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AFAIK Most shares are held by trust funds and the current board members, hence the nice fat greaming off the profits with the dividends

You will have trouble getting enough shares to establish any influence.

Well lets be honest, a lot of people will be in this boycott, not because they know about or support the boycott but simply because they can't afford GW's models and therefore wouldn't be buying anything anyway, I know I for one probably will be one

Someone really should correct the title: the event is a month-long boycott, was changed to be so almost immediately after creation.

Now, I agree that even a month of boycotting isn't going to make a huge difference. But at least it gets people into the right mindset (the "I'm a dissatisfied customer" one), which will hopefully promote further action by said dissatisfied customers, such as letter-wrting, petrol-bombing and quitting Games-Workshop products altogether, all of which are likely to have a more significant impact. So support the boycott, and vivre la revolution

If you propose a one day boycott, you are helping GW, because someone who wants to do something might be foolish enough to put his support behind your idea instead of one that might possibly work.

If you're going to boycott GW either do it silently or do it right. You must not buy GW products until they see the light, even if this means you never buy a GW product ever again.

I think I will boycott GW for all of June and July. Need to save up the money for my Necrons in August.

Dais wrote:How about this, If you hate the prices and are just too addicted to quit buying, pay in all pennies. (only at physical gw stores please, oher gaming stores don't deserve this)
extra credit for mailing gw online a big box of pennies to pay for your order.

Not legal in the UK i'm afraid
http://www.royalmint.com/Corporate/policies/legal_tender_guidelines.aspx

FalkorsRaiders wrote:I think I will boycott GW for all of June and July. Need to save up the money for my Necrons in August.

Grimtuff wrote:
Not legal in the UK i'm afraid
http://www.royalmint.com/Corporate/policies/legal_tender_guidelines.aspx

Guidelines are guidelines, and I can absolutely guarantee you that most GW shop staff have had no training on this, and will therefore not know they are able to refuse payments in such small denominations (As the royal mint themselves put it: "Both parties are free to agree to accept any form of payment whether legal tender or otherwise according to their wishes." - agreement through ignorance of the alternative is agreement nonetheless)

However, there's still an awful lot of scope within those guidelines for mischief. For example: Buying everything one transaction at a time. Want 5 paints? 5 transactions, each of which can be paid in 5ps. Want a paintbrush? that's another transaction, and another bunch of 5ps

As for the boycott, I haven't bought direct from GW in about 6 years. Everything I need I can get second-hand or through discount retailers, so I suppose in a way I'll be joining this, in the sense that I won't be altering my behavior to not boycott GW

krazynadechukr wrote:I think that anyone and everyone that has a beef or rant about GW, or qualms, or concerns, or issues with prices & getting started, or reservations about this hobby, SHOULD stay away from GW stores & the hobby, sell off your minis, and get a new hobby....

Sigh.....

For the umpteenth time, GW is NOT "the hobby" - they are one, pretty damn large, company within the wargaming hobby. No more, no less.

doctorludo wrote:With GW, you pay a premium for several things:

Convenience (their product range matches their rule sets)

There are several Tyranid, Space Wolf, Dark Eldar, etc players who would like to disagree with you.....

Grimtuff wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:I think I will boycott GW for all of June and July. Need to save up the money for my Necrons in August.

I think someone was trying to make a funny, Grim....

krazynadechukr wrote:I think that anyone and everyone that has a beef or rant about GW, or qualms, or concerns, or issues with prices & getting started, or reservations about this hobby, SHOULD stay away from GW stores & the hobby, sell off your minis, and get a new hobby....

That'll show GW!

& Give the rest of us gamers who enjoy the hobby a break!

And for that, I thank and support you!

Now get going TODAY!

This is the sort of arrogance that makes it easy for me to quit "the Hobby," and glad that none of my local game shops are official GW stores. GW never was or will be the only wargame company on the market. Sure, I'll sell off my GW models. I've still got my flames of war and Malifaux models to play with.

On-topic, a boycott of any definite length of time is pointless. Unless you can convince the entire fanbase to stop buying, it will not do anything.

Sigh.....

For the umpteenth time, GW is NOT "the hobby" - they are one, pretty damn large, company within the wargaming hobby. No more, no less.

What?

Sigh....

Okay, let me break it down better for you since you want to get sooooo technical buddy.......

For those in the miniature wargame hobby that participate in Games Workshop Warhammer 40k miniature game system, that are unhappy with the rules, prices, changes, etc... Go find another miniature game that is put out by another miniature wargame company that fits your budget and personal gaming needs that you are satisfied with....




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Guildsman wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:I think that anyone and everyone that has a beef or rant about GW, or qualms, or concerns, or issues with prices & getting started, or reservations about this hobby, SHOULD stay away from GW stores & the hobby, sell off your minis, and get a new hobby....

That'll show GW!

& Give the rest of us gamers who enjoy the hobby a break!

And for that, I thank and support you!

Now get going TODAY!

This is the sort of arrogance that makes it easy for me to quit "the Hobby," and glad that none of my local game shops are official GW stores. GW never was or will be the only wargame company on the market. Sure, I'll sell off my GW models. I've still got my flames of war and Malifaux models to play with.

On-topic, a boycott of any definite length of time is pointless. Unless you can convince the entire fanbase to stop buying, it will not do anything.

sarcasm....have you heard of it before?

Guildsman wrote:On-topic, a boycott of any definite length of time is pointless. Unless you can convince the entire fanbase to stop buying, it will not do anything.

That is obviously untrue. You don't need to reduce GW's revenue to 0 to make a boycott successful. You don't even need to reduce their revenue until it equals costs (i.e. zero profit). All you have to do is reduce their revenue enough that doing bad things is less profitable than not doing bad things.

You know what will work? Maybe, if everyone buys as many models now as they can, GW will lower prices. Why would this work? If we all buy now, we won't have the money later, leading to them decreasing the costs so their entire broke fan base can buy more stuff! who knows, we may get it to cost half the current prices in a month!!!

Business reports show that GW sells about 10% less products each year for several years, which is a massive boycott by customers. GW doesn't care, shareholders don't care.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Even if they got the message, they'd still be obligated to do what's good for their shareholders and not what a small percentage of whiny customers say.

See above: Sadly GW management is not oblgated to do what is good for the shareholders. They do everything to hurt the shareholders for years (except this year where they get a dividend), but shareholders are fine with being hurt for some unknown reason.

You haven't been following the GW thing very long have you Falkors.

GW never, repeat NEVER reduce prices.
Their reaction would be, "the suckersfans love us more when we hurt them, so let's hurt them more."

AlexHolker wrote:

Guildsman wrote:On-topic, a boycott of any definite length of time is pointless. Unless you can convince the entire fanbase to stop buying, it will not do anything.

That is obviously untrue. You don't need to reduce GW's revenue to 0 to make a boycott successful. You don't even need to reduce their revenue until it equals costs (i.e. zero profit). All you have to do is reduce their revenue enough that doing bad things is less profitable than not doing bad things.

Actually if GW themselves know of the intended length, they'll simply wait it out until the day has passed as then they can plan to compensate for the lost profits during this time. If they don't know when the boycott will end, they will be more likely able to see the pressure and lower their prices, as it all comes down to who cracks first, and if we don't crack before their shares go down the tubes, they'll have to cave. This is, of course, assuming a sizable amount of people actually participates. One or two isn't going to do much. In addition, buying from discount merchants has a similar effect as buying from GW, since they are still making a profit (albeit small) and their products are still getting out. They'll simply raise those prices to compensate for what they can't sell in the stores.

I'm personally boycotting all GW products for the time being, even second-hand products. As I still have a sizable amount of unbuilt models anyways, this should allow me about a year's worth of time to still do the hobby and consider whether or not it's worth continuing or should i jsut sell off my crap.

I have quit buying models, the last things I bought was a Daemon Prince in January, and a couple of pots of washes two months ago. Now my army is complete, I am done with buying from Gamesworkshop.

Also this vid is quite old (last years price increase), but still covers some valid points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz7M-tDLGyU

You have get the word out to the press. If you get big enough amount of people to protest, it might have some media attention and that way affect GW. I would think the public relations are the way to go. Sale decrease might have some effect too, but if you manage to get GW to make a public announcement or something, you have won. :-)

So, flood the media with letters saying what is going to happen.

(I am speaking in 2nd person ("you") because I just joined the forum and I have not been buying any new GW stuff for ages. I don't know if my eternal boycott will be counted in this temporary one, heh heh.)

One day boycott = fail.

Jani wrote:You have get the word out to the press. If you get big enough amount of people to protest, it might have some media attention and that way affect GW. I would think the public relations are the way to go. Sale decrease might have some effect too, but if you manage to get GW to make a public announcement or something, you have won. :-)

So, flood the media with letters saying what is going to happen.

(I am speaking in 2nd person ("you") because I just joined the forum and I have not been buying any new GW stuff for ages. I don't know if my eternal boycott will be counted in this temporary one, heh heh.)

That's what I was thinking

The boycott is useless, I'm afraid. You want prices to lower? Become a member of GW who is able to make these decisions. Any action other than this would probably end with failure. You could also wait for the world to end in October and/or 2012, as well as boycott and gather as much money as possible, and wait til the year 2042, and time travel to give your past self all the money.

Note: I know GW won't lower prices, I'm saying things intended to be jokes. Very sorry if people think I'm a half-wit.

Jani wrote:You have get the word out to the press. If you get big enough amount of people to protest, it might have some media attention and that way affect GW. I would think the public relations are the way to go. Sale decrease might have some effect too, but if you manage to get GW to make a public announcement or something, you have won. :-)

So, flood the media with letters saying what is going to happen.

(I am speaking in 2nd person ("you") because I just joined the forum and I have not been buying any new GW stuff for ages. I don't know if my eternal boycott will be counted in this temporary one, heh heh.)

If there was a like button here I would press it.

I don't care about this boycot thing, but I haven't bought anything for a month now and I will continue to not buy stuff till necrons or something else that catches my fancy comes out. I guess I'm supporting this thing without caring haha

This will work just as well as the Gas boycotts, and almost every other boycott...

You know what would be a relatively good idea? Buy as much shares of GW as you possibly can instead of buying their products. Eventually, if we're lucky, we can own a good portion of the stocks and ask GW to lower prices, or sell all of our stock at once. Any company that has a large amount of its stock suddenly sold ends up tanking. Now afraid, GW will lower costs. Everyone wins! GW makes both the stockholders happy as well as their customers, now that they are one and the same. Not happy with this option? Just keep the stock and make profit!!!

More impact would be picketing their shops! Signs about the expense, leaflets with comparisons to other games etc, that kind of stuff

But then lets face it, you'd get "moved along" pretty sharpish and need to do this for months on end before it had a huge impact.

Every day is a GW boycott day for me. I've packed up all my stuff and am going to give it to my friends. F that stupid company.

Pffff, not going to do this.
If I want something that looks nice, I'll buy it eventually.
But makes me enjoy the hobby more. Doing it slowly.
And ofcourse GW got more expensive over the years. Everything does.
But if you compare to other things (like going to the movies or whatever) its almost nothing.
Well, here in the Netherlands that is.

Don't know much about other country's really. Picked something up from Australia that its expensive there or something.
But here, its alright, just the minimal price increase.

I really do not think a one day boycott will effect anything, seeing that the fanboys and those who genuinely love Warhammer, Warhammer 40k or any other such game will continue to play. Those who leave, may very well be sucked into it again with some new release, such as the Dark Eldar.

I for one haven't bought anything from GW in a long time. It is getting to expensive for me with the progressive price hikes whether they are justified or not.

Add to the fact, that my video game hobby is as expensive, but in some ways more gratifying than the miniature gaming side. Plus there is the dilemma when I do have money to burn...Do I get 1 big GW kit, which I would still need x more of to complete Y army? Or do I get the hot new video game that I can just pop in a play? Or do I go get into a new system which is small scall and skimished based?

Lately I have gone for the last two. I do not have a huge miniature player base near by, with gas prices going quite high and the long commute it's just easier to sit in front my my TV and play some dragon age or other such game.

Or I could just get into a game such as Warmachine or Hordes or more recently Infinity and have just 10 models to buy and be done with it and expand as money permits.

Only will long term, many player based stoppage of purchasing will make GW pay attention and even then, I doubt that they will care. For every one who drops out and turns to another system, there will always be another to fill in their place.

It's rather sad really, but it's just frustrating when I open some of my old WD's I have from the mid 80's and look at how far the game has come since it's roots and how expensive it has become!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You haven't been following the GW thing very long have you Falkors.

GW never, repeat NEVER reduce prices.
Their reaction would be, "the suckersfans love us more when we hurt them, so let's hurt them more."

So true, love it. Price increases nothing new.

krazynadechukr wrote:

Sigh.....

For the umpteenth time, GW is NOT "the hobby" - they are one, pretty damn large, company within the wargaming hobby. No more, no less.

What?

Sigh....

Okay, let me break it down better for you since you want to get sooooo technical buddy.......

For those in the miniature wargame hobby that participate in Games Workshop Warhammer 40k miniature game system, that are unhappy with the rules, prices, changes, etc... Go find another miniature game that is put out by another miniature wargame company that fits your budget and personal gaming needs that you are satisfied with....




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Guildsman wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:I think that anyone and everyone that has a beef or rant about GW, or qualms, or concerns, or issues with prices & getting started, or reservations about this hobby, SHOULD stay away from GW stores & the hobby, sell off your minis, and get a new hobby....

That'll show GW!

& Give the rest of us gamers who enjoy the hobby a break!

And for that, I thank and support you!

Now get going TODAY!

This is the sort of arrogance that makes it easy for me to quit "the Hobby," and glad that none of my local game shops are official GW stores. GW never was or will be the only wargame company on the market. Sure, I'll sell off my GW models. I've still got my flames of war and Malifaux models to play with.

On-topic, a boycott of any definite length of time is pointless. Unless you can convince the entire fanbase to stop buying, it will not do anything.

sarcasm....have you heard of it before?

Your point about "the hobby" was easily understood. Dudes just getting on his box thinking everyone thinks GW "is" the hobby.

They never work.