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Well, the tokens will give some buffs but they will eventually not be game-winning.

But ive noticed the MSU types are starting to die out pretty quick

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the tokens will give some buffs but they will eventually not be game-winning.

I think it kind of depends. I've seen some posts on various boards that the token count isn't a per-unit count, but an army wide count. For example, if a unit with StP destroys an enemy unit, then the army gains a token; thereafter, every StP unit gains the benefit.

That sounds too powerful to me, but some posters seem to think that's the way it is...

Saldiven wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the tokens will give some buffs but they will eventually not be game-winning.

I think it kind of depends. I've seen some posts on various boards that the token count isn't a per-unit count, but an army wide count. For example, if a unit with StP destroys an enemy unit, then the army gains a token; thereafter, every StP unit gains the benefit.

That sounds too powerful to me, but some posters seem to think that's the way it is...

This would clearly make a difference. Can't believe.

wuestenfux wrote:

Saldiven wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, the tokens will give some buffs but they will eventually not be game-winning.

I think it kind of depends. I've seen some posts on various boards that the token count isn't a per-unit count, but an army wide count. For example, if a unit with StP destroys an enemy unit, then the army gains a token; thereafter, every StP unit gains the benefit.

That sounds too powerful to me, but some posters seem to think that's the way it is...

This would clearly make a difference. Can't believe.

Need to see the specific rules text and batrep for a clear example.


Then Gwar's interpretation of how GW got their own rule wrong.

Anyone know if Ravagers and the like are going to be available in squadrons? Previous codices have certainly set this precedent for both tanks and skimmers.

Skarboy wrote:Anyone know if Ravagers and the like are going to be available in squadrons? Previous codices have certainly set this precedent for both tanks and skimmers.

Hard to say.

I'd be interesting to see how the Venom will fit into the army.
The Venom in the experimental Harlie codex of Gav Thorpe was a lighter version of the Raider with transport capacity: 6 men squad plus 1 IC.

Until shown otherwise i'm going to assume SiP is per unit. There's not much point in having counters if it's army wide, however army-wide would be simplier for counter allocation. For example, if on a unit by unit basis, who gets the counter after winning a multiple combat? Both? The one who caused the last wound/ sweeping advanced? Army wide solves this, but in a bad way IMO.

As for the Horde vs MSU debate, against Horde Dark eldar use mobility supremacy to get 2/3/4 units fighting each horde squad. Against MSU each unit holds its own, so DE can engage more enemy squads. Theoretically neither is any harder to face than the other, but turning theory into practice is where skill comes in.

A major question is how many competitive builds will be there in the new 'dex.
Raider spam will certainly work with the 'dex.
But how about a Haemonculi Coven?

Skarboy wrote:Anyone know if Ravagers and the like are going to be available in squadrons? Previous codices have certainly set this precedent for both tanks and skimmers.

What, you mean the Imperial Guard? As far as I can recall, their the only ones really...

wuestenfux wrote:

I'd be interesting to see how the Venom will fit into the army.
The Venom in the experimental Harlie codex of Gav Thorpe was a lighter version of the Raider with transport capacity: 6 men squad plus 1 IC.

I thought the Venom was an oversized Vyper?

thelordoflife wrote:But ive noticed the MSU types are starting to die out pretty quick

Maybe with this codex they will stay dead.

About the Venom, GW had a website showing how to convert a Venom from a Vyper.

wuestenfux wrote:A major question is how many competitive builds will be there in the new 'dex.
Raider spam will certainly work with the 'dex.
But how about a Haemonculi Coven?

Well, obviously it's too early for us to know, but I think we can make some semi-educated guesses.

It is likely that the Coven will still have access to warriors, the elite warriors, raiders, ravagers and scourges. Those should be able to make a decent enough mobile shooting element to the army.

The big question is going to come with how effective the revamped Grotesques will be in providing CC punch.

Is there any word on whether webway portals still exist?

Scott-S6 wrote:Is there any word on whether webway portals still exist?

A source on Warseer says yes, but he doesn't know the details

hopefully i can still field my webway portals and maybe drop the points down to 75.

Leggy wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Is there any word on whether webway portals still exist?

A source on Warseer says yes, but he doesn't know the details

I hope he's right, I've been designing a really cool webway portal for a while now...

Absolutionis wrote:I'm expecting a flavorful rule that Vect and his ex cannot be in the same army.

Maybe its like GN Captain Stern and his Nemesis and your ooppent gets a free (and very bitter) Dark Eldar Lady? Or extra points as alimony??
maybe she is why Vect no longer has a cool ride with female slaves..............


Hopefully she will get a cool model as well................

The new rules look good - no major issues thus far from the thread - looking forward to upgrading my army with some new models.

Interesting that Dracon now unit upgarde - wonder if you are limited to one Archon.......

Re Ex Wife
You don't suppose there will be an animosity roll that needs to be taken before each turn?

Maybe a 'Bitch-slap' special rule...

Maybe she comes equipped with a golf club and a squad of Lawyers - not sure about the stats for them.............

Mr Morden wrote:Maybe she comes equipped with a golf club and a squad of Lawyers - not sure about the stats for them.............

Well, if they don't include the "Prenuptial Agreement" special rule, then Vect is gonna be boned.

Archons are BS7 WS7?

Maybe WS7, but BS7 is overpowered.

I could see Lelith being anywhere from:

WS 8 BS 6 S3 T3 W3 I8 SV -/4+ LD 10

to

WS 10 BS 6 S3 T3 W3 I10 SV -/3+ LD10

If she gets a power boost like every other character she's going to be a beast. (Already the best point for point SC in the game imo)

Amaya wrote:I could see Lelith being anywhere from:

WS 8 BS 6 S3 T3 W3 I8 SV -/4+ LD 10

to

WS 10 BS 6 S3 T3 W3 I10 SV -/3+ LD10

If she gets a power boost like every other character she's going to be a beast. (Already the best point for point SC in the game imo)

If either of these stat lines are accurate I will field her just for the sole purpose of getting my Meph-fisting-on

Lokirfellheart wrote:Archons are BS7 WS7?

Maybe WS7, but BS7 is overpowered.

Surely that will depend on How much the Lord costs and the weapons available - previously only a Splinter pistol..... the 18" Blaster option is useful if same rules as previously (S8, AP, AV more than 12+ = 12) but don't see it as a dealbreaker yet ?

although I am surprised they are better than the Autarch..................

Lelith will be at least WS8 I8.

wuestenfux wrote:About the Venom, GW had a website showing how to convert a Venom from a Vyper.

It was the front of a Vyper slapped to a Raider.

If the venom is really in the codex, I think its safe to say its either a Raider variant or it will be something similar but smaller. If GW intends on bringing it into the Eldar codex then it could always be a unique model that incoporates the aesthetic common to both the Dark Eldar and Craftworlds. Making it a bit of a smaller sleeker raider. Distinguished similarly to how Jabba the Hutt's barge had the smaller skiffs zipping around it.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Anyone know if Ravagers and the like are going to be available in squadrons? Previous codices have certainly set this precedent for both tanks and skimmers.

What, you mean the Imperial Guard? As far as I can recall, their the only ones really...

For several generations there have been options for land speeders, killa kans, war walkers, etc. in squadrons. DE vehicles are light/cheap enough that I could see this option. Of course, for tanks (and Vendettas/Valkyries), the IG set that precedent and then the Tyranids allowed you to buy broods of Carnifexes, which are essentially the "tanks" of the Tyranid codex. It seems like something that, when it makes sense to the type of army, they are allowing. IG should have armored columns and/or air cavalry builds. Tyranids should have MC broods to open the way for the swarm. Point being, this seems like a trend, both from the nature of the game and sales, to allow folks to play with more vehicles and thus buy more kits. Now, they may not come in squadron form, but I wouldn't be surprised to see options/special character rules to allow, for example, additional Ravagers to be selected (such as purchasing 1-3 in a single force organization slot) or to allow them to be taken in different slots (such as a big mek or BA list taking dreads as troops). I would be surprised if there weren't some options in this regard to try to drive up sales and perhaps create alternative builds, but they may go the route of having different "patterns" of tanks (such as the rumored Slaughterer) that might make peeps buy more kits.

Mr Morden wrote:Surely that will depend on How much the Lord costs and the weapons available - previously only a Splinter pistol..... the 18" Blaster option is useful if same rules as previously (S8, AP, AV more than 12+ = 12) but don't see it as a dealbreaker yet ?

although I am surprised they are better than the Autarch..................

Well, the Autarch is a leader of men type...er, eldar, I mean.

The Archon is a straight up killer. (At least by fluff.)