrons because I figured they'd be better trade material than my Tau for getting Space Marines. Sanctjud, you won't see any proper Necron batreps; I've retired from writing them, and came out of retirement specifically for the Nova Open.

Then...why bother writing this as a "battle report" and not just a thread in the discussion forum about how much fun you had playing necrons?

whitedragon wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Yeah, none of my trading partners were kind enough to trade me a codex with my models. >< I've got half of a ragged stapled together copy of a pdf that one of them gave me. =p And I don't know where it is, so we played from Necron rule memory.

I can't stress enough that this was an instance of "Dashofpepper has new toys" and friends were over to my house, so I put them down on the table!

I fully recognize that I didn't know their rules very well. I actually decided to GET Necrons because I figured they'd be better trade material than my Tau for getting Space Marines. Sanctjud, you won't see any proper Necron batreps; I've retired from writing them, and came out of retirement specifically for the Nova Open.

Then...why bother writing this as a "battle report" and not just a thread in the discussion forum about how much fun you had playing necrons?

Well you see.....if I were to just write a thread about how fun my Necrons were to play.....that would go in General Discussion. If I write a thread about a particular game, the development throughout, the tactics and units used IN the game to achieve particular ends.....well, that goes in a different forum called, "40k battle reports." If this thread offends you, feel free to GTFO.

AndrewC wrote:Just to throw in a couple of questions that seem apt.

Necron Warriors have a specific reserves rule in the Codex, if their held in reserve then they must come on via a portal. Would that not have meant that Dash couldn't have walked them on and should have brought them on via a 'lith?

WBB via portals. If a unit is wiped out, but due to a res orb and or nearby unit is allowed a wbb but fails. How does the portal work? IE which unit has to be pulled through to allow the reroll? A destroyed unit doesn't exist and can't be targetted, ergo can't be picked for teleportation and if you pick the 'supporting' unit then the downed Necrons might not be within 6"

Cheers

Andrew

No, they don't HAVE to come in through the monolith. It's in the FAQ on GW's website, you can choose. But, if you say they are coming in from the board edge or the lith, they HAVE to come in that way, you can't switch when their deployment time comes.

If that unit is 100% wiped out, you get no extra WBB for porting the "supporting" unit so any warriors that failed are gone.

My warriors will pretty much always walk on the board I think. If I need to later portal them onto an objective, but any initial portaling I think is always going to be reserved for wraiths.

However, I've got 6 tomb spyders now and three more in the mail to me.

Actually, you first two Warrior units (the compulsory ones) CANNOT come in by portal. The rule specifically says 'excess'.

The Grog wrote:Actually, you first two Warrior units (the compulsory ones) CANNOT come in by portal. The rule specifically says 'excess'.

You're mixing up pieces of the rules here.

The Codex says:

Necron Codex wrote:
Reserves: Any Warrior units in excess of the minimum required by the FOC for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a Monolith portal...

This allowed Necrons to reserve units in previous editions when it was not a default allowed condition (as it is in 5th edition). It is permitting you to reserve in any mission where you normally can't, not restricting you to just that method of reserve.

Dashofpepper wrote:Well you see.....if I were to just write a thread about how fun my Necrons were to play.....that would go in General Discussion. If I write a thread about a particular game, the development throughout, the tactics and units used IN the game to achieve particular ends.....well, that goes in a different forum called, "40k battle reports." If this thread offends you, feel free to GTFO.

Unsolicited hostility aside, my point was that if you had posted this in the Discussion forum, or even the tactics forum, you would have gotten alot less "scrutiny" over some of the finer points of the this particular game, such as the lack of a codex, the two players' skill levels, etc.

You could have then indeed focused more on the things you did learn, such as how well the wraiths, deceiver, and monoliths work.

pretre wrote:

The Grog wrote:Actually, you first two Warrior units (the compulsory ones) CANNOT come in by portal. The rule specifically says 'excess'.

You're mixing up pieces of the rules here.

The Codex says:

Necron Codex wrote:
Reserves: Any Warrior units in excess of the minimum required by the FOC for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a Monolith portal...

This allowed Necrons to reserve units in previous editions when it was not a default allowed condition (as it is in 5th edition). It is permitting you to reserve in any mission where you normally can't, not restricting you to just that method of reserve.

Exactly. Since the minimum number of warriors that you have to deploy at the beginning is zero, you may bring all warrior squads in excess of zero in through the Monolith.

Unless, of course, you are playing some kind of wacky scenario.

What? How is the minimum zero when you have to have 2 squads of at least 10 each?

I took it to mean that it was the minimum required to be deployed, not the minimum for the FOC. Maybe that's not right?

Back in the day you always had to start with 2 troops and a HQ on the board, but you don't anymore.

Monster Rain wrote:

pretre wrote:
The Codex says:

Necron Codex wrote:
Reserves: Any Warrior units in excess of the minimum required by the FOC for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a Monolith portal...

This allowed Necrons to reserve units in previous editions when it was not a default allowed condition (as it is in 5th edition). It is permitting you to reserve in any mission where you normally can't, not restricting you to just that method of reserve.

Exactly. Since the minimum number of warriors that you have to deploy at the beginning is zero, you may bring all warrior squads in excess of zero in through the Monolith.

Unless, of course, you are playing some kind of wacky scenario.

That is kind of convoluted and I'm not sure right.

Normal Missions in 5th Edition allow Reserves. Any Necrons brought in using normal reserve rules do not and cannot use the monolith to arrive. The monolith/warrior rules also allows you to designate Warrior squads as being in Monolith reserve.

If the mission does not allow reserves, normally no units can be put in reserve (either normal or monolith). But because they have a special rule, Necrons that are above your first 2 troops choices can be put in a special type of reserve that ignores scenario rules.

pretre wrote:

The Grog wrote:Actually, you first two Warrior units (the compulsory ones) CANNOT come in by portal. The rule specifically says 'excess'.

You're mixing up pieces of the rules here.

The Codex says:

Necron Codex wrote:
Reserves: Any Warrior units in excess of the minimum required by the FOC for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a Monolith portal...

This allowed Necrons to reserve units in previous editions when it was not a default allowed condition (as it is in 5th edition). It is permitting you to reserve in any mission where you normally can't, not restricting you to just that method of reserve.

This depends on what 'they' refer to. Since the entire previous sentence was about Warrior units in excess of the minimum, I believe 'they' also refers to Warrior units in excess of the minimum. Thus, only Warrior units in excess of the minimum (they) can arrive by portal.

Or: yet another unclear Necron rule.

I am uncertain if there really is a 'special portal reserves', but that seems easier.

The Grog wrote:

This depends on what 'they' refer to. Since the entire previous sentence was about Warrior units in excess of the minimum, I believe 'they' also refers to Warrior units in excess of the minimum.

This is horribly de-railing the thread, but no. Grab a copy of the codex and actually read the rules:

necron codex wrote:Reserves: Any Warrior units in excess of the minimum required by the FOC for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a Monolith portal. If there is no Monolith when the units become available, they will be forced to wait until a Monolith becomes available.

Any warriors which do not get deployed by the end of the game countas being destroyed for the purpose of calculating victory points.

Monolith section wrote:
If a unit of necron warriors is eligible to enter play from reserve (see the Necron Warriors entry) then they must emerge from the portal even if you would prefer to fire the particle whip. Only one unit of warriors can enter play from each monolith in a single turn. The Necron player can decide which.

The Warrior rule just allows you to put squads in reserves when you wouldn't be able to and is separate from the Monolith rule. The monolith rule (quite separately) allows you to pull reserved units through it.

If you want to dispute it further, can you start a YMTC thread?

Kevin949 wrote:

AndrewC wrote:Just to throw in a couple of questions that seem apt.

Necron Warriors have a specific reserves rule in the Codex, if their held in reserve then they must come on via a portal. Would that not have meant that Dash couldn't have walked them on and should have brought them on via a 'lith?

WBB via portals. If a unit is wiped out, but due to a res orb and or nearby unit is allowed a wbb but fails. How does the portal work? IE which unit has to be pulled through to allow the reroll? A destroyed unit doesn't exist and can't be targetted, ergo can't be picked for teleportation and if you pick the 'supporting' unit then the downed Necrons might not be within 6"

Cheers

Andrew

No, they don't HAVE to come in through the monolith. It's in the FAQ on GW's website, you can choose. But, if you say they are coming in from the board edge or the lith, they HAVE to come in that way, you can't switch when their deployment time comes.

If that unit is 100% wiped out, you get no extra WBB for porting the "supporting" unit so any warriors that failed are gone.

Not so sure about that last part. (Don't have the codex in front of me, and by the time I get home to double check I'll have forgotten this discussion). But if the one unit was completely wiped out, then the ones that stand up on the first WBB roll from that unit join the nearby unit that's providing the necron within 6" they need to qualify for WBB. It would seem that the ones you'd like to have stand back up get to teleport through the monolith to get a second chance, and because they have to join the unit that was closest, either they have to move closer to the unit providing the 'pattern', or the other unit that was next to them will teleport with them through the monolith, making one very large squad. This can get particularly troublesome, movement wise, with the addition of a tomb spyder. Where you can have models standing up, and joining a unit 6 feet away.

Dashofpepper wrote:Hey folks!
I've been assembling Necrons.

Are they going to be pink?