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Shigematsu wrote:The only way I can see any change is if they're destroyed on the inside, i.e. Lorraine Williams mismanagement of TSR.
You are on to something. We'll have to start prepping up somebody with required talents, skills and experience to replace Mark Wells or Tom Kirby. In the next ten years or so, when one of them will be leaving the post, we'll slip our guy in. THEN we can make a difference.
Probably we should get several guys ready, if both of them are leaving in the next decade or two.
I think its a good idea, how ever i think this should be aimed not at a date but at a release in particular, say WH40k 6th edition coming late this/next year. Boycott the preorder and release, and you will get your message across loud and clear.
I'm going to utter a scornful "Ha ha!" from the sidelines. You want to save something? Save yourselves instead of trying to somehow make water run uphill and make the boogiemen at Nottingham to mend their ways.
Stop playing. Stop buying. Walk away. Three simple steps.
Joshawa wrote:Not pumping gas for a day always works with the oil companies. It's not too far fetched that a tiny group of gamers boycotting GW product for an entire day will cause sweeping changes to the way GW deals with pricing.
Good lord! This sarcasm detector is off the scale!
Let me see you through,
'cause I've seen the dark side too,
When the night falls on you,
You don't know what to do,
Nothing you confess,
Could make me love you less.
I'll stand by you,
I'll stand by you,
Won't let nobody hurt you,
I'll stand by you!!
krazynadechukr wrote:The ONLY effective way to send a message to GW is to stop playing & stop buying.
Stop buying, yes. If you enjoy playing the games, there's no reason not to keep playing the games - just don't play them in a GW store (if it is even possible to these days).
krazynadechukr wrote:Get away from the warhammer hobby altogether.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Cottonjaw wrote: Jesus. You all love GW. You all play their games. You all snort plasticrack erryday.
Just as a point of order here: Hating GW=/=Hating 40k.
Personally, I will continue to play with everything I currently own but not give Mark Wells a single penny of my hard-earned cash, my personal Boycott began about this time last week.
Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Kronk - throwing the troll thought around, useful.
I assume you think ths US is "boned" by the price of MS Windows? What about cars?
Sorry, regional pricing is not only legal, but makes sense from a business perspective. And when GW werent acting as a business, they were heading down the tubes.
I also side "a" hobby, not "the" hobby. Sigh.
Back to your fantasies of actually making a blind bit of difference, people. One month, during the holiday seasson when regulars are not exactly a priority, will make no difference.
shinzuer wrote:If there was an actual large scale boycott and they suffered, they would just inflate their prices a large amount to make up for it and rabid fanboys and tournament whores would still pay it and they would get thieir profits back. It's not about the shareholders it's about the top dogs making top dollar.
This is it exactly. You have rabid fanboys defending GW RIGHT NOW over price increases coupled with quality declines, and calling people taking issue with it "whiners." As long as a portion of the player base are willing to play the part of the abused spouse, GW will just keep on gouging them while the sane people keep dropping out of the company entirely.
Making stuff up is not a good way to make an argument.
Not defending price rises, however hyperbole such as "abused spouse" shows a lack of acceptance: GW is a hobby (not "THE" hobby, just "A" hobby, for all those failing to understand the difference) and you are free to leave it at any time.
Questioning peoples sanity for simply enjoying a game? More crap hyperbole.
Xelkireth wrote:I'm good. I think trying to boycott is a ridiculous idea. If you're that riled up about it, just quit. I'll be posting what I've bought too. Might as well put my money where my mouth is.
What's ridiculous about it?
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Sorry, what quality declines?
Making stuff up is not a good way to make an argument.
Have you not seen the actual examples of Finecast on the internet? Not the company ones, the ones people have actually bought that are pockmarked all over, warped, and will melt in a hot car?
Not defending price rises, however hyperbole such as "abused spouse" shows a lack of acceptance: GW is a hobby (not "THE" hobby, just "A" hobby, for all those failing to understand the difference) and you are free to leave it at any time.
If by "leaving it" you mean, "never purchasing another GW product again", I am leaving it. I am also encouraging others to leave it. That is also my right. Why does that bother you GW sycophants so much? Seriously, if it were no skin off any of your teeth, why do you people consistently jump in these threads, mock the people participating, and go so far as to make comments about buying things because others boycott? Do you all have GW stock or something?
Questioning peoples sanity for simply enjoying a game? More crap hyperbole.
Nope. Questioning their sanity for letting a company show utter contempt for them and not only not standing up against it, but actively encouraging it.
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Panic wrote:Yeah,
We all hate a price rise but this is stupid.
to to mention the fact that most people don't buy something every month!
Also it's not news or a rumour, just a pathetic cry for attention...
This kinda crap makes dakka look stupid.
Those on the outside looking in are laughing their asses off F.F.S.
I vote it gets moved to OT and/or locked...
Panic...
I agree, please hide all these threads so we can get back to threads abotu female space marines, Tau and their lameness, and talking like Orks. I only want shallow discussion on Dakka.
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DaNewBoy wrote:How about all GW players create an investment group, pool together their money, buy some shares, then we all go to the shareholders meeting and throw a fit until we are treated like customers and not money cattle?
EDIT: Spelling
In theory, this might not be such a bad idea: if everyone pitched in 5 bucks from the community (not walletbreaking; price equivalents for people not in the US) and we got a couple shares of stock (how much is it currently per share, whoever follows this?), we could have people go to shareholder meetings and make our concerns known. Someone eloquent could also draw up a (don't shoot me) declaration of independence against GW and list our complaints and have everyone involved sign it. This would take place at their shareholder meeting, with hard evidence that their "fans" are openly rebelling against them. If we own a portion (albeit a small one) of the company, they can't throw us out for making our complaints and feelings known. The key though, is to approach this topic as adults-not petulant children.
Sorry to steal your thunder NewBoy
No that's cool. Actually, I was thinking of buying out a significant portion (not with my meager income buy with the "F Gamesworkshop Investment Group") and then threatening to liquidate if our demands are not met/taken seriously. Basically, you have to get them at the wallet. Customers are not scarey because where one falls, another will bloom. Investors are another animal.
This is actually a really good idea. I'm glad I read through this thread long enough to see it. I wonder if it would be possible to set up a holding and buy up the stock, and then use the dividends to cover operational costs.
Market cap appears to be 134.2m GBP. Assuming I understand market capitalization properly, then at a going rate of 430/share, that means that they have about 312,000 shares. I wonder how many you would have to acquire to have a meaningfully loud enough voice in the company.
To get even 1% share control would cost 1.34m GBP, which is a lotta cash. However, revenue for 2010 was 126.5m GBP, which to me means that if we could persuade GW buyers for the next year to donate a percentage of what they'd normally spend on GW; that is, not even going cold turkey, just buying a little less, then we could get almost as much in their stock.
This is of course, all subject to market flux and other things I don't fully understand. Undoubtedly, as our cause became more public, share prices would rocket.
Now for my gaze at the big picture. Outside of our little hobby, in the "real world", corporations effectively control how things are done now, but corporations still have to answer to the shareholder. I kind of wonder how hard it would be to regain control of government by means of buying significant portions of corporations and then lean on them to do the 'right' thing. I'm kind of picturing some sort of online venue similar to those stupid petition sites, except you state your intentions and take donations toward effecting the change desired. It's kind of the purest democratic capitalist society I can think of.
Monster Rain wrote:I bet that once you owned a significant amount of stock, you'd quickly be on board with whatever GW did to raise profits.
It's the nature of the beast.
That's kind of what I'm hoping will be avoided by putting this into a holdings. I'm thinking something like a NFP where everyone who contributes is part of it. Since the holdings itself is not publicly owned (well, for some definitions of "not publicly"), it's not like it can get hijacked by people who are only interested in greed. It's simply just there "for the good of the hobby," and since you lack a method to cash out your chips at the end of the day when the stock's up, there's no reason for you to ever want to make a decision that was "bad for the hobby" like the constant price hikes. In essense, over enough time of doing this, you're basically just buying back GW for themselves.
Of course, then there's worry that perhaps the price hikes are actually not that "bad for the hobby" in spite of what angry neckbeards think, but that's a different argument.
daedalus wrote:Of course, then there's worry that perhaps the price hikes are actually not that "bad for the hobby" in spite of what angry neckbeards think, but that's a different argument.
This is precisely why I don't get worked up about this stuff.
I don't know enough about it, and frankly, I don't care. If I want something from GW I'll pony up the cash and buy it because I recognize that it isn't something that's mandatory for me to own. They're charging what they think the market will bear and time will tell if they were correct or not, regardless of a one day "boycott" from 17 people.
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Haters gon' hate.
libstermiles wrote:We decided to do it for one day, then tell Games Workshop we'd redo it for a couple of weeks, because of course, like you said that one day wouldn't make too much of an impact, but if we tell Games Workshop the numbers, it may create an impact, hopefully.
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Basically don't go into Games Workshop and buy anything, for one day, then if enough people have decided to join this capmpaign then we were going to increase it to a few weeks, to create a much larger impact.
Oh dear, I think a bit of wee just came out!
Seriously, boycotts affect nothing. The price rises will go on, and if you can't afford it, well, sucks for you. Me, as long as I continue to enjoy the games and the community, I'll persevere. Would I like cheaper prices, of course. But am I going to see them? Nope, not really. Sorry to be a downer, but seriously, not going to change anything.
libstermiles wrote:We decided to do it for one day, then tell Games Workshop we'd redo it for a couple of weeks, because of course, like you said that one day wouldn't make too much of an impact, but if we tell Games Workshop the numbers, it may create an impact, hopefully.
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Basically don't go into Games Workshop and buy anything, for one day, then if enough people have decided to join this capmpaign then we were going to increase it to a few weeks, to create a much larger impact.
Oh dear, I think a bit of wee just came out!
Seriously, boycotts affect nothing. The price rises will go on, and if you can't afford it, well, sucks for you. Me, as long as I continue to enjoy the games and the community, I'll persevere. Would I like cheaper prices, of course. But am I going to see them? Nope, not really. Sorry to be a downer, but seriously, not going to change anything.
True boycotts actually have a huge impact. Problem is, no one does true boycotts anymore, they do it for a week or two and then go right back.
Me, I spend all month long, model here, novel there.
Though tomorrow, having finally obtained my inheritance, I'm ordering a shopping list that will leave my wallet feeling nothing less than violated. By a gang of heffalumps.
And this is what you're up against. I used to work for GW last year (sodding redundancy!) and it use to make me laugh when you'd read about 4 or 5 people 'leaving the hobby' online. Why so amusing? Because I could flog that number of starter sets on a half decent Saturday. Trick at the moment is the retention of early games. Which is what the training is all about these days. But I'm disgressing.
Sorry folks, but this boycott, like the other before it, won't change owt.
THEIR IS ONLY THE EMPEROR 