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If you're looking for a bad army, I recommend non-mechanized Eldar.

I don't play a list like this one but I do use corteaz and what not. The plasma cannon servitors in his squad seem to really piss pound the enemy into submission, The psykers are GOOD, but they aren't GREAT. Granted you need a independent character in the squad for them to shoot properly so you can't spam them; but they are good none the less. 30 points cheaper then 8 psykers too.

The capturing objectives is a weakness in the list posted but a few tweaks (interceptors) and it CAN capture stuff. What I have been using with success is using interceptors to contest objectives I know I can't get, terminators to capture the objectives i've blasted the enemy off of, and whatever squads near me to capture my own.

The more a list is perceived as 'dangerous' the more people will focus on it, and alter their lists to combat it. My buddy I play frequently uses his 'peterson special' (3 HB attack bikes) and land speeder to widdle away at my henchmen squads till they are less of a threat. The psykers are good but once you kill 3-4 of them they lose their potency.

Can you draw LOS out of a vechile for "I knew you were coming" ?

I dont run any transports so , not sure if Corteaz can draw LOS out of a chimera.

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:Can you draw LOS out of a vechile for "I knew you were coming" ?

I dont run any transports so , not sure if Corteaz can draw LOS out of a chimera.

He's ability modifies shooting in the unit he belongs to, and a unit can shoot out of an vehicle with fireports. Chimeras have fireports that draw LOS from the turrret = Coteaz's ability draws LOS from the turret.

Bruteboss wrote: Chimeras have fireports that draw LOS from the turrret = Coteaz's ability draws LOS from the turret.

Hatch, not turret.

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:Can you draw LOS out of a vechile for "I knew you were coming" ?

I dont run any transports so , not sure if Corteaz can draw LOS out of a chimera.

Haha sorry man I just had to point it out...

The rule is called "I've been expecting you"

No worries, just thought it was funny.

Well dash, if you're interested in testing gk and you like underdog armies, would you mind testing the draigo wing all paly army? I really think this build has potential, but it isn't all that competetive. It would be cool to see how it ran with someone experianced behind the wheel.

I played a list like this the other day with my purifier spam army. It was hilarious watching the psykers try to activate on a "4" due to the reinforced aegis from my three psyflemen dreads.

I said it as soon as I saw the proto-dex; Monkey Bus is where it's at.

That Planet of the Apes list?

loota boy wrote:Well dash, if you're interested in testing gk and you like underdog armies, would you mind testing the draigo wing all paly army? I really think this build has potential, but it isn't all that competetive. It would be cool to see how it ran with someone experianced behind the wheel.

I don't like underdog armies, I like underdog codexes. Playing a crappy GK army when so much more potency is available in the codex doesn't fit my taste. I'm currently rampaging with Necrons - when they get their new codex, if they are super-powered....I'm not sure what I'll go to next. I can't go back to Tau because I traded them out. Probably not Sisters because they're supposed to be next. Maybe Eldar.

Dashofpepper wrote:

loota boy wrote:Well dash, if you're interested in testing gk and you like underdog armies, would you mind testing the draigo wing all paly army? I really think this build has potential, but it isn't all that competetive. It would be cool to see how it ran with someone experianced behind the wheel.

I don't like underdog armies, I like underdog codexes. Playing a crappy GK army when so much more potency is available in the codex doesn't fit my taste. I'm currently rampaging with Necrons - when they get their new codex, if they are super-powered....I'm not sure what I'll go to next. I can't go back to Tau because I traded them out. Probably not Sisters because they're supposed to be next. Maybe Eldar.

Ah. I see. I suppose I'll do it all my own then. Eldar would be a good choice then, yeah.

Dashofpepper wrote:

loota boy wrote:Well dash, if you're interested in testing gk and you like underdog armies, would you mind testing the draigo wing all paly army? I really think this build has potential, but it isn't all that competetive. It would be cool to see how it ran with someone experianced behind the wheel.

I don't like underdog armies, I like underdog codexes. Playing a crappy GK army when so much more potency is available in the codex doesn't fit my taste. I'm currently rampaging with Necrons - when they get their new codex, if they are super-powered....I'm not sure what I'll go to next. I can't go back to Tau because I traded them out. Probably not Sisters because they're supposed to be next. Maybe Eldar.

What about chaos? They suck atm....apart from those few uber FZORGLE builds.

Just out of interest, can I find you anywhere on RankingsHQ.com? If not dw about it.

Awesome list, its sad you cant try it out in real life, I suspect vassal has something to do with so many players conceding, but none the less, its a list no army wants to face. Those who say this list is weak against some enemies....what exactly does str10 ap 1 large blast NOT kill?

I playtested something similar but without the librarian and vindicare for another Venerable and Coteaz unit has less psykers and plasma cannons. You really don't want a strength 10 ap 1 shot scattering back on you while using Coteaz's anti deepstrikea bility.

Your list is probably better but a friend and I are going for a Planet of the Apes themed list with the Jokaero as the master apes with dreadnoughts as giant apes toting heavy guns (auto cannons) and psykers as slaves and Coteaz as the guy looking up into the sky. Hopefully she will be able to go to Nova and have it done by then. She is on the chopping block as NYC teacher so :(

Its a huge blow out versus random scrubs on vassal where your probably playing annihilation because thats what they want and they rage quit after getting half their stuff blown up on turn one even when you reserved it all and come on and wreck a lot of stuff.

Against actual good GT players and lists its a different story. The list lacks mobility so its actually hard to win a Nova style table corners or 5 objectives mission. Yes you shoot very well and wreck and kill a lot of stuff but those last 2 marines hiding behind that wreck of a Rhino are still holding that objective. Going second and reserving hurts this list quite a bit shooting wise and makes it more difficult to get to the middle objective / win table corners as you lose all your las cannon shots moving. Ending on turn 5 is terrible for this list. The psykers take a hit as most Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Space Marine lists have a hood they rushing you with.

My friend really doesn't care she's in it for winning best painted and a gunline suits her fine as its easier for her to play.

This list also has a bunch of what ifs about it.

First big debate about this list also is do dreadnoughts get to get cover from vehicles and shoot over them? Some vassal people said no you can't hid behind vehicles and shoot auto cannons. My real life magnetized dreads on resin bases it works fine but thats not a stock base so I made a you make the call thread.

Second debate is exactly how does Coteaz's anti deepstrike ability work. You put him in the corner to protect your objective and flank. Some outflanking scout bikes come on and zoom up to one inch away to Coteaz's chimera. Coteaz now has problems seeing them from the fire point and they have a cover save at the very least if Coteaz can see them. Does Coteaz fire at them in that position right next to his chimera or immediately when they come on the board? Next to the chimera they get cover save and the blasts have a high chance of scattering back on the chimera. if they get shot at the board edge they might not get cover and there is less risk to Coteaz.

Jaon wrote:
Just out of interest, can I find you anywhere on RankingsHQ.com? If not dw about it.

I believe Dash is currently ranked #7 overall on RankinsHQ.com.

Awesome list, its sad you cant try it out in real life, I suspect vassal has something to do with so many players conceding, but none the less, its a list no army wants to face. Those who say this list is weak against some enemies....what exactly does str10 ap 1 large blast NOT kill?

It is a gimmicky list that will either kill the enemy or probably get killed themselves against any army with psychic defense. I would play it for fun, but if I'm serious about competitive play, I would use a more balanced army.

Several people have mentioned that it's a fun army, but that they would suggested a more balanced army to use in competative play.

So, does anyone have any links to a Coteaz henchmen-only balanced and competitive list?

If you still run that GK list i have a list that might... MIGHT be able to hold up against it, but dont take my word on it >.<

And if you move onto Eldar... I'll be very interested to see where you go with them.

I keep seeing psykers taken in units of 7, but doesn't that make the strength of the blast 9 since it's 3+1 per additional psyker beyond the first?

Seems like if you're going for it, may as well spring for strength 10.

I wrote up an article on henchmen. (see signature) I do not have any lists there yet, as often it takes a few months for people to start to figure out builds and such.


A more balanced build is one that does not rely entirely (or at least not this much) on Psykic shooting attacks.